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I think you looked at it from the wrong perspective. What I got from this is that if you use HDMI for video and analog 7.1 for audio, turning off analog video circuitary may potentially benefit analog audio quality.


If you also use HDMI for audio, the interference from analog video circuity will not have much impact on digital audio at all. That's why it is not available on BD60.

Ah, thanks Foxbat! What you say makes a lot of sense. I had wondered how current in the analog video circuitry could affect the digital audio output ("it's all just 0's and 1's"), and your explanation points out that it really wasn't referring to this.


So this simplifies my choice, to just focus on the BD60.
 

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The Panasonic players will not force 24fps. This option will only be available to select in the player menu if the display/projector advertises its capability via EDID.


Ah that sucks, I know my receiver can pass 24p no problems because my other devices do it, the Panny just will not though for what ever rerason.
 

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If your receiver is an Onkyo, it is a known issue (for Onkyo) and there is a way to work around it by turning off OSD from receiver IIRC.
 

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Boylan13,


I remember an issue involving Panasonic's BD35/55 players and Onkyo receivers. I believe it was something related with 7.1 LPCM soundtrack if I recall correctly. I remember you telling us that Panasonic was working with Onkyo on this issue. Do you know if anything happen?

Yeah, Panasonic told me Onkyo had a fix for it and that they (Onkyo) would contact me about it directly. That was 5 months ago.



The issue was that the BD35/BD55 would output 7.1-ch PCM soundtracks as 7.1-channel PCM (correct behavior), but the Onkyo xx5 series receivers (and their Integra counterparts) would omit the rear speaker information (the rear two channels of the 7.1-ch mix would be silent). Panasonic determined that they were sending a valid PCM bitstream but the Onkyo receivers were not decoding it properly. It only affected actual native PCM 7.1 soundtracks (like "3:10 to Yuma") and I think it was fixed in Onkyo's xx6 model line (e.g., works fine in the 606, 706, etc.). Also, there was a work-around - if you turned off 24p output (in the player), the rear speaker sounds magically re-appeared!


I didn't test this with the BD80 to see if it still occurs (I expect it does), because I no longer have the 605 receiver in my review system. I have no idea whether Onkyo has made any kind of fix available for owners who want to ship their receivers in for an update. The Onkyo site seems to still only be mentioning that early firmware upgrade for the 605 to support DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD decoding (old news!).


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I spent some time this afternoon setting up the analog and while I need to tweak it some more I can say I'm pleased with the results. There doesn't seem to be much of a difference in quality but the analog is better than the core DD/DTS. I notice a bit better separation and an overall cleaner sound.

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Even without a specific SW boost in your AVR, you may be able to set up your receiver to work for both analog and digital without needing to change the sub volume when switching back and forth. After increasing the sub volume to provide the boost for analog, try re-calibrating the digital side. That will likely mean lowering the digital sub output by the same amount you increased it at the sub.

I didn't think of that and I'll give it a go. Thanks.
 

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I've had the opportunity to run the BD80 through its paces lately including a number of recent blu-ray titles and everything has been spot-on perfect. Recently released discs included "Slumdog Millionaire" and "The Day the Earth Stood Still." Flawless performance. I'm particularly pleased with this player's sound and color rendering, too. I could swear that reds, in particular, are more vivid when compared to the BD30 and my Tosh XA2. I'm sure it's all in my mind, however. Probably an example of post-purchase justification!
Still, this is a very good BD player, I think.


In all, a good Profile 2.0 upgrade from the BD30. And I was very happy with the 30!


BTW, I'm using a firmware-updated Yamaha 1800 (w/Sony sub and a combination of Michael Green and Yamaha speakers) and a Sony KDS55A2020. Everything via HDMI to the Receiver and on to the TV.
 

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I've had the opportunity to run the BD80 through its paces lately including a number of recent blu-ray titles and everything has been spot-on perfect. Recently released discs included "Slumdog Millionaire" and "The Day the Earth Stood Still." Flawless performance. I'm particularly pleased with this player's sound and color rendering, too. I could swear that reds, in particular, are more vivid when compared to the BD30 and my Tosh XA2. I'm sure it's all in my mind, however. Probably an example of post-purchase justification!
Still, this is a very good BD player, I think.


In all, a good Profile 2.0 upgrade from the BD30. And I was very happy with the 30!


BTW, I'm using a firmware-updated Yamaha 1800 (w/Sony sub and a combination of Michael Green and Yamaha speakers) and a Sony KDS55A2020. Everything via HDMI to the Receiver and on to the TV.

Very nice! Any comments yet on pq of unconverted dvd?


PS Question: if you connect everything via HDMI, can you say why you got the 80 rather than the 60?
 

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I am nearly done with "my take" on the BD60. Will post it shortly...

Super! Will be particularly interested in any comparative comments re the Oppo 83 you have played with, if you are so inclined. (BTW, your help last year with the Onkyo 805 was life-saving for me; not sure I've ever really thanked you sufficiently!)
 

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When you are looking at Picture Quality and Color and compare to other brands, do you have the Panasonic in Standard mode (the default) or Cinema?


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Originally Posted by carledwards /forum/post/16273689


I've had the opportunity to run the BD80 through its paces lately including a number of recent blu-ray titles and everything has been spot-on perfect. Recently released discs included "Slumdog Millionaire" and "The Day the Earth Stood Still." Flawless performance. I'm particularly pleased with this player's sound and color rendering, too. I could swear that reds, in particular, are more vivid when compared to the BD30 and my Tosh XA2. I'm sure it's all in my mind, however. Probably an example of post-purchase justification!
Still, this is a very good BD player, I think.


In all, a good Profile 2.0 upgrade from the BD30. And I was very happy with the 30!


BTW, I'm using a firmware-updated Yamaha 1800 (w/Sony sub and a combination of Michael Green and Yamaha speakers) and a Sony KDS55A2020. Everything via HDMI to the Receiver and on to the TV.
 

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You should at least contact Panasonic to report the problem first. Is there a specific Blu-ray title that you can reproduce the problem with? If you let me know specific titles and chapter or time marks into the movie where the problem is most obvious after turning the player on and off I can try to test this myself on our BD80 (assuming I have the title) to see if I see/hear anything similar. If not, then you may just have a bad unit that needs to be replaced (most likely scenario).


-CB

I got a replacement 80 unit and set it up today.

First had a extremely difficult time getting it to connect to my network.

Had to manually enter all the info, as the auto configuration would not work at all.

Was finally able to connect, and successfully updated my firmware to the latest version.

Configured all the audio and video settings and put in my first test blu-ray movie, "Hellboy 2".

The movie play backed full 7.1 DTS-HD MSTR audio with an extremely aggressive soundtrack.

I was feeling pretty jazzed until I turned the unit off and powered it back on again.

Same frackin problem!!

The back surrounds were outputting stereo again, and I was not getting any test tones from my back surrounds using the speaker setup menu.

ARRGGG!

I was really feeling like throwing in the towel at this point.

I spent I don't know how much time on the phone to Panasonic support, as they said they turned the problem over to there engineers.

This didn't give me much hope as most of the time this gets canned, unless there are multiple cases of the same problem.

I decided to give it one last try, and completely reset the player.

(press power+pause+open, all at the same time on the front panel)

Reset the audio and video, but this time did some changes and removed some features.

Network cable disconnected, memory card removed and quick start disabled.

Previous setting remained the same: HDMI audio off, DTS-HD MSTR & Dolby True-HD output set to PCM, secondary audio off, 7.1 audio selected.

Played "Hellboy 2" again, powered the player off and tried it again.


This time it worked!!!


Have played "The Spirit", "Celine Dion", & "Spiderman 3", blu-rays successfully without having to reset the 7.1 audio again.

Right now I don't know which of these changes solved the problem, as it would require a process of elimination.

Since I like to tweak settings, I will eventually try to figure it out.

For now, I am HAPPY the audio is outputting correctly.


For people sitting on the fence between the Panasonic 80 and the Sony 550, the audio on the Panasonic, using the 7.1 analog connection, produces a MUCH MORE DYNAMIC POWERFUL SOUND field than the Sony 550 at the same settings and volume.

Picture on the Panasonic IMO, has slightly more pop than the Sony, but may not be a concernable difference to most people.


BOTTOM LINE : Overall best performance in picture and audio quality, having tested both of these units side by side, goes to the PANASONIC 80.
 

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Originally Posted by JJHXBR /forum/post/16275840


I got a replacement 80 unit and set it up today.

First had a extremely difficult time getting it to connect to my network.

Had to manually enter all the info, as the auto configuration would not work at all.

Was finally able to connect, and successfully updated my firmware to the latest version.

Configured all the audio and video settings and put in my first test blu-ray movie, Hellboy 2.

The movie play backed full 7.1 DTS-HD MSTR audio with an extremely dynamic powerful sound field.

I was feeling pretty jazzed until I turned the unit off and powered it back on again.

Same frackin problem!!

The back surrounds were outputting stereo again, and I was not getting any test tones from my back surrounds using the speaker setup menu.

ARRGGG!

I was really feeling like throwing in the towel at this point.

I spent I don't know how much time on the phone to Panasonic support, as they said they turned the problem over to there engineers.

This didn't give me much hope as most of the time this gets canned, unless there are multiple cases of the same problem.

I decided to give it one last try, and completely reset the player.

(press power+pause+open, all at the same time on the front panel)

Reset the audio and video, but this time did some changes and removed some features.

Network cable disconnected, memory card removed and quick start disabled.

Previous setting remained the same: HDMI audio off, DTS-HD MSTR & Dolby True-HD output set to PCM, secondary audio off, 7.1 audio selected.

Played "Hellboy 2" again, powered the player off and tried it again.


This time it worked!!!


Have played "The Spirit", Celine Dion, & Spiderman 3, blu-rays successfully without having to reset the 7.1 audio again.

Right now I don't know which of these changes solved the problem, as it would require a process of elimination.

Since I like to tweak settings, I will eventually try to figure it out.

For now, I am HAPPY the audio is outputting correctly.


For people sitting on the fence between the Panasonic 80 and the Sony 550, the audio on the Panasonic, using the 7.1 analog connection, produces a much more dynamic powerful sound field than the Sony 550 at the same settings and volume.

Picture on the Panasonic IMO, has slightly more pop than the Sony, but may not be a concernable difference to most people.


BOTTOM LINE : Overall best performance in picture and audio quality having tested both of these units side by side, goes to the PANASONIC 80.

Glad you were able to get it working but weird that you had to reset the player.


I have one or two of those titles. I'll try a couple and see if I can get it to fail. The behavior sounds like it is setting itself back from 7.1-ch to the default 2+5.1-ch analog outputs but with HDMI audio off and BD-Secondary Audio off, there's really no explanation for that behavior.


Quick Start is a new feature on the BD80 so if I were a betting man, I'd bet it's related to that. Try plugging the SD card and network cable back in and see if it still works. If I can remain conscious for a few more hours, I'll try some additional tests tonight.


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My Take.. My very first official Blu ray player was the Panny BD10. Since then I can honestly say I have had nearly every single Panasonic Blu ray player released. As other brands they seem to get smaller and smaller. I have tested the BD60 on a 1080p plasma, 720p LCD and in my theater with a RS20. All displays are shown in the pics below. So how does it do?


Picture Q wise... I will say the BD60 can get the job done and then some with any display. I was actually more impressed with how well it did with our 720p display (second pic) in our spare bedroom. When you hit the display button you have many different picture settings. Just like before with all the previously release Panny models. There is Cinema, Fine, Soft and Normal. Plus there is a User mode which allows you to adjust Contrast, Brightness, Sharpness, Color, Gamma, 3D NR and Integrated NR. If you spend the right amount of time tweaking you can really get great results on any display. I spent a lot of time using the User (after tweaking) and also going back and forth between Normal and Cinema. Everyone's results will vary depending on their display and their tastes.


So how does it stack up against the others? I will come right out and say the Panasonic DMP-BD60 is easily the current King for the $299 and under crowd. If you are still contemplating going or at the very least just trying Blu then there has never been a better player in this price range. It is very easy to use, loads at a decent speed and has a bunch of different (viera cast, youtube) features. I was able to connect it to the internet using my Linksys Wireless Ethernet Adapter in seconds. Also if you are a SD card user then you are covered!


Back to comparing... I put it against the SonyS350, Samsung 1500, PS3 and of course the Oppo. At 1080p/24 they were all to close to call. Depending on your display you might get a slightly better visual experience setting the Oppo to output 36 bit upconverted color. Of course that is splitting hairs. Still though, considering it will cost about twice as much, the BD60 is one heck of a deal! The BD60 did put out a better overall image than the others I listed which is why I put it at the top in this price range.


As for SD dvds... I am pleased to report the BD60 does an adequate job. I would say if you are not using a huge display then you should be fine. Especially using some of the nice picture adjustments it has. It does an accurate image which looks pretty sharp.


The remote... As reported here already there is not a subtitle button. I guess if you are not watching a lot of region free discs then this probably won't matter. Other than that it has a very nice lay out. Buttons are easy to find in the dark. It was also very nice to use in conjunction with the panny plasma and panny LCD.


One other side note... I have always like the Panasonic Start Up screen the best. I think it represents the Blu ray logo perfectly. Not to mention the nice shade of blue as well...


So how does it do such an excellent job at just $299 msrp? I think it is the 4:4:4 PHL Reference Chroma Processor Plus and their P4HD (Pixel Precision Progressive Processing for HD) which processes more than 15 billion pixels per second! Say that 5 times fast! Whatever it is the BD60 can hold its own with any player under $500 and I would even say with most above as well. And in case you are wondering why I haven't mentioned sound... I Bitstreamed (with excellent results) as well as sent the HDMI audio straight into my Plasma and LCD.


In conclusion... Again if you are still on the fence there has never been a more affordable, feature friendly introductory unit for you, than the BD60. It puts out an excellent image which has terrific color and nice sharp edges. If this player does not intrigue you enough to try Blu then no others will... Get one!



 

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It's definitely a case of it resetting it's self back to the default 2+5.1-ch analog outputs.

Why is the big question.

This was happening every time I would power the unit off and then back on.

As soon as the unit was powered back on, there was NO 7.1 surround back output, only stereo.

It sounded like the left & right front speakers where also coming from the back surrounds.

Even though it still was on the 7.1 setting, you could then run a speaker test tone and would only get tones from L front, center, R front, R surround, & L surround.

No tones from either surround back speakers (L&R)

What setting was causing this, I will have to find out.

Thanks boylan13 for your reply's and offer to help.
 

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Very nice! Any comments yet on pq of unconverted dvd?


PS Question: if you connect everything via HDMI, can you say why you got the 80 rather than the 60?

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, upconversion of SD DVDs is on a par with the best I've seen (i.e. Oppo 983 and Tosh XA2).


I bought the 80 over the 60 primarily because of the audio upgrade and more substantial feet for isolation of the player.
 

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When you are looking at Picture Quality and Color and compare to other brands, do you have the Panasonic in Standard mode (the default) or Cinema?

Standard/default mode.
 

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As I mentioned earlier in this thread, upconversion of SD DVDs is on a par with the best I've seen (i.e. Oppo 983 and Tosh XA2).


I bought the 80 over the 60 primarily because of the audio upgrade and more substantial feet for isolation of the player.

So you rate the dvd upconversion of the Panny's on a par with the Oppo 983? This is the first report I've heard rating it this highly; most say that it's a cut below. I hope you're right!


Re the 'audio upgrade' of the 80 over the 60, I presume this means your using analog audio, right? They would presumably be the same via HDMI.
 

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To those that have the BD60 and a PS3...I was currently using a PS3 as my main blu-ray player....so I ask, would there be a considerable improvement in picture quality for my Sharp DT510 720P projector or my Samsung A650? The reason I ask is that my POS PS3 lens crapped out in only 18 months of once a week use and I am looking at the BD60 as my new player.


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It's definitely a case of it resetting it's self back to the default 2+5.1-ch analog outputs.

Why is the big question.

This was happening every time I would power the unit off and then back on.

As soon as the unit was powered back on, there was NO 7.1 surround back output, only stereo.

It sounded like the left & right front speakers where also coming from the back surrounds.

Even though it still was on the 7.1 setting, you could then run a speaker test tone and would only get tones from L front, center, R front, R surround, & L surround.

No tones from either surround back speakers (L&R)

What setting was causing this, I will have to find out.

Thanks boylan13 for your reply's and offer to help.

Well the good news is you're not crazy. Well, at least not about this specific point.
I reproduced your problem in about 5 minutes once I know what to look/listen for and it is specific to Quick Start mode.


If you are using the Quick Start Mode (which, of course, is not the default, but it makes initial start-up a whole lot quicker), and you are using the full 7.1 channel *ANALOG* outputs, and you have set everything correctly (BD-Secondary audio Off, and 7.1-ch selected in the analog audio menu), then the 7.1-channel output reverts to 2-ch+5.1-ch output after a power cycle, but the menu still shows 7.1 selected as the analog audio output.


The workaround is to turn Quick Start mode OFF and then the player maintains its 7.1-ch output as expected.


It was easy to hear with Celine Dion because it's a 5.1-ch Dolby TrueHD soundtrack. When it's working properly you should get *nothing* out of the rear channel speakers. When it's not working properly you hear Celine singing out of the rear speakers (and pretty much everything else, too since the rear channels effectively become a 2-ch mixed down version of the full 5.1 mix).


I will shoot an e-mail to my Panasonic contact. Hopefully it's something they can fix in the firmware.


BTW, you can safely plug your network cable and SD card back in.



-CB
 
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