After spending about a week tweaking my new onkyo tx-nr5009 with setup in signature, realized i need a actual sub or two small subs. I'm happy with my deftech 8020 towers and 8040 center. But I'm missing out on the real low frequencies. My powered 8020's are only getting down to about 40hz according to Audyssey and I rather just leave them be as good towers with the xover at 80 on them. So, being I have XT32, my choice is get two smaller subs or just get one larger sub and put it in the corner of the room. Room is a open family room, figure 16' x 22' in the actual listening area. I used to run a 12" Infinity BU-1? in the corner with my Beta 50 towers and it sounded pretty darn good. Trying to do this on a budget of some sort. There is a local guy on craigslist selling two Klipsch 12" Synergy subs for $600. Actually found a post for a 6mo old Definitive Trinity tower for 1,200. Let's see what you guys think. Instinct is telling me to try and get the Deftech Trinity tower for 800-1k if it's a real post and checks out.
On the market for sub(s) - Need some guidance & input
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If you want to spend that kind of money on a used sub, I would say go for a Rythmik FV15 or HSU VTF-15, money wisely spent. I have an FV15 and it just blows me away!
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When it was first introduced the Trinity was one of the better commercial (not Internet Direct) subwoofers. Now there are more choices.
The Trinity has a lot of moving parts. With 2 active drivers and 4 passive radiators that's a lot of moving parts. I checked and the warranty is not transferable so I would most likely skip the Trinity for the Rythmik FV-15 HP.
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The Trinity has a lot of moving parts. With 2 active drivers and 4 passive radiators that's a lot of moving parts. I checked and the warranty is not transferable so I would most likely skip the Trinity for the Rythmik FV-15 HP.
Is this your Infinity sub ? If so, then the HSU VTF-3 MK4, SVS PB12-NSD, Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX, or Epik Legend are all great value Internet direct vendor subs that are a significant improvement in both SPL (volume output) and low frequency extension (a plus for HT usage) over the Infinity you had. Two of them would be incredible in comparison to that single Infinity if you want dual subs.
I'd stay away from the 12" Synergy subs since Newegg often puts the Klipsch RW-12D on sale on average of once or twice a month for $300 (last sale was yesterday--subscribe to their mailing list). And the RW-12D is also an improvement in SPL and low frequency extension over that Infinity.
I'd stay away from the 12" Synergy subs since Newegg often puts the Klipsch RW-12D on sale on average of once or twice a month for $300 (last sale was yesterday--subscribe to their mailing list). And the RW-12D is also an improvement in SPL and low frequency extension over that Infinity.
^thanks for the heads up on the Synergy deal. Craigslist guy is overpriced by far then. As for my Infinity... mine was a lot older than that one. It was a early 2000's I bought off craigslist for $100 a couple years ago. I sold it for $80 when I got my sold my Beta 50 towers and got my DefTech BP-8020's thinking I didn't really need a sub. I guess lets say the budget is $800.
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Did some looking around and the Klipsch subs only get down into the mid 20's. The Deftech subs seem to have good specs. Ebay has quite a few NIB deftech subs. some of the older going out models and some of the newer models. I think I'm just going to buy one that suites me at a good price. Any reason not to go with a deftech sub? Any inherint issues?
Def Tech often overrates the specs on their subs. For instance, the SuperCube 4000 is rated at 16Hz - 200Hz . But here's what it actually does .
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Wow. Hence why I really wanted the Trinity or reference sub from Deftech. Other than that the 12" High powered Klipsch looks like a good bang for the buck.
Amazon has 2 NIB Deftech SuperCube I's. for $838 to the door. Phased out model.... the 6,000 is taking it's place I believe. But still, the older larger unit is a better buy IMO. Seriously debating buying one.
Amazon has 2 NIB Deftech SuperCube I's. for $838 to the door. Phased out model.... the 6,000 is taking it's place I believe. But still, the older larger unit is a better buy IMO. Seriously debating buying one.
Research the SVS PB12-NSD before buying the SuperCube. Here is a review: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/pb12-nsd . I'd bet on the SVS to be the better sub.
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$1,000 for a used Trinity is a hell of a deal. Pretty much double the output of the Reference from a displacement standpoint anyway. I bought my Supercube Reference for $1,650 last year and haven't really had much of a chance to enjoy it between deployments. Since you have Audyssey I would say that you would be happy with their products. They can sound boomy on some content, so I recently ordered an SMS-1 to even out the bass response Reference. It will play 20Hz with authority, but if you try to push it below that, you just get compression. The specs are definitely inflated.
My SMS-1 should be in today, but my HT is in shambles because I’m having some renovations done. Give me a week and I’ll report back to you on if the SMS made a difference. If the SMS can make a difference with this product, then I know XT32 will serve you well!
Regardless, I’ve been given permission to upgrade so the Def Tech is going to be for sale really soon (as soon as parts express re-stocks some more LMS Ultra’s) or it might go in the den where I am moving our plasma to make way for the projector.
It has a small form factor and a huge WAF, but I agree with others regarding there being more bang for the buck out there. Have you checked out CraigSub’s Subwoofer Comparison ? It has the Trinity in the Top 10 of what was available back in 2008. If you can scoop one up for $1,200 you would still be getting a deal in my opinion. Hell, I’m going to try to sell my mint condition Reference for $1,200. (I know
My SMS-1 should be in today, but my HT is in shambles because I’m having some renovations done. Give me a week and I’ll report back to you on if the SMS made a difference. If the SMS can make a difference with this product, then I know XT32 will serve you well!
Regardless, I’ve been given permission to upgrade so the Def Tech is going to be for sale really soon (as soon as parts express re-stocks some more LMS Ultra’s) or it might go in the den where I am moving our plasma to make way for the projector.
It has a small form factor and a huge WAF, but I agree with others regarding there being more bang for the buck out there. Have you checked out CraigSub’s Subwoofer Comparison ? It has the Trinity in the Top 10 of what was available back in 2008. If you can scoop one up for $1,200 you would still be getting a deal in my opinion. Hell, I’m going to try to sell my mint condition Reference for $1,200. (I know
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I agree. SVS would be the better option.
Several others would be better as well... I don't know why I sugar coated my last posting. If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't have bought the Def Tech for what I paid for it. If you have the space I know you would be thrilled with the Rythmik FV15HP. I was considering the FV15HP before I decided the exploration of the
I agree. SVS would be the better option.
Several others would be better as well... I don't know why I sugar coated my last posting. If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't have bought the Def Tech for what I paid for it. If you have the space I know you would be thrilled with the Rythmik FV15HP. I was considering the FV15HP before I decided the exploration of the
The Super Cube I is nothing special. The $189 Energy S10.3 performs better.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvieXs2IbzIfdFB1dVFtLW5HeF9yb1o2TjIyU2F1Unc&hl=en_US#gid=0
The S10.3 is on line number 81 while the Super Cube I is on line number 104.
The Super Cube I is nothing special. The $189 Energy S10.3 performs better.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvieXs2IbzIfdFB1dVFtLW5HeF9yb1o2TjIyU2F1Unc&hl=en_US#gid=0
The S10.3 is on line number 81 while the Super Cube I is on line number 104.
I really doubt that the s10.3 is going to have more output than the Supercube 1. There are a lot of contradictions on that list, so I wouldn't take it as gospel. While the Supercube 1 isn't a great bang for the buck sub, it ought to have to pretty decent output above 50 hz.
Thanks for the input guys. I'm going to pass on the Deftech subs. So now I have Klipsch SW-115 on my list plus the ones mentioned above ^.
Edit: Down to the VTF-15H or the SW-115. Not much price difference between the two and the VTF seems to be of better build quality. Hell it just looks better built. and it's better reviewed. Going to keep doing some research on both units.
Edit 2: Ok, pretty much sold on the HSU VTF-15H
Edit: Down to the VTF-15H or the SW-115. Not much price difference between the two and the VTF seems to be of better build quality. Hell it just looks better built. and it's better reviewed. Going to keep doing some research on both units.
Edit 2: Ok, pretty much sold on the HSU VTF-15H
Check out this shootout review that includes the VTF-15H. Then you'll really be convinced
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1313176
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1313176
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Haha, yeah it's funny how someone serious about solid output 20Hz and below starts with a $800 budget and it quickly climbs to $3K+...lol
I bought the Supercube Reference before I really started to spend a lot of time on AVS. Definitive Technology is definitely a mass marketed brand. For the form factor / small footprint I think it gives decent output. The reference is under 17" cubed, so it's compact and potent for the most part. It satisfied the itch for awhile until we moved and I was given my own dedicated HT space!
In my search for more I was initially leaning heavily toward the old Epik Conquest, but since I missed that boat by about 4 years (I think the quit producing them in 08'or so?) I would have had to purchase them used off of someone looking to get rid of them. It has a really large footprint, but I was still willing to purchase a pair if I could find a seller. I was asking around the forum about the Conquest and Edogg shot me a PM about his old Conquest and what he was upgrading too. Intro the TC Sounds LMS Ultra... Between Edogg , Notnyt and lukeamdman's systems I was sold! Especially luke's sick video of his Ultra's in action.
To each their own, but I personally had to have a piece of that action. I will be ordering two as soon as parts express has them back in stock. My space is under 1,400 cubic feet and based on what I have researched, a pair of Ultras are going to pressurize it nicely... =)
Hopefully satisfying that itch I'm having trouble getting rid of...
Regarding your comments about being sold on the VTF-15H, checkout this Shootout comparing it against the Empire, CHT 18.1, Rythmik FV15 and the eD A7s-450. I’ve linked you to the post where the thread starter agreed with me that if “if you really want to reach the lower octaves I would invest the money…into something that could get you close now,” which is a direct reference to the Ultra's.
If you think the VTF-15H will satisfy you for years to come and you won't be itching for an upgrade in a few years, then go for it. If not, I suggest you do yourself a favor now by purchasing something that will give you the headroom you may think you will need in the future, vs having to make another purchase or upgrade.
Haha, yeah it's funny how someone serious about solid output 20Hz and below starts with a $800 budget and it quickly climbs to $3K+...lol
I bought the Supercube Reference before I really started to spend a lot of time on AVS. Definitive Technology is definitely a mass marketed brand. For the form factor / small footprint I think it gives decent output. The reference is under 17" cubed, so it's compact and potent for the most part. It satisfied the itch for awhile until we moved and I was given my own dedicated HT space!
In my search for more I was initially leaning heavily toward the old Epik Conquest, but since I missed that boat by about 4 years (I think the quit producing them in 08'or so?) I would have had to purchase them used off of someone looking to get rid of them. It has a really large footprint, but I was still willing to purchase a pair if I could find a seller. I was asking around the forum about the Conquest and Edogg shot me a PM about his old Conquest and what he was upgrading too. Intro the TC Sounds LMS Ultra... Between Edogg , Notnyt and lukeamdman's systems I was sold! Especially luke's sick video of his Ultra's in action.
To each their own, but I personally had to have a piece of that action. I will be ordering two as soon as parts express has them back in stock. My space is under 1,400 cubic feet and based on what I have researched, a pair of Ultras are going to pressurize it nicely... =)
Hopefully satisfying that itch I'm having trouble getting rid of...
Regarding your comments about being sold on the VTF-15H, checkout this Shootout comparing it against the Empire, CHT 18.1, Rythmik FV15 and the eD A7s-450. I’ve linked you to the post where the thread starter agreed with me that if “if you really want to reach the lower octaves I would invest the money…into something that could get you close now,” which is a direct reference to the Ultra's.
If you think the VTF-15H will satisfy you for years to come and you won't be itching for an upgrade in a few years, then go for it. If not, I suggest you do yourself a favor now by purchasing something that will give you the headroom you may think you will need in the future, vs having to make another purchase or upgrade.
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