Onkyo 989 vs. Denon AVC-A11SR (4802) : which one should I buy?
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I purchased a Denon 4802 and within 3 days I exchanged it for an Integra 8.2 (same as 989).
I Denon was very thin and shallow sounding and horrible with stereo music.
This is only my opinion. As always Listen for your self and buy what sounds best to you.
I Denon was very thin and shallow sounding and horrible with stereo music.
This is only my opinion. As always Listen for your self and buy what sounds best to you.
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Thanks for your information, but this receiver only for playing movies.(surround soundtrack).
As for music listening I have dedicated audio gear.
Will Onkyo better than Denon?
| Originally posted by HTMAN21 I purchased a Denon 4802 and within 3 days I exchanged it for an Integra 8.2 (same as 989). I Denon was very thin and shallow sounding and horrible with stereo music. This is only my opinion. As always Listen for your self and buy what sounds best to you. |
As for music listening I have dedicated audio gear.
Will Onkyo better than Denon?
Can you audition them before deciding?
If not then between these two I'd say flip a coin. I do not like the low to mid level Onkyo's but the high end products are excellent. Denon seems very consistent throughout the model range.
There, I just flipped a coin for you...Onkyo won!
If not then between these two I'd say flip a coin. I do not like the low to mid level Onkyo's but the high end products are excellent. Denon seems very consistent throughout the model range.
There, I just flipped a coin for you...Onkyo won!
In my previous post I meant that the Denon was shallow and thin in HT and even worse with music. It bordered on being bright and fatigueing.
IMO the Integra is very detailed with lots of depth. It has more of a theater sound and does quite well with music.
For what it is worth the Integra/Onkyo lines do not seem to have the power output as their advertised ratings. Neither did the Denon. I am not saying that they are under powered, only that the advertised ratings seem to be over stated.
As an example I placed a Kenwood 6070 ($600) in my system and it sounded more powerful, detailed and enveloping.
IMO the Integra is very detailed with lots of depth. It has more of a theater sound and does quite well with music.
For what it is worth the Integra/Onkyo lines do not seem to have the power output as their advertised ratings. Neither did the Denon. I am not saying that they are under powered, only that the advertised ratings seem to be over stated.
As an example I placed a Kenwood 6070 ($600) in my system and it sounded more powerful, detailed and enveloping.
I have the AVC A11SR and can't believe what i'm reading.
The AVC A11SR is great for music and surround.
I have not heard the other mentioned, so they can be better for all i know.
The power rating stated by Denon is actuelly lower than Home Cinema Choice measured in their review:
"LAB RESULTS
Manufacturer's rated output: 7x 125W (0.05% THD, 8ohms, 20Hz-20kHz)
Measured power output @ 1kHz:
166.2W (8ohms, 0.77% THD)
Fidelity firewall: 156.0W @ 0.03% THD (8ohms, 1kHz)
Distortion @ 50W: 0.001% (8ohms, 1KHz)
Frequency response: 20Hz-20kHz ±0.43dB"
Take a look here: http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/index.html
and here: http://www.whatvideotv.com/testbench/index.html
The AVC A11SR is great for music and surround.
I have not heard the other mentioned, so they can be better for all i know.
The power rating stated by Denon is actuelly lower than Home Cinema Choice measured in their review:
"LAB RESULTS
Manufacturer's rated output: 7x 125W (0.05% THD, 8ohms, 20Hz-20kHz)
Measured power output @ 1kHz:
166.2W (8ohms, 0.77% THD)
Fidelity firewall: 156.0W @ 0.03% THD (8ohms, 1kHz)
Distortion @ 50W: 0.001% (8ohms, 1KHz)
Frequency response: 20Hz-20kHz ±0.43dB"
Take a look here: http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/index.html
and here: http://www.whatvideotv.com/testbench/index.html
Magking,
I only stated that my Denon did not sound as if it was producing it's rated power. I have no means of testing it's power output. It absolutely lacked punch in the bass. I expect more from 125 watts. Read the Jan 02 review by Secrets of Home Theater & High Fidelity on epinions.com. Their opinion is basically the same as mine. In my experience power is not the only factor in achieving quality sound so it may have been something else.
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I have not heard the other mentioned, so they can be better for all i know.
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I have owned and therefore heard the others and preferred them but this is irrevelant to your choice. All that matters is if you are satisfied with your choice. Isn't that what matters most?
Sound is subjective to the listener.
I ws only relating my experience and had no intent to offend anyone.
Enjoy.
I only stated that my Denon did not sound as if it was producing it's rated power. I have no means of testing it's power output. It absolutely lacked punch in the bass. I expect more from 125 watts. Read the Jan 02 review by Secrets of Home Theater & High Fidelity on epinions.com. Their opinion is basically the same as mine. In my experience power is not the only factor in achieving quality sound so it may have been something else.
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I have not heard the other mentioned, so they can be better for all i know.
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I have owned and therefore heard the others and preferred them but this is irrevelant to your choice. All that matters is if you are satisfied with your choice. Isn't that what matters most?
Sound is subjective to the listener.
I ws only relating my experience and had no intent to offend anyone.
Enjoy.
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The AVC-A11SR is a AMP. and the 4802 is a Receiver, beside the tuner
there is no differece between them.
Another thing is why are everybuddy compering Onkyo's no.1 to Denon's
no.2 Price difference in Denmark is about $ 2000. between AVC-A11SR and AVC-A1SR (4802 and 5803 ) and the 989 cost about $ 150. more than the 5803 but that may be different in the US.
Have fun
MIK
| Originally posted by eieio how come there are so many model numbers for the same unit? |
The AVC-A11SR is a AMP. and the 4802 is a Receiver, beside the tuner
there is no differece between them.
Another thing is why are everybuddy compering Onkyo's no.1 to Denon's
no.2 Price difference in Denmark is about $ 2000. between AVC-A11SR and AVC-A1SR (4802 and 5803 ) and the 989 cost about $ 150. more than the 5803 but that may be different in the US.
Have fun
MIK
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A quote from http://www.homecinemachoice.com/test...nAVC-A11SR.php
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I personally dislike LCD touch panel remotes anyway
| Originally posted by DKMIK The AVC-A11SR is a AMP. and the 4802 is a Receiver, beside the tuner there is no differece between them. |
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The only things lacking are THX Ultra II, an AC-3 RF input, trigger outputs and a decent remote, the last two omissions are annoying when you realise that the American AVR-4802 equivalent ships with trigger terminals, the recently enhanced AKTIS RC-8000 LCD touch panel remote and an integral tuner. |
I personally dislike LCD touch panel remotes anyway
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AVC-A11SR in my country have THX 2 processing, the set-up menu inside the same like 5803(AVC-A1SR).
| Originally posted by DKMIK The AVC-A11SR is a AMP. and the 4802 is a Receiver, beside the tuner there is no differece between them. |
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Sorry i should have looked into that before i wrote. But then the price
Difference can't be that big, becouse them "THX" stickers are the pricey
part off them, or am i wrong about that too.
| Originally posted by Bubun AVC-A11SR in my country have THX 2 processing, the set-up menu inside the same like 5803(AVC-A1SR). |
Difference can't be that big, becouse them "THX" stickers are the pricey
part off them, or am i wrong about that too.
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ONKYO's test from www.homecinemachoice.com September 2000
AUDIO ANALYSIS
Manufacturers rated output : 130W per channel 8ohms 0.05% THD
HCC measured output at onset of clipping : 141W at 1.84%
HCC Fidelity Firewall :116.79W at 0.015%
Frequency response 25Hz-25KHz : +/- 1dB
In the lab, this receiver exceeded the manufacturer's target specifications of 130W per-channel. Before the onset of clipping we measured 141W RMS allowing 1.84% THD. Employing our Fidelity Firewall (an HCC test that shows output without serious distortion) we measured 116.79W at 0.015% which is totally respectable, and not far off Onkyo's claim. The frequency response using both sweep and multi-tone signals was ruler-flat within 1dB from 25Hz-20kHz. Although the fan is noisy, the thermal stability is excellent. Under short/open circuit conditions, no 'nasties' were observed, the receiver shutting down smartly and recovering when the short was removed.
From the data above, does this mean DENON AVC-A11SR more powerfull than ONKYO 989?
| Originally posted by magking I have the AVC A11SR and can't believe what i'm reading. The AVC A11SR is great for music and surround. I have not heard the other mentioned, so they can be better for all i know. The power rating stated by Denon is actuelly lower than Home Cinema Choice measured in their review: "LAB RESULTS Manufacturer's rated output: 7x 125W (0.05% THD, 8ohms, 20Hz-20kHz) Measured power output @ 1kHz: 166.2W (8ohms, 0.77% THD) Fidelity firewall: 156.0W @ 0.03% THD (8ohms, 1kHz) Distortion @ 50W: 0.001% (8ohms, 1KHz) Frequency response: 20Hz-20kHz ±0.43dB" Take a look here: http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/index.html and here: http://www.whatvideotv.com/testbench/index.html |
AUDIO ANALYSIS
Manufacturers rated output : 130W per channel 8ohms 0.05% THD
HCC measured output at onset of clipping : 141W at 1.84%
HCC Fidelity Firewall :116.79W at 0.015%
Frequency response 25Hz-25KHz : +/- 1dB
In the lab, this receiver exceeded the manufacturer's target specifications of 130W per-channel. Before the onset of clipping we measured 141W RMS allowing 1.84% THD. Employing our Fidelity Firewall (an HCC test that shows output without serious distortion) we measured 116.79W at 0.015% which is totally respectable, and not far off Onkyo's claim. The frequency response using both sweep and multi-tone signals was ruler-flat within 1dB from 25Hz-20kHz. Although the fan is noisy, the thermal stability is excellent. Under short/open circuit conditions, no 'nasties' were observed, the receiver shutting down smartly and recovering when the short was removed.
From the data above, does this mean DENON AVC-A11SR more powerfull than ONKYO 989?
The measured power on the Denon was @ 1khz. I can only assume that this was with 1 channel being driven. If so this would be very deceiving because power would drop considerably when driving all channels.
Both, the Onkyo and Denon have respectable power with both being about the same. Taking this into consideration I will refer back to my previous post in which I stated that power is not the only factor needed to achieve quality sound.
I personally prefer the warm Onkyo sound over the thin Denon sound. In the end my preference matters only to me as I know that there are uncounted Denon lovers who feel that Onkyo is not as good.
Both, the Onkyo and Denon have respectable power with both being about the same. Taking this into consideration I will refer back to my previous post in which I stated that power is not the only factor needed to achieve quality sound.
I personally prefer the warm Onkyo sound over the thin Denon sound. In the end my preference matters only to me as I know that there are uncounted Denon lovers who feel that Onkyo is not as good.
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