[eameres]

As part of my quest for silver, I've read alot about the trials and tribulations with the rustoleum aluminum spray paints, but I just went on a field trip and found a few new interesting candidates. I wonder if anyone else has experimented with them:


hammered silver (a very interesting textured silver finish)

matte nickel (not as shiny as aluminum, interesting texture)

frosted glass (used as a top coat, will try in combination with others)

clear satin (should cut down on sparklies and hot spotting)


I also picked up a few variations on good old aluminum and silver to try in combination with the top coats.


My impression was that most folks trying things out went right for the aluminums w/o top coats, am I barking up any new trees?


Eric.

 

[Chriš2]

I saw the hammered silver also. It looked more glossy than the regular silver, and that stuff hotspotted like crazy. You're talking about the "Premuim Metallic" line right? (white can, says "METALLIC" in big colored letters). The problem is Rustoleum has so many different silvers and aluminums. They have the premium line I mentioned, they have the more generic looking white can with small red & black letters (says metallic silver), and I think the "High Heat" line is different also. I've heard of success with the High Heat line, I assume it must be somewhat different than the one I tried.


I saw the nickel too, it looked a little too dark but I'd like to hear results if you have it.

 

[pestario]

Are these Spraypaint cans or regular paint to be used in sprayers?

 

[eameres]

These are spraypaint cans. I can say for sure now that the hammered silver is not worth trying (because I tried it )


the matte silver and nickel are pretty interesting, the aluminum does seem over the top though.


That silverstar is really hard to get even close too! The only fault I have with it are the blacks, but I think you can probably turn the brightness way down to adjust for that.


Damn, I wish I never got that sample!


I've got more samples from da-lite coming, maybe I'll find some material in there that will float my boat (for less than the price of the 9' wide titanic!)

 

[derrick]

Hi,


Can you continue to post your results. Also, the next time you're spraying, could you spray a piece of flexible plastic or vinyl? (I'm considering attempting to come up with a silver pull-down for use instead of my fixed HCCV for daytime sports and news viewing).


I'm going to be doing some experimenting soon myself--but I'm only interested in a spraypaint that flexes enough to roll.


Good luck!

 

[eameres]

Well, I tried a few more things, and to me, matte silver shows the most promise, I guess for similar reasons that the ddog formula works so well.


I sprayed it over white cardboard "practice boards", once trying to get a really good solid coat, and once with a "mist". Both produced fairly similar results, but the misting approach hid the deficiencies in my spray technique, and limited the "blueishness" of the blacks that tends to show up in silver and gray screens (to my eye).


The matte silver definitely gives me a gain boost, but the matte finish limits the hotspotting, and improves the viewing cone.


The aluminum, even when dusted still seems to be too over the top, nickle is nice , but definitely darker than the silver.


Everytime I think I've gotten sick of the painting "bug", something keeps pulling me back!


Eric.

 

[CMRA]

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Originally posted by eameres Well, I tried a few more things, and to me, matte silver shows the most promise, I guess for similar reasons that the ddog formula works so well. Eric.

Three questions. In all your testing, have you narrowed the field to top contenders? Is Ddogs formula best so far? Will you post comparison screenshots so other members can benefit from all your efforts? Thanks, CMRA

 

[eameres]

Hi CMRA, unfortunately my ddog 1.0 screen is really more of a gray screen than a silver screen (due to my spray technique). I'm hoping to have some da-lite samples this week to add into the mix for some perspective.


I've taken to painting sample boards and trying to keep the different rounds of testing for subsequent comparisons. When I really have some time I'd like to put it together in yet another tryg style shootout (not that I really have the qualifications to claim being as definitive as Master tryg though!)


Eric.

 

[eameres]

OK, although I'm far from finished experimenting, so far to my liking the top contender is (drumroll please....) a matte silver "fog" over a semi-gloss white. Metallic silver is too sparkly, even when fogged (from a can that is), aluminum is too over the top and hotspots like mad, matte nickel is pretty good, but a little dark.


In a rolled finish, I have to give Misty Evening the nod from the paints I've tried so far. I preferred it over the behr ultra white, since it does enhance the blacks, and is more tolerant of a little bit of ambient light.


HOWEVER, if price were no object, I'd still really love a 120" diagonal Vutec silver star!


Since I'm only doing "cards" that are about 11"x17", screen shots are REALLY tough, since the camera typically adjusts for the majority of the screen which really throws off the image I'm trying to capture. If I come up with a good way to illustrate the results, I'll try to post it.


Eric.

 

[miklink]

Quote:

Originally posted by eameres As part of my quest for silver, I've read alot about the trials and tribulations with the rustoleum aluminum spray paints, but I just went on a field trip and found a few new interesting candidates. I wonder if anyone else has experimented with them: hammered silver (a very interesting textured silver finish) matte nickel (not as shiny as aluminum, interesting texture) frosted glass (used as a top coat, will try in combination with others) clear satin (should cut down on sparklies and hot spotting) I also picked up a few variations on good old aluminum and silver to try in combination with the top coats. My impression was that most folks trying things out went right for the aluminums w/o top coats, am I barking up any new trees? Eric.

Hello everyone.


I have experimented for 2 month with ddog mix and got about 30 different samples from stewart, dalite (full line of product) and vutec including 2'x2' SilverStar. Here is what I have said in one of the earlier posts: "...did noted the qualities of Rustoleum 7715 Silver Metallic - which by the way works great if you spray it (not from the can ---- oil based version of it sells in HomeDepot by quart). By the way Rustoleum aluminum metallic #7715 does not have a huge flake - same or smaller than Behr but it does hotspot, which is totally disappears after you cover it with same Rustoleum Clear Frosted Glass or Higher end Rustoleum Clear Matte (I think American Vision series) protective and not yellowing.

Even without clear matte Rustoleum is VERY close to the 2'x2' Silverstar sample I have - by gain, color vividness, whites, black levels and contrast, and it is actually better in ambient light than SilverStar." and another one -

"...The scone is 35-45 degree - about the same as SilverStar (with clear coat it looks the same even if just look at it - not projecting anything)

Clear coat has to be sprayed at 45-50 dgr. angle - very thin coat.


Oil Rustoleum has to cure for about 72 hrs - othervise it is very fragile.

I had to put 2 coats of primer with sanding between, 3 thin coats of Rustoleum 7715 (2,5 - 4 hours between the coats) with very fine 3M grade 320 contour sanding pad ( not sandpaper) + paper towel+ tack cloth finishing between coats (not the top coat), let it cure for 72 hrs and lay a final Clear matte - very thin. 1/2" Gatorboard and "techie" frame from americanframe.com worked best for my 84" screen - total came out to be just over $100 : $61 frame with delivery + $50 gatorboard +$6.98 Rustoleum 7715 (quart) + $6.59 clear matte (or you can buy $3.89 spraycanned version - no difference, just have to be more accurate when spraying)


and I spend much more on Behr ingridients while experimenting with DDOG mix...."


Try it yourself.

 

[CMRA]

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Originally posted by miklink Hello everyone. Even without clear matte Rustoleum is VERY close to the 2'x2' Silverstar sample I have - by gain, color vividness, whites, black levels and contrast, and it is actually better in ambient light than SilverStarspraying)

Now that's an attention getter! PLEASE POST SCREEN SHOTS. You absolutely have my attention!