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First time post, first time taking the home theater plunge.


I'm having difficulty deciding between two models... what makes this my situation unique is that one model is much older than the other.


Planar PD7150 (released Aug 2006, original MSRP of $6k), I currently own a broken Planar PD7060 and the manufacturer is willing to exchange it with the PD7150 for $700


Or should I choose the newer Optoma HD20 (released Aug 2009) for $800.


I have a dedicated room with full lighting control, but have light surfaces in the room (light gray carpet and very large closet with white doors on the left side of the room). Viewing from a 9' distance on a 85" screen.


I'm looking for the best quality experience possible, is the newer, 1080p Optoma HD20 going to be a better choice over the higher quality, older 720p model?


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Speaking only from experience of one who owns a high end 720p projector, I would probably go with 1080 depending on all the normal factors (screen size, seating distance). I have a Digital Projection Titan HD-250 3 chip DLP (720p model) with TheaterScope option (ISCO III) and my screen is 16 feet wide (in scope mode). That is on the extreme end and I would probably be better off going down to 14 foot wide or so. Having said that, I do find myself wishing I had more pixels up there when I sit closer to the screen than normal, 'cause I can see the grid on some scenes. Normal viewing distance (25 - 30 feet) and I am usually quite satisfied. I do defocus ever so slightly. However, given the option I would love to have a 1080p projector in the same setup. But having 3 chip DLP, if I did go the 1080p route, it would have to be another 3 chipper and financially, that just isn't something I can do anytime soon. Just my 2c
 

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It really depends on the size of your screen and what 2 projectors you are comparing. Of the 2 you mentioned, the Planar has the better picture IMO, but will have a little more visable pixel structure. Depending on your seating distance, this issue may be irrelavent. I've owned many projectors over the years and I learned that just because it's 1080p, doesn't mean it has a better picture. For example, IMO, the Samsung ae710 and Sharp 12000 II through a better picture than my Panasonic 3000 at my viewing distance (12 feet back with 120" screen).
 

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Speaking of my experience of owning a high end 720p projector (Sim2 C3X) I would say it's not clear at all that 1080p would be better. Resolution is just one aspect of the image; there are many others that are just as important if not more so.


As a calibrator, I have had many 1080p projectors in my home theater for calibration, and I consider very few of them better than what I have. If you sit where you can see the pixel structure, and it bothers you, then 1080p is required. If not, it's a judgement call depending upon the specific projectors you are considering.


I have an RS50 on order to try out. I expect I'll have to replace my 1.3 gain screen for it to be satisfactory to me, and I'm somewhat concerned if the sharpness will be good enough for me, but we'll see.
 

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Something like a JVC RS1 will pretty much destroy all but the most seriously high end 720p projectors , the later models would be even less of a fair fight.
 

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I sold my Panasonic AE3000 to make room for my new RS40. Not having a projector for a month made me look into a cheap solution. I bought a 720p Marantz VP8600 for $320. I must admit, its sharper and HDTV and sports look much better on my Marantz than my Panasonic that I paid 8x the amount for. The only thing that I think it does better is blu ray disc. But not by far, if I had the choice between my panny at $2400 and the Marantz at $300, it would be the Marantz which also have a 4000 lamp life on high power compared to 2000 by the panny.
 

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It's not a good comparison to use AE3000 imho, as that projector isn't sharp at all.

Quite a mediocre projector overall actually...The AE4000 is as good the AE2000 was supposed to be.

Again imho.


So I perfectly understand you prefer your old High End 720punits.


Instead, I think you need one of the sharper Epsons (if you insist using a LCD that is)

But I think HC4000 is a more interesting projector comparing with as that is a sharp, new budget DLP!

Anyone?
 

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I had a choice between a hd20 and a sim2 domino d10 I went with the sim2. If you had a choice between a new Toyota or a slightly old Lexus what would you get? The picture will be much better on the used one better processing and internal parts. Unless you have a huge issue with seeing pixels which I see none from 12ft away on 100" screen with my sim2. Good luck!
 

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I don't want to sound like an ass, but if you're asking about sub-$1K projectors and 720p, you probably should be looking/asking in the under $3K section of AVS for opinions. You'll get answers from people more familiar with PJs in that MSRP price range.
 

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I don't want to sound like an ass, but if you're asking about sub-$1K projectors and 720p, you probably should be looking/asking in the under $3K section of AVS for opinions. You'll get answers from people more familiar with PJs in that MSRP price range.
To be fair I think he is interested in comparing models whose RRP would have put them originally into the higher category. As someone else says I think he's more interested in seeing if he can get an old lexus for the price of a new vanilla toyaota.
 

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The Infocus IN76 is not a high end 720p PJ, but I preferred sports over the Sony HW10 in terms of rich color and vividness. However, the Sony is smoother and has definitely better contrast when I watch movies.


In terms of DLP vs. DLP, the Mitus hc3800 is comparable to the IN76 in terms of contrast and noise level. The IN76 has no light spill and the color (flesh tone) is even better than the 3800. May even has a tad less RBE for some unknown reason, since they're both 4x wheel speed. 1080p does bring out additional details and smoothness that the IN76 lacks.


Overall, I'll take the JVC RS2 any day but it costs a lot more than any of these, despite the noise and color "accuracy".


Like cars or any purchase, we can only pick our own "optimal" solution.
 

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The HD20 is brighter in best mode, has better resolution, has a 4000 hour lamp, and is a new model with an HDMI input, plus a new warranty.


I would say the old PD7150 isn't worth more than $500 with a warranty. Without a warranty I think $400 would be my top price.


The PD7150 probably has slightly better color and blacks, but not by much. The new 1080p chips are better than the older ones in many cases.


Go for the new machine over the old for the asking price.
 

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Originally Posted by stevenjw /forum/post/19606867


I don't want to sound like an ass, but if you're asking about sub-$1K projectors and 720p, you probably should be looking/asking in the under $3K section of AVS for opinions. You'll get answers from people more familiar with PJs in that MSRP price range.

Since he is talking about projectors that sold new for way more than $3,000 he is in the right place. Many of the people in the + $3,000 threads have owned these projectors. Few in the - $3,000 threads have owned them. A lot of the people in the - $3,000 thread (not all) think that all 1080P is better than 720P and that is not the case. The lens and the processing is just as important, especially if you are talking about 1.5 x viewing distance or more.
 

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Yep, viewing distance is probably the biggest factor for resolution. I sit at 1.2-1.3 times my screen's width, and I would never go back to 720p.
 

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Having seen many 720p and 1080p projectors, I think it comes down to personal preference. I currently have a Sharp 12k MK II, one of the best 720p projectors available. A good friend of mine has an Epson Pro Cinema 1080. I've seen both of them in good viewing conditions on similar sized screens and I honestly don't have a preference. The Epson certainly shows more detail on quality HD content, but the Sharp is substantially more dynamic on mixed bright/dark scenes.


If you can, look at both projectors before buying. I don't know much about the 7150, but you may find that the better optics and larger DLP chip of the Planar result in an image you prefer over the Optoma. Your viewing distance is long enough that the pixel structure of 720p is unlikely to be distracting and the benefits of 1080p might not be glaringly evident.


There are other factors to consider as well. The build quality of high end PJs is substantially superior to their lower end brethren. Things like die-cast aluminum chassis contribute to durability in high end machines which are lacking in low end ones. How long will you keep it? Add to that the fact that Optoma has a less than stellar history of building reliable machines.


Good luck, and don't listen to those who say 720p is dead. At lower price points it can be entirely reasonable to give up resolution in favor of other benefits.
 

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The fact that there is a debate about an "old" high end vs a new low end projector let's us know the wonderful and fast progress that is being made.


Either way, the bottom line is that for less than $1200 you can get a nice 110"+ image that your neighbors with puny 60" LCDs will envy!
 

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I also own a Planar PD7130. Nearly identical projector to the PD7150. It is a good projector, but not near the projector of a Marantz VP12S4 or Sharp 12000 MK II. Projectors like those were built to last. As what I and another poster said, build quality is important to some of us. A projector is not too enjoyable if you are having to repeatedly send it in for repairs.
 

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Well it looks like I may be able to test this out first hand. Our non-profit is building a video editing suite and will employ an LG CF181D lcos due to it's brightness and ability to accept a native 1080/24fps source (thanks LG!!) and this is a $2499 list price projector. I am eager to see how it compares to my $20,000 plus DPI Titan HD250 720p 3 chipper. I am prepared to be surprised but understand that technology tends to get better and cheaper over time so I will post my opinions and some pics. I don't anticipate the new projector until middle of January at the earliest. I wonder if I will be purchasing a unit for my personal room or sticking with my Titan.
 

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I've been thinking the same thing about the older 720P "high end" units versus the new 1080P units.


For example right now there are some great deals on 3 chip 720P units, Runco vx-2cx, Sim2 C3X, Infocus SP777 can all be had for around $3,500. On the 1080P side you can get an Infocus SP8602 or JVC RS25 (non dlp) for about the same amount.


Are there people who have seen any of these side by side? If so which has the better picture? Is your answer different if it was on a 120in diagonal perforated screen in a partially light controlled room with 50/50 sports to moves?
 
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