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Since the VT20's are hitting stores, let's get an official thread started!!! Post your pics and experiences with 3D boys and girls!!!
 

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happy nightmares, hopefully you post any new pictures or thoughts of your vt20 in this thread since the last one went off track.


Thanks nicholc2.
 

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Might need to change the title to say (No MLL increase or Kuro talk).


Any guesses to what the surprise he mentioned was. Jimmy, too bad we have to wait until June/July for the 58" and 65".
 

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Do not use these pics to judge picture quality. I was only trying to show the TV frame and trim's silver color, but these shots did not come out very well. I will try again tonight with different lighting. So far this thing has looked great with every source I tried. I'm very pleased. AND there's a significant surprise I will comment on with my next post.

Thanks for starting the owners thread Nicholc2. That other topic has gotten off track. I'm moving my original post here, and will be back soon with an update. Am I the first VT20 owner here? That's cool. Do I win a special prize or anything?
 

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My inital impressions are VERY good. Plus, I'm keeping picture levels down low for break-in, so the picture should be even better once I can make some decent adjustments. Assuming this goes like my past Plasmas after break-in for 100-200 hours, what I'm seeing now is only the tip of the iceberg.



I should also mention we have a new Samsung 8500 LED local dimming set (CNET calls it the "King of LCD") that we've been watching now for about 2 weeks, so the VT20 is up against some stiff competition for picture quality in our house. We also have a Mitsubishi 837 series DLP, 2008 and 2009 Panny plasmas, and a couple other assorted TVs. Our house has a TV in every room, lol.


I will be back soon....
 

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Thanks for starting the owners thread Nicholc2. That other topic has gotten off track. I'm moving my original post here, and will be back soon with an update. Am I the first VT20 owner here? That's cool. Do I win a special prize or anything?

You win the "I've got it first!!!" prize and get to show it off to the rest of us envious people!!!
 

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THX Mode: Looks great, and no more feeling of being "too dim" like some (myself included) complained about the previous models. The THX mode feels like it's putting out plenty of light, and the contrast is only set to 60 and fully adjustable to 100, so you can increase further if you like.


Gaming Lag: Wow, this TV is fast. After 2 weeks of using the incredibly sexy Samsung 8500, I had convinced myself that it's "game" mode eliminated most of it's processing lag, and it certainly did improve things quite a bit, however playing on the VT20 plasma made me realize how sluggish the 8500 still was. There is no comparison... playing the same games on the VT20 feels like both my PS3 system and Internet connection had been given a boost. It's impossible to ignore. And it doesn't matter what mode I use on the Panny plasma. Games played in THX mode are faster than using the "game" mode on the Sammy 8500. This is not meant to be an insult to the 8500. It's an awesome TV.


Cooling and Ventilaton: There are 3 fans along the top section of the back panel. One in the middle and one at each end.


Sound: There are 3 speakers; two downward firing full-range speakers, one at each bottom end/corner of the frame, and a bass speaker on the back panel that fires out directly at the wall behind the TV. I have not had a chance to really listen to these speakers much, because as usual I hooked up the TV to my stereo immediately, but I will give them a nice workoput tonight and report back for those who are interested in the information.


Frame and Trim: The silver frame and trim is really nice looking. When unpacking it, don't be fooled by the reflective nature it has with the protective stickers on it. Once that film is removed there is no issue with reflections. In fact, it has an almost matte-like finish, and there are less reflections than with most glossy black frames. It's a classy look in my opinion, and a refreshing change from the standard glossy black.
 

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That's awesome! That's a great first impression! Are you going to have this puppy calibrated when it's broken in?
 

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Are you going to have this puppy calibrated when it's broken in?

Maybe if you come to town.


nicholc2, you have been one of the most helpful people on this forum since I've been a member here. I've learned a lot from you, about all kinds of different stuff. Especially on the DLP side of calibration, but also with the other technolgies too. I want to thank you for that.
 

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What about significant surprise?

Line Bleeding: It's virtually gone from what I can tell. Woohoo!


This is the first plasma television from any manufacturer I've seen in the past 2 years that did not show significant (horizontal) line bleeding. Even the Pioneer Kuro sets suffered from it, and I'm one of a few people here at the forum who returned one for that reason. The picture quality was top class, but the line bleeding was just as bad as Panasonic or Samsung, or anybody else.


That's IF you are susceptible to seeing it, and most people are not. For most people, it's not a problem and they never notice. In that regard, I suppose it's like seeing rainbows on DLP sets. Some people are bothered by it, and some don't ever see them.


Anyway... I had given up on Plasma, because in 2009 we purchased multiple sets from Panasonic, Samsung and Pioneer, and they all exhibited the issue significantly. Before that, we were huge plasma fans. Since last year, I have purchased everything from DLP to LCD and LED-LCD, because the line bleeding on plasma bothered me that much.


I realize this is not big news to most people, since most people were never bothered by it to begin with, but in my opinion it's BIG news for plasma. I've been puzzled by this issue for a long time and spent many hours researching it, because it frustrated me. I have gathered so much information that I have considered starting a website about it. Or at least a support group for those bothered by it, like me. Ha!


But now, it appears that I (and others bothered by line bleeding) can return to plasma technology.


I cannot say there is absolute 0 line bleeding, but I have not seen any obvious signs yet, and that's amazing.


Anyway, I don't want this thread to become about line bleeding, and I'm not sure what Panasonic has done differently with these 2010 models but whatever they did... it's FANTASTIC news as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Would the surprise be two pairs of glasses or the 3d bluray player thrown in?

I wish.


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happy nightmares,


When you get a chance could you please comment further on the comparison of the VT's PQ vs the Samsung B8500?

Yes sir I will.



I have to be honest though, I'm keeping the levels very low during break-in so I'm not sure this will be a fair comparison. I would feel more confident doing it after break-in so I can turn up the contrast etc.
 

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Maybe if you come to town.


nicholc2, you have been one of the most helpful people on this forum since I've been a member here. I've learned a lot from you, about all kinds of different stuff. Especially on the DLP side of calibration, but also with the other technolgies too. I want to thank you for that.

Wow! Thanks man! That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me on here and it's much appreciated!


Of course I now need you to purchase the PN50C8000 so you can do a direct comparison between the two.
(Nobody shoot me! I know this is the Panny thread.)
 

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Line Bleeding: It's virtually gone from what I can tell. Woohoo!

I noticed the S2 I looked at in Sears the other day had much less noticeable line bleed than the S1, at least on the couple test images I tried. It was not non-existent--just significantly improved. BTW, when I put up the same green movie preview image on my 500M I see none--I could still see slight traces on the S2.

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This is the first plasma television from any manufacturer I've seen in the past 2 years that did not show significant (horizontal) line bleeding. Even the Pioneer Kuro sets suffered from it, and I'm one of a few people here at the forum who returned one for that reason.

Which Kuro did you have? My 500M shows only a very mild hint of it if you are looking for it--orders of magnitude better than '09 Panny/Sammy PDP's.

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The picture quality was top class, but the line bleeding was just as bad as Panasonic or Samsung, or anybody else.

I have an extremely hard time believing this. I suppose it depends on which Kuro you had, since I can't claim they are all identical. Other Kuro owners or D-Nice would know better. I can only speak for my 500M, and the difference in line-bleed from my 500M to the plasmas from Sammy/Panny was not even close. Not in the same league. And if you ever saw the line bleed on the last generation of Hitachis, you would not say they were all the same. The Hitachis were just horrible in this regard.


The reason I am skeptical of your claim is because on both the 2007 and 2008 Kuro demo discs they have content that is specifically designed to reveal line bleed on other displays, but show how their product is superior. If all the Kuros had the same amount of line-bleed as that of other manufacturers, I doubt Pioneer would put content on their demo disc highlighting this issue. I'm sorry, but until you offer some sort of documentation or proof, I cannot accept your claim that the Pioneer Kuros showed the same amount of line-bleed as other plasmas. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the reason it seems to be so much improved on the 2010 Panasonics is because of Pioneer engineering that made it into the Panasonics.

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Anyway... I had given up on Plasma, because in 2009 we purchased multiple sets from Panasonic, Samsung and Pioneer, and they all exhibited the issue significantly.

Once again, tell us which Pioneers you owned. My 500M does not exhibit the issue significantly. I'm not saying there is no line bleed at all, just that it's far better than last year's offerings from Sammy, Panny, and LG.

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I realize this is not big news to most people, since most people were never bothered by it to begin with, but in my opinion it's BIG news for plasma. I've been puzzled by this issue for a long time and spent many hours researching it, because it frustrated me. I have gathered so much information that I have considered starting a website about it. Or at least a support group for those bothered by it, like me. Ha!

Please tell us where you noticed it the most? Share with us which film clips you saw it in, or are you a big fan of a certain television programs like boxing and one called The Office? Apparently this show had lots of scenes with people standing in front of horizontal blinds. I don't watch boxing or sitcoms.

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I cannot say there is absolute 0 line bleeding, but I have not seen any obvious signs yet, and that's amazing.

When did you see obvious signs of it on your Pioneer, and how big was your panel, and how far away did you typically sit?
 

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So you're saying the line bleed was a figment of his imagination? Sorry, but it sounds like you're calling him a liar without any reasonable cause. Not that I have a Kuro to say one way or another, but is it so hard to believe that he might have had a Kuro that did have line bleeding? No one's saying that all or even most Kuros have this, but apparently his did. Maybe he got a bad set, I don't know. But it seems a bit jumpy to be calling him out and accusing him because of this.
 

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Im bit confused, will be there VT25 in 54" or not ? On lineup are only 50" or 65", but on website they have g25 in 54".
 
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