Ok, how good does this baby upconvert?

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rboster

· #3 · May 14, 2006

THere has been a ton already discussed on this topic. You would be best served by running a search in this forum

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I did do a search but I am asking for fresh answers, this unit just came out and opinions can change rapidly.

I never understand why someone would take the time to reply to a question with a demand rather than just give an answer.

It has been proven that it takes up less bandwidth to reply to a post than have that user use the search engine.

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angelo913

· #5 · May 14, 2006

DVD upconverting only works with the HDMI port. Component video for DVD is 480p. All current releases of HD-DVD movie will output 1080i on component video but "when" protection is enabled on HD-DVD 1080p movies the output from component video will be 540p. A monitor supporting HDMI with HDCP will support full 1080i from the player.

As for DVD upconverting quality it's the BEST I've seen. Last night I watched Monsters Inc. and WOW!

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...Angelo

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jorgerod

· #6 · May 14, 2006

Really excellent upconversion. Very much an excellent player overall

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RWetmore

· #7 · May 14, 2006

Upconversion is top notch.

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QuadESL63

· #8 · May 14, 2006

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Originally Posted by Teisco
I am on the fence and wanting to get off. If this bad boy can upconvert as good as ranked sd players I might go for it.

I am now using pc, TT, FDShow via DVI to Westy 1080 37" LCD. It looks very good, if the AI can keep up than I am on.

Face it, most dvd watching will still be sd so upconverting is a big deal for now.

Better than my Denon 3910 @ 1080i. However, if I choose 720p upscaling I think the Denon looks marginally better than the A1, IMHO.

BTW, I have a 720p Panny AE700. Even with only 720p to work with I can tell the differences in PQ between both @ 1080i

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web

· #9 · May 14, 2006

The 1080i upconversion performance is a major bonus of the Toshiba HD players. I was stunned when I started viewing standard definition DVDs at 1080i using the Toshiba. The upconverted picture quality looks better than some of the HD 'lite' broadcasts that are available via some providers

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OBW, 1080i upconversion is available via component when playing 'backup' copies of DVD.

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Michael TLV

· #10 · May 14, 2006

Greetings

The Denon DVD players favour 720p for upconversion. Ditto for the Panasonic S97/77 units. The LG upconverting players are better on 1080i than 720.

The Toshiba player fails the jaggies test and the Video on film test from the DVD benchmark disc. It also has the CUE ... chroma bug.

The above 4 dvd players all pass the Benchmark tests and do not exhibit the chroma bug.

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PFC5

· #11 · May 14, 2006

It does not have the Chroma bug and only failed ONE (Bad Edit) test of the deinterlacing tests at Secrets. Here is the link:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-b...%20(Component)

Here is a quote from the review:

"I wasnâ€™t able to figure out what de-interlacer the HD-A1 is using, but I will say it is better than any other Toshiba player Iâ€™ve tested in the past. In fact, the only test it couldnâ€™t pass was our Bad Edits test. I use the â€œMaking of the Big Lebowskiâ€ intro for this test, and combing was quite evident throughout the clip. I also used a test clip from Faroudja, and I saw the same thing there. Otherwise, the player did extremely well with all of our cadence tests, including 2-2. The recovery time of the player when transitioning between film and video is a tad slow but not any slower than the Faroudja-based players Iâ€™ve tested.

The MPEG decoder also seems to be quite good. The player passed all of our chroma tests with the exception of the normal 4:2:0 ICP test which requires chroma filtering to pass. There wasnâ€™t even the slightest hint of the Chroma Bug (CUE) in our rather grueling Fish Test patterns. The rest of the core section was pretty good as well, I only saw two pixels cropped on the left side of the image, and there was no Y/C delay at all."

I tried the LG418 and the PQ and SQ didn't even equal my 5 year old 480p JVC. It pushes green like every video product LG makes. I didn't try the other 3 truly highly rated upscalers you listed, but many many people say the Toshiba HD-A1/XA1 was either as good to many saying it was a lot better than those very highly rated Denon, and Panasonic players.

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Michael TLV

· #12 · May 15, 2006

Greetings

I don't care what their test said. I ran the tests myself and it failed.

ditto for the chroma bug ... it's there, but it is not as severe as on other dvd players I have seen.

Run the test yourself and see ... don't just quote reviews.

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Alan225

· #13 · May 15, 2006

I guess I'm not up on the lingo and not as "techie" as some here. I don't know what a Chroma bug is, all I know is the A1 gives an absolutely spectacular in-depth, sharp picture on my Sony 60-inch LCOD set. I get a WOW picture even on regular DVDs.

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jocktheglide

· #14 · May 15, 2006

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Originally Posted by Teisco
I am on the fence and wanting to get off. If this bad boy can upconvert as good as ranked sd players I might go for it.

I am now using pc, TT, FDShow via DVI to Westy 1080 37" LCD. It looks very good, if the AI can keep up than I am on.

Face it, most dvd watching will still be sd so upconverting is a big deal for now.

lets put it this way my sony ES DVD player 9100ES (cost 1200 just a DVD player) the toshiba I feel (could be wrong) did a better if not just as good job as the sony one I sold my sony one 1200 dollars vs a 800 HD dvd player that upconverts also I rather take HD

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DavidHir

· #15 · May 15, 2006

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Originally Posted by Michael TLV
Greetings

The Denon DVD players favour 720p for upconversion. Ditto for the Panasonic S97/77 units. The LG upconverting players are better on 1080i than 720.

The Toshiba player fails the jaggies test and the Video on film test from the DVD benchmark disc. It also has the CUE ... chroma bug.

The above 4 dvd players all pass the Benchmark tests and do not exhibit the chroma bug.

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Where do you check for the chroma bug on the HQV disc?

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cpcat

· #16 · May 15, 2006

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Originally Posted by Michael TLV
Greetings

The Denon DVD players favour 720p for upconversion. Ditto for the Panasonic S97/77 units. The LG upconverting players are better on 1080i than 720.

The Toshiba player fails the jaggies test and the Video on film test from the DVD benchmark disc. It also has the CUE ... chroma bug.

The above 4 dvd players all pass the Benchmark tests and do not exhibit the chroma bug.

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I think it's important to mention what display you used as well as at what output resolution the player was set when you performed the tests on the HQV disc, otherwise the result is meaningless.

Are you assuming that everyone knows that 480p, 720p output tests the player while 480i/1080i output tests the display? I think you should be more specific about this.

It's well known that the 720p output on the A1 is effectively broken. The 1080i output is excellent though if your display has adequate 1080i processing.

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Michael TLV

· #17 · May 15, 2006

Greetings

The Toshiba is set at 1080 of course. No sense using 720 there.

The display is a 50" plasma running at 1368 x 768 resolution. 1080i from the LG 7832 passes these tests ... 1080i from the Toshiba fails the two I mentioned. (A Toshiba DVR upconverting dvd player at 720 and 1080 both fail the tests as well.)

CUE is determined elsewhere ... not with the Benchmark program. Lots of test material out there with plenty of reds to test it on.

Does that make the Toshiba a poor upconverting unit? Of course not. It falls into the category of good to very good in my book. Just not good enough compared to the other units here so I will leave the SD stuff to the dedicated units.

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DavidHir

· #18 · May 15, 2006

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Originally Posted by Michael TLV
Greetings

The Toshiba is set at 1080 of course. No sense using 720 there.

The display is a 50" plasma running at 1368 x 768 resolution. 1080i from the LG 7832 passes these tests ... 1080i from the Toshiba fails the two I mentioned. (A Toshiba DVR upconverting dvd player at 720 and 1080 both fail the tests as well.)

CUE is determined elsewhere ... not with the Benchmark program. Lots of test material out there with plenty of reds to test it on.

Does that make the Toshiba a poor upconverting unit? Of course not. It falls into the category of good to very good in my book. Just not good enough compared to the other units here so I will leave the SD stuff to the dedicated units.

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What disc did you use to test for Chroma??

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cpcat

· #19 · May 15, 2006

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Originally Posted by Michael TLV
Greetings

The Toshiba is set at 1080 of course. No sense using 720 there.

The display is a 50" plasma running at 1368 x 768 resolution. 1080i from the LG 7832 passes these tests ... 1080i from the Toshiba fails the two I mentioned. (A Toshiba DVR upconverting dvd player at 720 and 1080 both fail the tests as well.)

That means to me that your display is doing a poorer job of deinterlacing/IVT on the 1080i signal for whatever reason. It may do IVT by flags instead of 3:2 detection or maybe it switches from video to film mode poorly. Do you have a film/video mode on your display and was it on/off? 1080i output tests the display, not the player.

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Michael TLV

· #20 · May 15, 2006

greetings

My favorites ... Toy Story ... Hero ... Panasonic Demonstration Disc (not sure if it has a designation.)

The demo opening is fun as these colored letters show up across the screen over top this girl in a bikini at sunset. They are a tell tale sign of things to come ... especially the red colored letters.

Regards

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