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Within the next few weeks our recently purchased 2012 Sony KDL-46HX750 LED television will be delivered. This new Sony replaces our much admired 2006 KDF-46E3000.


The first question a new television owner generally asked is "Why did you select this model?". My decision came after extensive research into the good and bad of 2011 46 inch Sony's along with how Sony addressed existing issues in the development of their 2012 models. You should note that I write from a non-high tech user perspective.


I discovered 2011 Sony's already had very good to great 2D and room for improvement with 3D. For us I doubt we will rarely if ever view 3D media yet with 3D a standard feature in most models it was only prudent to research Sony's 2012 3D technological improvements. I was very happy to learn the HX750 is expected to deliver very high quality video in both dimensions.


Today's television designers have sacrificed on-board speaker quality and placement in favor of slim & trim cases. In my opinion Sony seemingly assumes their TV owners will use external audio delivery systems. I am happy to write that we already have, in my opinion, a very good external audio setup.


For those interested in detailed HX750 information check out the following link.


From Sony-
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/sto...52921666415284


So until our 46HX750 is up and running this is about all I have to discuss.
 

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Well, I picked up and installed my 46HX750 last night and overall it's a very nice set. The menu's are slightly different, in a good way, than the HX729 was and overall performance is great. Gaming lag isn't even noticeable on "Game" mode with the panel set to "quality" which I was extremely happy to see. After adjusting all the picture settings I'm very happy with how the image looks. The 3D also seems to be much better than last year's models although honestly I will rarely ever use the 3D aspect. Now that the good stuff is out of the way, the bad part.


I'm very very annoyed to say, just like the three 46HX729's & one 46D6900WF I've had in the past 2 months, that this new one STILL has flash-lighting in the bottom corners identical to how the HX729's were. The auto back light adjust seems to do a better job than on the older models but it's still there. What's also maddening is that Sony has the same old response "Some models will be noticeably brighter in the corners, and it isn't something we repair at this time as it's normal and will fade over time". I can't understand how there can be this variance level in panel construction where the company would completely refuse to address the issue across the board. I mean...Is it just me that's seeing this? Are most people's eyes so bad that they don't notice this issue? Despite the fact that I know people with 2 year old XBR sets where this never faded away, does it really fade over time? Is there something wrong with my eyes? I'm sincerely struggling with understanding how this issue continues to plague most all LED sets I've seen(including the 2012's).


Now I'll be honest about the "problem". It's truly nitpicking and not something that most non videophiles would ever care about. The only time you see the issue come up is on sources that don't fill the screen(black bars on sides/top/bottom) and in a dark room. So if you don't do much of that sort of watching then you can probably(and should probably) just look past this issue without flinching because this is an incredibly good set.


Now the big question: Do I just deal with the things I dislike about plasmas or do I press start and begin the exchange game so to speak?
 

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Originally Posted by PhantomApollyon /forum/post/21806946


Well, I picked up and installed my 46HX750 last night and overall it's a very nice set. The menu's are slightly different, in a good way, than the HX729 was and overall performance is great. Gaming lag isn't even noticeable on "Game" mode with the panel set to "quality" which I was extremely happy to see. After adjusting all the picture settings I'm very happy with how the image looks. The 3D also seems to be much better than last year's models although honestly I will rarely ever use the 3D aspect. Now that the good stuff is out of the way, the bad part.


I'm very very annoyed to say, just like the three 46HX729's & one 46D6900WF I've had in the past 2 months, that this new one STILL has flash-lighting in the bottom corners identical to how the HX729's were. The auto back light adjust seems to do a better job than on the older models but it's still there. What's also maddening is that Sony has the same old response "Some models will be noticeably brighter in the corners, and it isn't something we repair at this time as it's normal and will fade over time". I can't understand how there can be this variance level in panel construction where the company would completely refuse to address the issue across the board. I mean...Is it just me that's seeing this? Are most people's eyes so bad that they don't notice this issue? Despite the fact that I know people with 2 year old XBR sets where this never faded away, does it really fade over time? Is there something wrong with my eyes? I'm sincerely struggling with understanding how this issue continues to plague most all LED sets I've seen(including the 2012's).


Now I'll be honest about the "problem". It's truly nitpicking and not something that most non videophiles would ever care about. The only time you see the issue come up is on sources that don't fill the screen(black bars on sides/top/bottom) and in a dark room. So if you don't do much of that sort of watching then you can probably(and should probably) just look past this issue without flinching because this is an incredibly good set.


Now the big question: Do I just deal with the things I dislike about plasmas or do I press start and begin the exchange game so to speak?

As a nit picker myself and awaiting delivery of my HX750 I would recommend on two factors. The first being the opinion of of others viewing the issue and secondly and most imortant, how much the issue continues to irritate you. If you find yourself unable to live with the fault I would recommend you play hardball with Sony Tech Support. Telling them this fault is completely disrupting my help you get a hand picked, error free HX750 or a major discount on an HX850 (assuming it does not have the same issue).


As for me, my tolarence gauge, "gulp" will be my bride of 33 years. She is a remarkable resource when it comes to AV issue tolerance. As I stated earlier I am a nit picker where as she unbiasly looks at the issues overall impact. Over the years I can't count the number of items I returned due to nit picky issues. Then along the 27th year of marriage bliss my find lady got tired of my AV rotating door attitude. It was then that she began giving me her true opinion. It is good to have a mate that enjoys your passion for AV.


I wish you the best of luck. Please, please post your followup action since I will soon have my own HX750.
 

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As a nit picker myself and awaiting delivery of my HX750 I would recommend on two factors. The first being the opinion of of others viewing the issue and secondly and most imortant, how much the issue continues to irritate you. If you find yourself unable to live with the fault I would recommend you play hardball with Sony Tech Support. Telling them this fault is completely disrupting my help you get a hand picked, error free HX750 or a major discount on an HX850 (assuming it does not have the same issue).


As for me, my tolarence gauge, "gulp" will be my bride of 33 years. She is a remarkable resource when it comes to AV issue tolerance. As I stated earlier I am a nit picker where as she unbiasly looks at the issues overall impact. Over the years I can't count the number of items I returned due to nit picky issues. Then along the 27th year of marriage bliss my find lady got tired of my AV rotating door attitude. It was then that she began giving me her true opinion. It is good to have a mate that enjoys your passion for AV.


I wish you the best of luck. Please, please post your followup action since I will soon have my own HX750.

I will definitely let you know what I decide to do. I've never had any issues getting my lady's true opinion, she flat out told me I was being ridiculous and that she only even marginally noticed it when it was 2am and we were watching something with black bottom bars with all the lights off. And I have to agree with her on the fact that during the day, it's virtually invisible...but at night, my eyes seem to be constantly drawn to it. I'm not quite sure how to "turn off" my eyes being drawn down there to look at it...
 

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My HX750 is in Dallas and scheduled for delivery to our residence Saturday afternoon. I feel like an expectant father.
 

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I've had mine for about two weeks now 55". I'll admit it was an impulse purchase, had a lot of Sony rewards points sitting around, so it it was only a few hundred $$$ out of pocket. At that price it was a steal. Its replacing a 50" Samsung plasma which has moved from my living room setup to do bedroom duty. I can't fully comment on it yet as I dont own calibration gear and the settings I'm using from the previous generation set don't seem ideal.


I've noticed no odd dimming effects or anything untoward in normal viewing. Have yet to watch any blurays so take it FWIW. In combo with PS3 for gaming, its does shine. So I like it, but frankly I prefer the blacks/brightness of the plasma. Hopefully we're get some better settings on this thread by those more knowledgeable than I.
 

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PhantomApollyon,


The HX750 has X-Realty and the HX729 has the X-Reality Pro.


Is the picture quality on the HX750 the same or better than the HX729?

TO ME, after adjusting settings in Cinema mode it seems ever so slightly better than the 729 was...and I literally just owned both TV's back to back so I feel pretty confident in the response
 

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TO ME, after adjusting settings in Cinema mode it seems ever so slightly better than the 729 was...and I literally just owned both TV's back to back so I feel pretty confident in the response

Our new HX750 arrived and was basically installed today. We are very pleased. Since the HX750 is so new to us where and what is Cinema. Of course I will be readi a lot yet though I would get a fast start following your Cinema lead. What was the change you made to Cinema?


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Within Settings I set Scene Select to Auto (24p sync) and Picture Adjustments, Picture Mode to Vivid. All I can say is "WOW"! The picture literally pops off the screen. Our TV signal comes through a Directv HD HR24 and Directv Am21n OTA receiver.
 

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Below are the Cinema(Scene Select) settings that I'm using these should make your picture look much more true to life and much less artificial(IMO). Also understand that depending on where you're watching this you may need to turn the backlight up and the gamma back to 0

Scene Select: Cinema


Picture Mode: Cinema2

Back light: 3

Picture: 96

Brightness: 44

Color: 56

Hue: G1

Color Temp: Warm1(you may prefer warm2 for more realistic but I don't)

Sharpness: 25

Noise Reduction: Off

MPEG Noise Reduction: Off

Dot Noise Reduction: Off

Motionflow: Off

Cinemotion: Off


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Black Corrector: Low

Adv Contrast Enhancer: Low

Gamma: -1

Auto Light Limiter: Off

Clear White: Off

Live Color: Off

White Balance: unchanged(you can probably alter these but I didn't bother)

Detail Enchancer: Off

Edge Enhancer: Off

Skin Naturalizer: Off

i/p conversion pref: Quality
 

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I'm wondering if the HX850 is worth the extra $ compared to the 750...

To be honest, I sincerely doubt it. The 46HX729 I had the "X-reality PRO" engine and a "higher" motionflow spec and I see virtually no difference in either specification. Not to mention the fact that typically you are going to want to turn OFF the motionflow all together. The only reason you would consider the HX850 instead would be if you prefer the frame-less design & gorilla glass....and you really think it's worth the price hike. I couldn't see dropping another 400 dollars for some gorilla glass, a nicer looking frame design, and a feature I would turn off.
 

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Originally Posted by PhantomApollyon /forum/post/21828544


Below are the Cinema(Scene Select) settings that I'm using these should make your picture look much more true to life and much less artificial(IMO). Also understand that depending on where you're watching this you may need to turn the backlight up and the gamma back to 0

Scene Select: Cinema


Picture Mode: Cinema2

Back light: 3

Picture: 96

Brightness: 44

Color: 56

Hue: G1

Color Temp: Warm1(you may prefer warm2 for more realistic but I don't)

Sharpness: 25

Noise Reduction: Off

MPEG Noise Reduction: Off

Dot Noise Reduction: Off

Motionflow: Off

Cinemotion: OfI


Advanced

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Black Corrector: Low

Adv Contrast Enhancer: Low

Gamma: -1

Auto Light Limiter: Off

Clear White: Off

Live Color: Off

White Balance: unchanged(you can probably alter these but I didn't bother)

Detail Enchancer: Off

Edge Enhancer: Off

Skin Naturalizer: Off

i/p conversion pref: Quality

Thank you. I'll try your settings.
 

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I'm wondering if the HX850 is worth the extra $ compared to the 750...

I've been trying to decide the same thing, Beckler. My predicament given the looming pricing structure changes coming April 1st is whether to try and order the 55HX750 to beat the shipping deadline and lock in the current price, or wait to see the HX850 in person (hopefully sometime in April) and pray that the price on these doesn't skyrocket. The other option nagging me, if I'm going to opt up to the HX850, is whether I would be better off jumping on a discounted XBR/929 now and just be done with it. Decisions, decisions....
 

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To be honest, I sincerely doubt it. The 46HX729 I had the "X-reality PRO" engine and a "higher" motionflow spec and I see virtually no difference in either specification. Not to mention the fact that typically you are going to want to turn OFF the motionflow all together. The only reason you would consider the HX850 instead would be if you prefer the frame-less design & gorilla glass....and you really think it's worth the price hike. I couldn't see dropping another 400 dollars for some gorilla glass, a nicer looking frame design, and a feature I would turn off.

Have you compared the gorilla glass vs. matte for reflections? I think the 750 is a matte screen which I think I'd prefer, for that reason. I think glossy screens tho with their coatings are a lot better than they used to be...

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I've been trying to decide the same thing, Beckler. My predicament given the looming pricing structure changes coming April 1st is whether to try and order the 55HX750 to beat the shipping deadline and lock in the current price, or wait to see the HX850 in person (hopefully sometime in April) and pray that the price on these doesn't skyrocket. The other option nagging me, if I'm going to opt up to the HX850, is whether I would be better off jumping on a discounted XBR/929 now and just be done with it. Decisions, decisions....

I haven't read about these upcoming price changes. Do you have a link? I'm in Canada but assume that would affect us too; not sure. I'm still thinking about the 929 too, but it seems unavailable here and I think I read 3D is much improved for 2012 models?
 

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I haven't read about these upcoming price changes. Do you have a link? I'm in Canada but assume that would affect us too; not sure. I'm still thinking about the 929 too, but it seems unavailable here and I think I read 3D is much improved for 2012 models?

wwwcbs6albanycom/news/top-stories/stories/vid_247.shtml


According to a local retailer (single-store mom&pop shop) that carries Sony and Samsung, they can still sell or order TVs at the current prices this week "as long as they ship from Sony by March 31st". Any orders that do not ship by the 31st will be cancelled and must be reordered by the retailer under the new (April 1st) price structure. Apparently Sony will be taking down their ordering system April 1st and won't be accepting new orders (or re-orders) under the new pricing until around the 4th (according to Sony's retailer announcement).


So if you want a HX750 or XBR, and want to be sure to get the current (likely lower) pricing, it sounds like time is running out. If, like me, you are waiting to take a look at the HX850 before deciding, you're stuck waiting to see what happens April 1st as both the 46" and 55" HX850 won't be available to ship until sometime after April 1st.


I suppose there could be some variation in the new pricing and or availability dates in Canada vs the US, so you might want to check Sony's CA website or check with a local retailer to be sure.
 

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Have you compared the gorilla glass vs. matte for reflections? I think the 750 is a matte screen which I think I'd prefer, for that reason. I think glossy screens tho with their coatings are a lot better than they used to be...

I'm back and forth on this as well. I have to deal with glare issues in my viewing room, but I know if I go with a matte screen my wife will likely make a mess of it the first time she forgets and wipes it down with a dirty dust cloth. For that reason alone, I think I'd be better off coughing up the extra coin for the HX850 or HX929 with Gorilla Glass. I wonder if they've made any improvements with the anti-reflective coating on the 2012 models?
 

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To be honest, I sincerely doubt it. The 46HX729 I had the "X-reality PRO" engine and a "higher" motionflow spec and I see virtually no difference in either specification.

Just wondering, what material did you watch when making that judgment? According to the Sony web page the X-Reality Pro Engine has this description:


"X-Reality Pro gives you the smart image processing technique of X-Reality and adds an extra dimension of image clarity. It includes the Reality Creation Database that makes even standard definition movies closer to HD quality. Shapes instantly become smoother, sharper and more defined"


I.e. my interpretation is that it mainly improves lower quality material (standard definition TV, low bitrate HDTV, DVD, etc), which is quite important though since that's the content many people watch a lot of the time.


To me I have only compared the NX720 (X-Reality) and the HX820 (X-Reality Pro) in some shops. But when watching normal TV content (SD & 720p/1080i HDTV) and not Blu-ray on them, my impression was that there were more details in the picture on the HX820 while still being smooth. I'm not sure the settings were identical, but that was the impression I got at least. If so it matches the description on the Sony web page.
 
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