[knight_40k]

Ok, so here's what I'm looking for...


- XT32

- SubEQ HT

- 9.X / 11.X Ch

- Audyssey DSX

- AC3 Support for Dolby playback on MKV Files via XBMC HTPC (This is a MUST....seems my 707 does not have this but my Dads 709 does)

- Assignable 12V Trigger on main zone (optional, but would be nice... for the life of me I can't figure out why Onkyo never offers this)


The title is not totally accurate, with closeout pricing in mind I am looking at the 1009 and 3009 as well as the 818, 3010 and 4311. I'm either going cheapest 9ch I can find or straight to 11ch.


I know the 3010 and 4311 offer 11ch, and the 4311 is the only one that offers 12V main zone. I also know the 818 does not offer SubEQ HT and requires an external amp to run 9ch (non-issue, I have Parasound 275). I thought XT32 and SubEQ HT were a package, why would I want XT32 without SubEQ HT? I do not really care for any of the other features, to be honest I am pretty content with my 707 except for the lack of AC3 and my want of 9/11ch. I'm told the video processing in the 818 is superior to the 4311 but coming from a 707, any of these would be an upgrade right?


So the big issue is the not yet released 3010 and why I should pick it over the 4311? And forgive my ignorance but it seems the 4311 is still top dog since Onkyo is only now catching up to its feature set 2yrs later.


Also, whats so good about DTS NEO:X vs DSX?

 

[Bill Mac]

I recently bought the 4311 as the 3009 which I was also considering was more money. At the close out prices of the 4311 and the many positive reviews from 4311 owners (myself included) I would go with the 4311. I would tend to believe the 3010 will be much more expensive than the 4311 when it is released. The prices will definitely come down but I doubt they will hit $1300 (4311 close out pricing) for some time. As far as the 12v trigger on the Onkyo AVRs it is a PITA for sure. But if you have a universal remote such as a Harmony you program it to power up and power down Zone2 to activate the 12v trigger. I agree that the way Onkyo has the 12v triggers setup on their AVRs makes no sense at all.


Bill

 

[KidHorn]

I think the the only advantage of the 3010 is it supports 11 channel Neo:X and audyssey dsx while the 4311 only supports audyssey dsx.


I don't know which is better, but I would guess there's not much difference. Having the ability to choose can't hurt.


You may want to add the Denon 4520 to your list. It has a similar feature set to the 3010. It won't be available until sometime this fall.


The 4311 is by far the best for the $.

 

[joerod]

The Onkyo models mentioned have superior video processing which might be more important for cable and satellite sources.

 

[mastermaybe]

HDMI to the second zone is great too.


I just wish you could push HDMI to a third or at least 2 channel PCM from SPDIF. I'd hate to have to implement some goofy workaround to send my appletv music to a third zone seeing it (like many newer devices) lacks analog outs.


I really thought Onkyo would finally match Denon in this category with these new, hi-end models.


James

 

[nismo604]



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Originally Posted by Bill Mac  /t/1418005/onkyo-3010-vs-denon-4311#post_22176931


I recently bought the 4311 as the 3009 which I was also considering was more money. At the close out prices of the 4311 and the many positive reviews from 4311 owners (myself included) I would go with the 4311. I would tend to believe the 3010 will be much more expensive than the 4311 when it is released. The prices will definitely come down but I doubt they will hit $1300 (4311 close out pricing) for some time. As far as the 12v trigger on the Onkyo AVRs it is a PITA for sure. But if you have a universal remote such as a Harmony you program it to power up and power down Zone2 to activate the 12v trigger. I agree that the way Onkyo has the 12v triggers setup on their AVRs makes no sense at all.

Bill

I think they want you to step up to their Integra line for that.

 

[Bill Mac]



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Originally Posted by nismo604  /t/1418005/onkyo-3010-vs-denon-4311#post_22292537


I think they want you to step up to their Integra line for that.

That could be true. But I certainly would not spend the additional money for a comparable Integra just to get 12V triggers that are setup correctly.


Bill