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Onkyo just introduced two new AV receivers with UHD/4K 60 Hz capability: the 5.2-channel TX-NR535 for $500 and the 7.2-channel TX-NR636 for $700. Oddly, the company's press release makes no mention of the HDMI 2.0 standard, it only mentions UHD/4K video at 60 Hz. While both AVRs support UHD/4K 60 Hz video, only the TX-NR636 supports HDCP 2.2, which is the DRM (digital rights management) copyright standard for forthcoming UHD content.

 



Onkyo's new TX-NR636 7.2-channel network AV receiver

 

Both AVRs include built-in WiFi, DSD-HD audio playback, and Qdeo video upscaling. The TX-NR636 also includes Dolby Pro Logic IIz decoding and dual HDMI outputs.

 

I'm curious about Onkyo's decision to restrict HDCP 2.2 capability to the TX-NR636. After all, what good is a UHD/4K-capable receiver if it cannot play DRM-encoded UHD/4K content? Perhaps Onkyo plans to market the TX-NR535 to gamers.

 
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"Onkyo is one of the first CE manufacturers to implement 4K/60 Hz capability in an A/V receiver, paving the way for Ultra HD video playback at a liquid-smooth 60 frames per second. This is great news for PC gamers who can now add wall-shaking surround sound to their 4K/60 Hz experience." source: Onkyo
 

Even without the explicit inclusion of HDMI 2.0 and the exclusion of HDCP 2.2 on the TX-NR535, it's nice to see new entry-level UHD/4K 60 Hz-compatible AVRs coming to market, especially considering all the new UHDTVs that are about to hit store shelves.

 



Onkyo's new TX-NR535 5.2-channel network AV receiver

 

According to Onkyo, The TX-NR535 will be available in March while the TX-NR636 will be available in April.  Click here to read the original press release.

 



 

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interesting that like pioneer, they seem to be starting near the bottom.


makes me wonder why manufacturers seem to be marketing 4k/uhd more towards the average joe than the real enthusiasts
 

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My guess is both Pioneer and Onkyo and most likely the other big Japanese names are starting off in the lower levels in anticipation of a 3D audio standard (Atmos or Auro) coming later this year which they can implement in the flagship units. A $500 and $700 model would most likely not feature Atmos in the first generation of unit.
 

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Originally Posted by cbcdesign  /t/1523123/onkyo-debuts-two-uhd-4k-60p-capable-av-receivers#post_24499279


$700.00 near the bottom! For some of us that is a pretty sizeable chunk of money. We don't all have massive sums of money to burn on HT equipment but are none the less every bit as "enthusiastic" as others with bigger pockets Thank You.

I'm not looking at the price, I'm looking at the model numbers. 5 and 6 series are decidedly close to the low end for onkyo 'surround sound' receivers.


for what it's worth, I'm rocking an AVR I paid 400bux for, and was super excited to have something so 'high end' when I bought it.


but the reality is, these are NOT even close to their top end receivers. I would guess they are high volume sellers maybe.
 

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Originally Posted by MJBraz  /t/1523123/onkyo-debuts-two-uhd-4k-60p-capable-av-receivers#post_24499384


My guess is both Pioneer and Onkyo and most likely the other big Japanese names are starting off in the lower levels in anticipation of a 3D audio standard (Atmos or Auro) coming later this year which they can implement in the flagship units. A $500 and $700 model would most likely not feature Atmos in the first generation of unit.

ahh, I didn't have as concrete of an idea, but I was wondering what was 'missing' from these that was making them wait to release their flagship models.
 

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Here's a thread where we talk about 3D object sound, and timeline for the stds being fixed
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I get it.....it's just that I don't know how much longer I can wait before I have to step back and do the best I can with what has been published to this point to complete my pre-wire.

I hope you'll at least wait through the 2014 NAB Show (April 5 – 10). The ATSC 3.0 3Daudio codec is supposed to be chosen in 2015, and it will be interesting to see what degree of commonality exists between the layouts in the finalist candidate audio layout|codec demos which will probably be on show next month!

And it would make good sense if the information roll-out for DTS-UHD (announced for 2014.Q2) is timed to coincide with the show...?!


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so buy now what is out there, and then say 2016 late the 3D object sound will be in many AVR's.
 

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Originally Posted by fierce_gt  /t/1523123/onkyo-debuts-two-uhd-4k-60p-capable-av-receivers#post_24499954


I'm not looking at the price, I'm looking at the model numbers. 5 and 6 series are decidedly close to the low end for onkyo 'surround sound' receivers.

I appreciate that receivers costing hundreds is nowhere near high end and I wasn't suggesting otherwise but there are probably a lot of us on AVS with limited Budgets who are still most definitely firm enthusiasts. People who are lucky enough to have lots of money to spend on really good gear should never make the mistake of thinking otherwise, that's really the point I was trying to make.
 

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Originally Posted by cbcdesign  /t/1523123/onkyo-debuts-two-uhd-4k-60p-capable-av-receivers#post_24499279


$700.00 near the bottom! For some of us that is a pretty sizeable chunk of money. We don't all have massive sums of money to burn on HT equipment but are none the less every bit as "enthusiastic" as others with bigger pockets Thank You.

If you can't afford $700 for an AVR then you certainly can't afford an UHD display of size large enough for it to make a difference over HD. So the UHD aspect of this AVR is pointless for you and other enthusiasts without "bigger" pockets.
 

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The idea of HDMI 2.0 and UHD etc. etc. is to future proof this to a point. If i'm spending $700 on a receiver I want it to be able to work with the UHD TV I'm going to buy 2 years from now when the costs of them aren't prohibitively expensive for most of us who work for a living. At the same time, for $700 the thing better have pre-outs and/or some gas in the tank so it can power more than a set of cheese ball satellites convincingly.
 

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Originally Posted by fierce_gt  /t/1523123/onkyo-debuts-two-uhd-4k-60p-capable-av-receivers#post_24498889


interesting that like pioneer, they seem to be starting near the bottom.


makes me wonder why manufacturers seem to be marketing 4k/uhd more towards the average joe than the real enthusiasts

Yeah, it's interesting. It seems like the AVR with video processing is the missing link in 4k right now, as using one that scales video to 1080p, and then having the TV scale it to 2160p seems less than ideal, especially for 720p content. I would think this type of application would go towards the way high end first. Hopefully those are coming soon for the early adopter crowd to pair with TVs like the 70" Sharp 4K TV.
 

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Originally Posted by BNestico  /t/1523123/onkyo-debuts-two-uhd-4k-60p-capable-av-receivers#post_24500675


The idea of HDMI 2.0 and UHD etc. etc. is to future proof this to a point. If i'm spending $700 on a receiver I want it to be able to work with the UHD TV I'm going to buy 2 years from now when the costs of them aren't prohibitively expensive for most of us who work for a living. At the same time, for $700 the thing better have pre-outs and/or some gas in the tank so it can power more than a set of cheese ball satellites convincingly.

I realize that it is a colloquialism, but it is silly to assume that people who can afford high end gear do not work for a living. While there are some idle rich, many of us "rich" people (according to the federal government and the IRS in particular) work all the time. We work 12-18 hour days M-F. We work weekends too. We are on call during the few vacations days we can actually take and rarely have a vacation day where we are not working at least part of the time. Many of us high income earners (who are not yet rich in my book, as in cannot quit their jobs and live off their weatlh... yet) can never switch off. We are always on call, and our clients / customers expect us to be available 24/7/365. So let's just say those of us Americans who do work (regardless of how much we make) work harder than just about anyone else on the planet and stop the class warfare.


Okay, now I will get off my soap box. $150 - $300 is more the entry level receiver range. I would put these as 1-2 steps up from entry level. I also find it suprising that both Onkyo and Pioneer appear to be planning to trickle up HDMI 2.0.
 

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Nice that WiFI and Bluetooth are built in. I'm looking to replace my aging Pioneer Elite this year and have been waiting for the new models of AVRs to appear. Pioneers came out recently and are very similar in features to these. My one question...


Where's AirPlay?
 

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Does anyone else notice how they bumped up the price for the 6 series Onkyo receivers. So if these cost 700$ what are the 1/3/5 series going to cost? MMM:eek:
 

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Originally Posted by dmspen  /t/1523123/onkyo-debuts-two-uhd-4k-60p-capable-av-receivers#post_24502228


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Where's AirPlay?
 

Still requires a separate purchase.  If you look at the features for the receivers on Onkyo's website, where it lists Airplay, it has a check mark with a note that says "(with optional DS-A5)".

http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=DS-A5&class=Accessory&source=prodClass

 

Given the $200 price tag and the fact that it still only supports audio, I would recommend just buying an AppleTV to go with the receiver.
 

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I saw the 'AirPlay' adapter after I posted. The lightning connector iPhones have been out for 18 months or so and they're still selling the 30 pin adapter...AND IT'S $200! Outrageous. The equivalent Pioneer has Airplay and the bluetooth adapter is 'only' $100. Neat that it has a port for a ROKU streaming stick.


Looking at the Denon lines, I see they have AirPlay but no bluetooth. Someone will have it all someday...

BTW, I have an AppleTV. It's just one more thing to switch to.
 

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This is partially why I chose an android tablet. It streams to my onkyo receiver just fine without any additional hardware (besides a wireless router) and it didn't cost 400-500$ just for the basic model
 

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remember HDMI 2.0 is not a standard, at least not in the manner that previous versions have implied, its a set of features that companies can pick and choose from, thus why you dont see the HDMI 2.0 type of wording since its not ALL the various features that the next version of HDMI has to offer.



Anyhow here is the product page


http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-NR636&class=Receiver&source=prodClass
Yes.  It makes it all very confusing.  I know they won't do this, but it would be nice if they would make a checklist of ALL of the HDMI 1.0 thru HDMI 2.0 features and then check only those that are supported by the product in question.  Perhaps this is something that we could address on this site by including said checklist in the first post of every "XXXX Owner's Thread"...
 

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Yes.  It makes it all very confusing.  I know they won't do this, but it would be nice if they would make a checklist of ALL of the HDMI 1.0 thru HDMI 2.0 features and then check only those that are supported by the product in question.  Perhaps this is something that we could address on this site by including said checklist in the first post of every "XXXX Owner's Thread"...

oh I agree all this is going to do is cause much confusion and people who know about it will only go well does it have it all or what am I missing, does product A and B have the same features so they work well together or not and so on, so yeah I completely agree that a HDMI 2.0 Product checklist thread or something would be nice to see.
 
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