[hdtv47lg70]

i just bought this dinosaur from ebay yesterday. man this thing has power forever. i couldnt imagine hooking an amp to it, even thought it has all 6 channel pre-outs.


the setup:


ps3 via optical to v995 (audio)

ps3 via hdmi to 47lg70 (video)


motorola via optical to v995 (audio)

motorola via hdmi to 47lg70 (video)


no video connections to the receiver. i dont have any svideo devices anymore.. except wii...


with my other recievers vsx-519 the ps3 showed via the audio setting that it would out up to 5.1 pcm

with the denon 1910 the ps3 showed it would out up to 7.1pcm


with the v995 hooked to it , the ps3 shows only 2.1 pcm.. this is a big let down in that i assumed that if it did pcm it could do 5.1 pcm as well.. apparently unless i am missing a setting 5.1 pcm wasnt happening back in the late 90's!1?


why is this a problem you ask? well because i only 2 front speakers and the rear sub active when i am trying to get dts-hdma surround from the p3 (movie source is master and commander - it supports hdma)


now if i use the yamaha dsp settings with effects on and input to auto then it takes the pcm signal and does its yamaha magic and makes it a FANTASTIC sounding full surround experience. the yamaha dsp has what they call 70mm adventure sound from one of the modes and 70mm scifi from one of the others.. the adventure mode sounds great on master and commander. now all the reading that i have done tells me that this processing is supposed to make it sound like teh poo poo compared to direct unmolested 7.1pcm

i guess old ears like old things, i dont know but the dsp processed (magic) 5.1 dts just screams power and clarity on my speakers.. it sounds 10 times better than the hdmi lossless hdma that i experienced on the denon 1910.. of course i fully admit that i may not have had the denon set up properly after 1 month of reading the manual night and day and adjusting the settings, microprocessor resets.. etc etc...


the yamaha took much less time to make it sound like the movie theatre was robbed and reassembled in my living room.. more to follow if you guys are interested...

 

[afrogt]

So you tried a DTS-MA BD disc? How about trying a TrueHD disc and letting us know what happens.


Its possible that Yamaha can't do 1.5mpbs DTS audio. Some of the early receivers had that problem.

Quote:
ps3 via optical to v995 (audio)

ps3 via hdmi to 47lg70 (video)


motorola via optical to v995 (audio)
motorola via hdmi to v995 (video)

That can't be right because the 995 doesn't have HDMI.

Quote:
with my other recievers vsx-519 the ps3 showed via the audio setting that it would out up to 5.1 pcm

with the denon 1910 the ps3 showed it would out up to 7.1pcm


with the v995 hooked to it , the ps3 shows only 2.1 pcm.. this is a big let down in that i assumed that if it did pcm it could do 5.1 pcm as well.. apparently unless i am missing a setting 5.1 pcm wasnt happening back in the late 90's!1?

With these other two receivers you had connected the PS3 via HDMI. Now you are connecting via optical to the RX-V995. I bet you have to change some settings on your PS3. There is a huge thread about using your PS3 as a BD player and the audio settings.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...90&postcount=2

 

[MichaelJHuman]

S/PDIF has never been able to transmit more than two channels.


I assume the 995 does DD at least? Set the PS3 to output bitstream for movies in that case. If it does not do DTS, you won't be able to play DTS soundtracks except in two channel.

 

[hdtv47lg70]



Quote:
Originally Posted by afrogt /forum/post/16950762


So you tried a DTS-MA BD disc? How about trying a TrueHD disc and letting us know what happens.

hmmm.. well i thought it was dts hd ma.. maybe it was just dts-ma..it was blu ray for sure... do you know of any titles right of hand that are in trueHD?

Quote:
Originally Posted by afrogt /forum/post/16950762


Its possible that Yamaha can't do 1.5mpbs DTS audio. Some of the early receivers had that problem.

true. it is hard to learn about receivers that are plus 10 years in age.. i have a sony strd450z that only had two channel inputs and the selection criteria for the 'new' receiver was optical ins and pcm which i know it at least has optical ins... althought the optical connections is damn strange.. the 'wires' if you want to call them that are like tubes?? lol.. i totally bypassed the component and optical audio and digital coax audio connections..

Quote:
Originally Posted by afrogt /forum/post/16950762



That can't be right because the 995 doesn't have HDMI.

you are right.. that should say hdmi to 47lg70.. sorry

damn, missed your edit.

 

[afrogt]



Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman /forum/post/16950766

S/PDIF has never been able to transmit more than two channels.

I assume the 995 does DD at least? Set the PS3 to output bitstream for movies in that case. If it does not do DTS, you won't be able to play DTS soundtracks except in two channel.

Huh? S/PDIF only transmits two channels? My players send bitstream DD 5.1 and DTS just fine via toslink and digital coaxial. Those are discrete 5.1 channels.


Maybe you meant S/PDIF cant send PCM more than two channels?

 

[hdtv47lg70]

thanks for quick replies.. i will be on the phone for a minute then back to it... lolz

 

[MichaelJHuman]

Hello. Blu-ray discs should have a DTS core track embedded in a DTS-HD MA soundtrack. If your receiver can decode DTS, you are in good shape. Otherwise, you might be restricted in what you can hear from a Blu-ray disc with a DTS track. DVD discs I own have a DD soundtrack even when there's a DTS track on them. I am not sure how that works for Blu-ray discs.

 

[hdtv47lg70]



Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman /forum/post/16950849


Hello. Blu-ray discs should have a DTS core track embedded in a DTS-HD MA soundtrack. If your receiver can decode DTS, you are in good shape. Otherwise, you might be restricted in what you can hear from a Blu-ray disc with a DTS track. DVD discs I own have a DD soundtrack even when there's a DTS track on them. I am not sure how that works for Blu-ray discs.

the receiver can decode dts.. i am not sure whether it has to be bitstream dts or pcm dts.. i know the ps3 hdmi connections require that if you send the later of the formats dtshdma, etc it MUST be liner pcm.. so my line of thought was that all devices decoded them like this.. but this isnt true since some machines send them compressed via bitstream.. i know the v995 decodes dts though.. it is all through the owners manual..


the funny thing is that with the dsp on it sounds so much better.. not sure what magic the receiver is doing but it is right on.. if somehow it is taking the 2 channel pcm info and making it into dts surround.. it is badass for sure...



dts core!!! yikes more terminology .. lol

 

[hdtv47lg70]



Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman /forum/post/16950766


S/PDIF has never been able to transmit more than two channels.


I assume the 995 does DD at least? Set the PS3 to output bitstream for movies in that case. If it does not do DTS, you won't be able to play DTS soundtracks except in two channel.

it does both dolby digital (dd) and digital theatre system (dts) .. what is odd that if i put it in dts mode then it wont play dts hd ma.. which i thought was weird.. it will only play the mentioned blu ray i auto mode.. it has only three settings.. auto, dts, analog..

 

[MichaelJHuman]

Ok, let me lay out some scenarios, as I understand them.


If you set the PS3 to output bitstream, and not PCM, and select a DTS-MA soundtrack, it should send DTS via SPDIF. At least that's my understanding.


Have you confirmed that PS3 is set to output bitstream? You can test this with a DVD disc with a DD soundtrack. If you get PCM from that, you should changed your PS3 setting to output bitstream.

 

[MichaelJHuman]



Quote:
Originally Posted by afrogt /forum/post/16950837


Huh? S/PDIF only transmits two channels? My players send bitstream DD 5.1 and DTS just fine via toslink and digital coaxial. Those are discrete 5.1 channels.


Maybe you meant S/PDIF cant send PCM more than two channels?

That's what I thought I typed or meant in any case. Thanks for the correction.

 

[tingham]

wow..can I ask what you paid for that sucker? I have an old Yammy 5460 from the late 90's that I use for a 2nd zone, and it sounds really good for music. It will do pcm, but only 2 ch. It decodes dts fine with my ps3 set to bitstream. Those old dsp soundfields do sound good.


There is no comparison between the 5460 and my Denon 789 for movies though. So much more channel separation and depth with the Denon during movies. I can hear sounds from movies that I've never heard before with the Yammy. I don't know if it because of some movies with the lossless audio, or the Denon is just built better for movie soundtracks. Plus it has 7.1, and I would not have my HT setup any other way...

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If your happy with the sound of it, that's all that counts...enjoy!

 

[hdtv47lg70]



Quote:
Originally Posted by afrogt /forum/post/16950837


Huh? S/PDIF only transmits two channels? My players send bitstream DD 5.1 and DTS just fine via toslink and digital coaxial. Those are discrete 5.1 channels.


Maybe you meant S/PDIF cant send PCM more than two channels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman /forum/post/16951229


That's what I thought I typed or meant in any case. Thanks for the correction.

so am i reading this correctly, that pcm via optical on the ps3 is limited to 2.1 channels? but it can send multi channel via BITSTREAM via optical?

 

[tingham]



Quote:
Originally Posted by hdtv47lg70 /forum/post/16951654


so am i reading this correctly, that pcm via optical on the ps3 is limited to 2.1 channels? but it can send multi channel via BITSTREAM via optical?

Yes, and it can send DD and DTS via optical when set on bitstream.

 

[hdtv47lg70]



Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman /forum/post/16951224


Ok, let me lay out some scenarios, as I understand them.


If you set the PS3 to output bitstream, and not PCM, and select a DTS-MA soundtrack, it should send DTS via SPDIF. At least that's my understanding.


Have you confirmed that PS3 is set to output bitstream? You can test this with a DVD disc with a DD soundtrack. If you get PCM from that, you should changed your PS3 setting to output bitstream.

i will check those things.. tommorrow when i have a chance.. i was so set on pcm mode that i forgot about the bitstream setting.. i will verify that i changed from pcm to bitstream...

 

[MichaelJHuman]



Quote:
Originally Posted by hdtv47lg70 /forum/post/16951654


so am i reading this correctly, that pcm via optical on the ps3 is limited to 2.1 channels? but it can send multi channel via BITSTREAM via optical?

All PCM via S/PDIF (optical) is limited to two channels.


HDMI allows for up to eight channels of audio, but that fact does not help you

 

[hdtv47lg70]



Quote:
Originally Posted by tingham /forum/post/16951638


wow..can I ask what you paid for that sucker? I have an old Yammy 5460 from the late 90's that I use for a 2nd zone, and it sounds really good for music. It will do pcm, but only 2 ch. It decodes dts fine with my ps3 set to bitstream. Those old dsp soundfields do sound good.


There is no comparison between the 5460 and my Denon 789 for movies though. So much more channel separation and depth with the Denon during movies. I can hear sounds from movies that I've never heard before with the Yammy. I don't know if it because of some movies with the lossless audio, or the Denon is just built better for movie soundtracks. Plus it has 7.1, and I would not have my HT setup any other way...

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If your happy with the sound of it, that's all that counts...enjoy!

yes sir.. i paid a bit too much compared to other ebay recent ending auctions.. i paid 250 and the guy delivered it to me.. it was a local sale and i didnt want to wait.. i looked at all the pawn shops and no one had a receiver that would accept optical connections.. so i went with this one.. the funny thing is that there are over 335 reviews of this behemoth on audioreview.com.. it is like the most reviewed receiver so it is very much loved by many!!!


when you say you can hear sounds from movies that you havent heard before.. i thought the same when i hooked up the v995.. i was like .. damn that is what it is supposed to sound like... i will verify those ps3 settings..


the guy i bought this receiver from has 4 of them in his house!!! he loves them..

 

[hdtv47lg70]



Quote:
Originally Posted by tingham /forum/post/16951689


Yes, and it can send DD and DTS via optical when set on bitstream.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman /forum/post/16951701


All PCM via S/PDIF (optical) is limited to two channels.


HDMI allows for up to eight channels of audio, but that fact does not help you

thanks so much guys.. i am learning a ton of info tonight... i need a flowchart though..

 

[hdtv47lg70]

it took me a while to figure out what dvd/ld meant on the input selector//'!1


Laser Disc... HA!

 

[MichaelJHuman]

Laserdisc was impressive when it came out. I wonder if it was more popular in Japan? I had a friend who had a player and watched discs. It had a pretty good picture. I think it rivaled DVD. Of course DVD is much easier to store