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Does the HDR optimizer not work in HDR mode? Do you manually have to change to SDR2020 for it to become available?

Otherwise I wonder why you're not running with HDR on and doing the HDR optimizer on top of the regular signal that's stored on disc?

HDR optimizer can be turned on in HDR2020 or SDR2020. I just personally think the picture looks much better if you use SDR2020 and let the player do all the tone mapping.



IMO the player's tone mapping is better than the 885's built in HDR TM, so I keep it on SDR2020. Personal preference. You can try it both ways and see which you TM method you prefer. If one was using a custom curve than it might be a different story.



To me, the blacks are better, colors pop more, and highlights are better when I run SDR2020 and let the player do all the TM.



I think of the UB820 as a poor mans Lumagen. Looks great. I only wish it had an HDMI input like the oppo so I could use the TM for my apple 4k tv
 

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Hi guys, I'm using my VE760ES for a few months now, only now I found time to read that thread almost entirely (on the page 95 now); I read many posts about blue streaking; unfortunately my pj also has this defect;
can you please check attached images; I see this defect from my seating position; obviously it is much more intense when I see it in few centimeters from the screen; but it is still noticable from my seating position as well;
do you think such defect worth trying to replace my unit ? defect is visible only under specific conditions (black background and bright white letters, such as opening or closing titles) - but I dont think I'm comfortable keeping so much expensive unit if the same units others owns, have that blue streaking defect in much lesser extent.

what do you guys think?


ps. when taking photos with my iphone I intentionally tried to overexpose them, because without that photos was not representing amount of blue streaking I see; so perhaps now defect is greater on the photos than in reality, but I think it is better represent actual defect I'm seeing.
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Sony will ask you to do a panel alignment before they even entertain a return. They may even try to tell you that it is behaving as expected (If they expect lots of blur streaks from a top end device, then I guess it is……).
However, if you are seeing this from your seat even after doing a very careful panel alignment (using R/G, not R/G/B), then get onto your dealer/Sony support straight away. It is not acceptable on any device, let alone one this expensive.

Some units have this more than others and other users @Dave Harper for example, returned their units with this much streaking.

Good luck.
 
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@jbrinegar, what Picture Mode are you using? (I'm using Cinema Film 1)...or is that moot once you change all the settings (brightness, contrast, gamma, etc)? I would imagine there could be differences between the Picture Modes beyond what's just exposed in the basic settings.

EDIT: another question...you mentioned earlier to calibrate using the Masciola disc (which is how you arrived at a Contrast of 100). Isn't that disc an HDR disc? If you calibrate in HDR mode, but then run the projector in SDR mode, that's not the same setting, right? (i.e. the sony shows 'Contrast (HDR)' when in HDR mode vs. 'Contrast' when in SDR mode (independent settings).

I found it interesting that Woof Woof said Black Panther looked better...in my experience, the Marvel movies look great when the 885ES is in HDR mode and does the tone mapping. It's other films (The Prestige, Predator, and others) that I want to try the UB820 with and see if letting the player do the tone mapping helps things.
 

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@jbrinegar , what Picture Mode are you using? (I'm using Cinema Film 1)...or is that moot once you change all the settings (brightness, contrast, gamma, etc)? I would imagine there could be differences between the Picture Modes beyond what's just exposed in the basic settings.

EDIT: another question...you mentioned earlier to calibrate using the Masciola disc (which is how you arrived at a Contrast of 100). Isn't that disc an HDR disc? If you calibrate in HDR mode, but then run the projector in SDR mode, that's not the same setting, right? (i.e. the sony shows 'Contrast (HDR)' when in HDR mode vs. 'Contrast' when in SDR mode (independent settings).

I found it interesting that Woof Woof said Black Panther looked better...in my experience, the Marvel movies look great when the 885ES is in HDR mode and does the tone mapping. It's other films (The Prestige, Predator, and others) that I want to try the UB820 with and see if letting the player do the tone mapping helps things.

I use Ref mode, but I dont think it matters because you will be changing the settings to whatever the masciola patterns show you.

Yes its an HDR disc. I put it in the UB820, put it into SDR202 mode, then calibrate. There is no Contrast (HDR) in this mode, just regular Contrast, so you are able to increase it to max without clipping any highlights.


In regular HDR 2020 mode, on the brightness pattern, Ive always crushed blacks a little because youd have to turn up brightness to around 59 to be able to get the patterns correct, and this raises the black floor too much. In SDR2020, brightness of 50 is perfect and black floor looks subjectively better to me.



In HDR2020 mode, you can only raise contrast (HDR) to around 60ish before you clip highlights. In SDR2020, you can raise it to Max and your still good on the patterns, giving you a much brighter picture without clipping any bright highlights.



I agree with woof woof on black panther, looks much better IMO in SDR2020. Much better shadow details and much better on the bright highlights. Looks more like a custom curve or a lumagen IMO when you use the SDR2020 mode.
 

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Hi.

Sony will ask you to do a panel alignment before they even entertain a return. They may even try to tell you that it is behaving as expected (If they expect lots of blur streaks from a top end device, then I guess it is……).
However, if you are seeing this from your seat even after doing a very careful panel alignment (using R/G, not R/G/B), then get onto your dealer/Sony support straight away. It is not acceptable on any device, let alone one this expensive.

Some units have this more than others and other users @Dave Harper for example, returned their units with this much streaking.

Good luck.

Thanks for your input!


I was under impression that amout of blue strikes cannot be adjusted by panel alignment, but maybe I'm wrong; the length of these vertical strikes is quite significant; on my screen (150'' 16:9) when I'm near the screen I'm able to see them going up for 30-40 centimeters I believe. overall picture quality is very good; but that amount of striking on that specific conditions worries me, I think it could affect overall picture quality all the time, we just dont see it, but its there. btw its not happening only for white bright text, today I've seen it on ending titles of Ocean's Eight; and titles there wasnt too bright, I'd say they was in light gray color, and I was able to see strikes, not so prominent, but there were there..



about panel alignment, I actually did some work on panel alignment, but I'm not sure if I did things right; I was using "shift" mode and tried to make white lines to have minimum amount of "other colors"
can you suggest some tutorial how to do that properly? or perhaps guide me here by writing steps I should perform if that is not too much to ask?


do I need to do zone alignment or shift alignment or both? and when doing alignment what result I should try to get?



thanks!
 

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Hi to you all,

I have currently a JVC-X7500 with which I am relatively happy, except for the (relative) softness and the HDR, which I feel often produces pictures which are too dark, except in a small, very (even sometimes too) bright area of the screen

I just got a very nice offer on a new WV-760ES but I am hesitating in taking the jump for the following reasons:

1. Black levels. I know these are not as good on the Sony than on the JVC, but will they still feel OK coming from my current PJ, especially for B&W and silent movies?

2. HDR. At least on paper, the Sony is not much brighter than my JVC. Will I still feel the pictures are sometimes too dark?

3. HDR10+: when will a PJ offer HDR10+, one year, two years from now?

4. New JVC PJs: They are for me a natural option, but they are not laser-based and what about their black levels?

Basically, my options are: keeping my current PJ, buying the WV-760 now or buying the N7 a few months from now (I can't afford the N9). What would you do?

Thank you!
 

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Hi to you all,



I have currently a JVC-X7500 with which I am relatively happy, except for the (relative) softness and the HDR, which I feel often produces pictures which are too dark, except in a small, very (even sometimes too) bright area of the screen



I just got a very nice offer on a new WV-760ES but I am hesitating in taking the jump for the following reasons:



1. Black levels. I know these are not as good on the Sony than on the JVC, but will they still feel OK coming from my current PJ, especially for B&W and silent movies?



2. HDR. At least on paper, the Sony is not much brighter than my JVC. Will I still feel the pictures are sometimes too dark?



3. HDR10+: when will a PJ offer HDR10+, one year, two years from now?



4. New JVC PJs: They are for me a natural option, but they are not laser-based and what about their black levels?



Basically, my options are: keeping my current PJ, buying the WV-760 now or buying the N7 a few months from now (I can't afford the N9). What would you do?



Thank you!


I’m the happy owner of a 760. I watched recently Christine and Lara Croft: Tomb Raider and I’m amazed of the HDR picture you could get with a proper 3DLUT and madVR tone mapping. It’s a totally new experience coming from a 320.

Regarding your interrogations, I would still advise you to wait for NX9 reviews. The JVC is on paper a very fierce competitor. Lumen output is the same, color gamut coverage is close or better and the lens should be better. As for HDR handling it all depends if you rely on an external tone mapping device/software. The 760 with the laser should provide for a very nice upgrade even though it’s similarly bright as your X7500. But again the wise choice is to wait. In the end it also depends on how good your deal is regarding the 760. I wouldn’t worry too much about contrast, the 760 is still an excellent device in that regard.

If I had to purchase something now, I would consider the 760 and the NX9. I wouldn’t bother looking at the N7. Again on paper. The N7 might not be far behind the NX9.
 

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Hi to you all,

I have currently a JVC-X7500 with which I am relatively happy, except for the (relative) softness and the HDR, which I feel often produces pictures which are too dark, except in a small, very (even sometimes too) bright area of the screen

I just got a very nice offer on a new WV-760ES but I am hesitating in taking the jump for the following reasons:

1. Black levels. I know these are not as good on the Sony than on the JVC, but will they still feel OK coming from my current PJ, especially for B&W and silent movies?

2. HDR. At least on paper, the Sony is not much brighter than my JVC. Will I still feel the pictures are sometimes too dark?

3. HDR10+: when will a PJ offer HDR10+, one year, two years from now?

4. New JVC PJs: They are for me a natural option, but they are not laser-based and what about their black levels?

Basically, my options are: keeping my current PJ, buying the WV-760 now or buying the N7 a few months from now (I can't afford the N9). What would you do?

Thank you!

To me, Id only look at the 885 vs. JVC nx9. The lens looks awesome on that model.



Contrast is better on the JVCs, but Im very happy with the contrast the 885es. Any chance you can see one in person? I just like the way laser looks, hard to describe. Only PJ id consider switching to from my 885 is the JVC nx9 or the JVS rs4500 laser. Just IMO of course
 
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1. Black levels. I know these are not as good on the Sony than on the JVC, but will they still feel OK coming from my current PJ, especially for B&W and silent movies?...
If you watch a lot of older content that was shot on film there should not be much difference in contrast and black levels. The film stock used in most older film did not have the dynamic range of the last generation mainstream stock which could get up to ~10,000:1.

Older B&W film should be fine on either projector. Some of my old film buddies suggest calibrating at D52 instead of D65 for older film for a more accurate look.
 

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Hi to you all,

I have currently a JVC-X7500 with which I am relatively happy, except for the (relative) softness and the HDR, which I feel often produces pictures which are too dark, except in a small, very (even sometimes too) bright area of the screen

I just got a very nice offer on a new WV-760ES but I am hesitating in taking the jump for the following reasons:

1. Black levels. I know these are not as good on the Sony than on the JVC, but will they still feel OK coming from my current PJ, especially for B&W and silent movies?

2. HDR. At least on paper, the Sony is not much brighter than my JVC. Will I still feel the pictures are sometimes too dark?

3. HDR10+: when will a PJ offer HDR10+, one year, two years from now?

4. New JVC PJs: They are for me a natural option, but they are not laser-based and what about their black levels?

Basically, my options are: keeping my current PJ, buying the WV-760 now or buying the N7 a few months from now (I can't afford the N9). What would you do?

Thank you!
I moved from a JVC X9500 to the 760ES.

Yes, there are instances where the X9500 will outperform the 760ES. Particularly in SDR material. But with HDR, I was also struck by how much there is a raised black level on the X9500 to compensate for the higher brightness needed for HDR. Even in SDR, the Sony 760ES does a decent job with black levels except in very very low APL scenes.

Everything else. the 760ES shines. In motion. In sharpness. In color. In brightness. The laser engine just feels vibrant and punchy without being overblown.

The first time I put the 760ES in and fired it up, it was like a light cannon next to the X9500.
 

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OK, @jbrinegar, you've sold me. :)

I tried your settings tonight (previously, I was using Cinema Film 1, which DOES have some other things turned on in Advanced (Color correction, I believe, perhaps one other setting) which Reference does NOT have turned on. Also, before in Cinema Film 1, I didn't have the contrast as high as max (I had something like 75, can't remember).

But trying Reference with everything you mentioned, I'm definitely impressed. The end of Mission Impossible 5 was nearly unwatchable before (dark outdoor scene)...but now, SO much better.

I tried a bunch of movies, ones even that I think look great when the 885ES is in HDR mode...like Dark Knight Rises' opening sequence...and I felt they looked about the same. The Warner logo still had that vibrant HDR-like "pop" to it, the airplane sequence looked great, etc.

I've been running the 885ES in HDR mode on Cinema Film 1 for a few months, so I've gotten used to how bright it can be. But obviously, many movies look very muddy in darker scenes. Some movies (Bourne Identity, Prestige, part of MI5, part of Predator) were borderline unwatchable before during the dark scenes.

I will say this: I would say the eye-blinding brightness that I've noticed in certain scenes in certain movies is still quite bright, but maybe around 85-90% as bright as what I can remember. But if that means gaining the much better shadow detail in dark scenes, I'll definitely take it. Now if only Oppo would release a f/w update to do tone mapping like this, then we'd have the ultimate (HDMI In, etc)...I actually believe they will, eventually.

Thanks so much...

Chris
 
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I moved from a JVC X9500 to the 760ES.

Yes, there are instances where the X9500 will outperform the 760ES. Particularly in SDR material. But with HDR, I was also struck by how much there is a raised black level on the X9500 to compensate for the higher brightness needed for HDR. Even in SDR, the Sony 760ES does a decent job with black levels except in very very low APL scenes.

Everything else. the 760ES shines. In motion. In sharpness. In color. In brightness. The laser engine just feels vibrant and punchy without being overblown.

The first time I put the 760ES in and fired it up, it was like a light cannon next to the X9500.
Same sentiments as from my mate who went from the X9500 to the 760ES . I will say again, the 760ES is one of my favourite projectors...:)
 

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Hi to you all,

I have currently a JVC-X7500 with which I am relatively happy, except for the (relative) softness and the HDR, which I feel often produces pictures which are too dark, except in a small, very (even sometimes too) bright area of the screen

I just got a very nice offer on a new WV-760ES but I am hesitating in taking the jump for the following reasons:

1. Black levels. I know these are not as good on the Sony than on the JVC, but will they still feel OK coming from my current PJ, especially for B&W and silent movies?

2. HDR. At least on paper, the Sony is not much brighter than my JVC. Will I still feel the pictures are sometimes too dark?

3. HDR10+: when will a PJ offer HDR10+, one year, two years from now?

4. New JVC PJs: They are for me a natural option, but they are not laser-based and what about their black levels?

Basically, my options are: keeping my current PJ, buying the WV-760 now or buying the N7 a few months from now (I can't afford the N9). What would you do?

Thank you!
I would select vw760es, or wait till N7 r leases. Colour gmait coverage is better than x7500 or even x9900, I relate to dci-p3 coversge. Blacks are not the second as JVC ones, but you still will be enjoying it's picture. I love that PJ vw760es everyday I turn it and tell myself how damn picture it throws. But you'll have to calibrate it to have perfect colours, as out of the box I didn't like it much it's colours had a lot off green tint, even after switching it off from service menu. So I would take 760ee, as you'll enjoy it 100÷ also it's more crisper than x7500 :)

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Thanks for your input!


I was under impression that amout of blue strikes cannot be adjusted by panel alignment, but maybe I'm wrong; the length of these vertical strikes is quite significant; on my screen (150'' 16:9) when I'm near the screen I'm able to see them going up for 30-40 centimeters I believe. overall picture quality is very good; but that amount of striking on that specific conditions worries me, I think it could affect overall picture quality all the time, we just dont see it, but its there. btw its not happening only for white bright text, today I've seen it on ending titles of Ocean's Eight; and titles there wasnt too bright, I'd say they was in light gray color, and I was able to see strikes, not so prominent, but there were there..



about panel alignment, I actually did some work on panel alignment, but I'm not sure if I did things right; I was using "shift" mode and tried to make white lines to have minimum amount of "other colors"
can you suggest some tutorial how to do that properly? or perhaps guide me here by writing steps I should perform if that is not too much to ask?


do I need to do zone alignment or shift alignment or both? and when doing alignment what result I should try to get?



thanks!
Hi.

Yes, you were using it correctly.
Use shift mode as a preference as it shifts the entire screen not just parts of it. Zone is to fine tune any parts of the screen that don't quite match up if necessary. I tend to stick to shift as it is usually good enough over the screen, especially from the seated position.

Use the RG option in the panel alignment not the RGB as it is easier to sort the convergence with only two colours at once.

Check the manual as it explains a lot of it.

Good luck.

P.S. If you are getting streaking which is obvious from the seated position even after trying alignment etc, then you need to instigate a return/repair ASAP. Make sure you take pics before and during/after the alignment etc as Sony will doubtless want evidence of the fault and your adjustments, and it is easier than un-adjusting it again after getting it as good as you can.
 

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I think it could affect overall picture quality all the time, we just dont see it
I dunno about you but if there's a problem with a display that I cannot see, I don't care. The display's job is to show me images I view. If the problems are not visible, then they're not problems.
 

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Does anyone here already watched the movie Solo in UHD? I found that the calibrated picture was way too bright, blacks rendered as grey except for the end credits that looked right. I’m wondering if my 3DLUT with madVR behaves as expected. Or is is the master or black level not rendered properly. Other movies looked okay though.
 

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Does anyone here already watched the movie Solo in UHD? I found that the calibrated picture was way too bright, blacks rendered as grey except for the end credits that looked right. I’m wondering if my 3DLUT with madVR behaves as expected. Or is is the master or black level not rendered properly. Other movies looked okay though.
I thought that was supposed to be a very dark looking movie ?
 

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I would select vw760es, or wait till N7 r leases. Colour gmait coverage is better than x7500 or even x9900, I relate to dci-p3 coversge. Blacks are not the second as JVC ones, but you still will be enjoying it's picture. I love that PJ vw760es everyday I turn it and tell myself how damn picture it throws. But you'll have to calibrate it to have perfect colours, as out of the box I didn't like it much it's colours had a lot off green tint, even after switching it off from service menu. So I would take 760ee, as you'll enjoy it 100÷ also it's more crisper than x7500 :)

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I am not following you on the DCI coverage. The two JVC models listed can do full DCI coverage. It does cost lumens when engaged.
 

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I am not following you on the DCI coverage. The two JVC models listed can do full DCI coverage. It does cost lumens when engaged.
I've seen x9900 side be a side with 760es, and 760es produced way richer colors in the image. Both calibrated by the same person. Then we hooked up my 760ES next to it, via my Lumagen Pro4444 calibrated by myself (LightSpace). I and Nigel preferred the picture on my PJ hooked via Lumagen, against the other calibrated 760ES and X9900. X9900 was only winning in blacks, despite the fact it had the hand-picked premium lens, it still looked no that sharp as vw760es and definitely colors where not so popped out, as compared to my VW760ES and the other 760ES unit.
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