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I'm looking at Accessories for Less and can't decide which receiver will be best for me in the under $300 range.

I just need 5.1 and HDMI

I will be driving bookshelf speakers at first, then adding a 3rd bookshelf, or center, and sub.

Way down the line I will be adding rear speakers.

Speakers I have been looking at are Energy RC10, or Klipsch rb 61


What receiver will work best for me?


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Thank you


What does this mean

115 W per channel (8 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.9% THD, 1 ch driven)

80 W per channel (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.09% THD, 2 ch driven)


is it an 80w receiver then? what about for 7 ch driven?
 

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It means Yamaha doesn't have the most power in the world, but they have plenty.

The watts per channel of all receivers is deceiving. The quoted numbers are generally

for 2 channels driven (stereo) and they all drop off some with 5 or 7 channels connected.


The most important thing is connect a subwoofer with it's own amp as soon as possible

when trying to play extremely loud. Don't sweat the watts per channel. Yamaha is known

for good value. They work properly, sound good and have the features and connections

needed at a decent price. One of the most reliable brands made.


Every time you add or move around speakers plug the mic in and run the room correction

software. That will tell the receiver what is connected, how far away from listening position

and equalize the frequencies for proper sound. And once you add a subwoofer to the preamp

out set the other speakers to small instead of large.


Here are some reviews and ratings.
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/yamaha-launches-next-generation-rx-v-series-av-receivers

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/top-picks-av-receivers

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/yamaha-rx-a730-network-av-receiver

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/yamaha-rx-v475-av-receiver

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/yamaha-rx-v473-and-rx-v573-av-receivers

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/yamaha-rx-a1020-av-receiver

http://www.audioholics.com/av-receiver-reviews/yamaha-rx-a830-pre

http://www.audioholics.com/av-receiver-reviews/new-yamaha-rx-v375-v475-v575-v675-v775wa

http://www.audioholics.com/av-receiver-reviews/yamaha-aventage-rx-a720-rx-a820-rx-a1020-pre

http://www.audioholics.com/recommended-systems/the-1000-bare-bones-system/equipment-product-recommendations


Again Yamaha isn't the most powerful brand. Good luck finding a bad review/test though.
 

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Thank you kindly

RX-V475 is 5.1 with all the same features I might go for that one since the room is small

Thanks again!
 

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the 475 does have a smaller power supply (270 watt vs 400 watt), but you should

be fine with bookshelf speakers in a small room. Again, attaching a subwoofer and

setting the other speakers to small will increase maximum volume a lot. Have at it.
 

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Yay! I got a rx-v475 today. Now looking for speakers.


I listened to cerwin vega, pardigm, and psb bookshelves today and the psb's sounded the best.


I'm going to another store tomorrow to listen to some other brands.


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Originally Posted by kikkenit2  /t/1517493/onkyo-denon-yamha-surround-for-ht-in-12x12-room#post_24359165


What is your budget? And what size (height, depth) is the sweet spot?

My budget was under $300

I did get a Yamaha rx-v475 with psb alph b1 speakers

I listened all day today and it's not that great.

I think it's all going back for something more powerful.


Was my mistake the speakers or the amp or the budget?
 

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Originally Posted by f430  /t/1517493/onkyo-denon-yamha-surround-for-ht-in-12x12-room#post_24371515


My budget was under $300

I did get a Yamaha rx-v475 with psb alph b1 speakers

I listened all day today and it's not that great.

I think it's all going back for something more powerful.


Was my mistake the speakers or the amp or the budget?

Did you get a subwoofer? For sure, a system made up of small bookshelf speakers is not going to sound good without one. You can change the speakers or the amp or both, but it still won't sound good. I think you should be fine with the stuff you have if you add a sub.
 

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In stereo (2 channel) mode the yamaha 475 tests at over 100 watts per channel 8 or 4 ohm.

The bookshelf speakers you bought are nice, but only play down to 65 hz. Very little bass.

Be more specific about how it sounds bad. Did you run the ypao? Are the speakers set to large?

What parametric eq is the receiver set to (flat/natural/through etc)? For sure you have no

deep bass, but there is more to quality sound than that. Keep what you have and let us

work with you to tweak it to sound you are happy with.


Budget wise start with adding a subwoofer. What is your max $$$ on that?

http://www.psbspeakers.com/content/121003090537-PSB-Alpha-Specs_English_Sep17.pdf
 

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Originally Posted by kikkenit2  /t/1517493/onkyo-denon-yamha-surround-for-ht-in-12x12-room#post_24371770


In stereo (2 channel) mode the yamaha 475 tests at over 100 watts per channel 8 or 4 ohm.

The bookshelf speakers you bought are nice, but only play down to 65 hz. Very little bass.

Be more specific about how it sounds bad. Did you run the ypao? Are the speakers set to large?

What parametric eq is the receiver set to (flat/natural/through etc)? For sure you have no

deep bass, but there is more to quality sound than that. Keep what you have and let us

work with you to tweak it to sound you are happy with.


Budget wise start with adding a subwoofer. What is your max $$$ on that?

http://www.psbspeakers.com/content/121003090537-PSB-Alpha-Specs_English_Sep17.pdf

Thank you

I have the svs 12" ordered but it's not here yet


I watched the Matrix and even the sharp gunshot sounds weren't coming through all popping like they should IMHO

I turned up the volume until DB was 0 and it was lout but not LOUD

The speakers are set to large.

Parametric I tried all the settings like movie, thx, cinema, through, straight, etc, is that what you mean?


It wasn't bad per say, but not what I was expecting for almost $1000 (two sets PSB's, and the $300 receiver)

If I can get more for say, another $500, I'd rather do that then mess around with something of a setup that's too cheap?


Plus, I really didn't like the clutter of everything and trying to fit it all under the 125" screen in my small room. I'm thinking of getting smaller ribbon type surround speakers that are >5" in width to stick on each side of the screen, and more watts with a bigger receiver since I had it cranked and wasn't that loud.

 

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The matching center speaker and the sub you have on order will help a lot. After attaching sub re-run YPAO and set all speakers to small. When I use Yamaha AVR'S I like to set mine to natural. Don't think you are going to get a lot more volume though.
 

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Originally Posted by f430  /t/1517493/onkyo-denon-yamha-surround-for-ht-in-12x12-room#post_24372643


The speakers are set to large. Parametric I tried all the settings like movie, thx, cinema, through, straight, etc, is that what you mean?
No. Those are soundfields. Go into setup/speaker/manual setup. Expand manual speaker setup and go to configuration.

Once the subwoofer is attached (and ypao is rerun) change all speakers from large to small. This will send all bass frequencies

to the subwoofer instead of the bookshelf. This is standard and works the same on every brand/model of receiver.

Also set subwoofer to on and Bass Cross Over to 80 hz. Go to level and verify that subwoofer is at 0.0db.

If not adjust volume/gain knob on subwoofer amp until ypao sets subwoofer to zero.


Now go to Parametric EQ. This is what I was talking about. You get to select the eq curve you prefer so experiment and try

them all. You can even copy a ypao generated curve to manual and custom tweak to your desire. The subwoofer doesn't

have any manual eq options until model 2030 and above (bummer). The default eq curve is usually flat. Most people find

that makes the tweeter frequencies a little bright. I prefer natural. Through bypasses the receiver set eq. You may want

different curves for movies and music. Use the scene buttons to save different listening curves if one global setting is not

desired. Front eq's all channels to match the front. And 80hz crossover is flexible too. For small bookshelf speakers don't

go any lower. Test tone is to verify each speakers works and volume level matching verification. Go back to level to adjust.


Once all that is done then you can finally play with movie, music, thx, cinema, through, straight etc.

Once the subwoofer is connected and the speakers are setup properly the receiver should play clean and louder.

All (7?) channel stereo is usually loudest. I avoid all those reverb/echo chamber modes. Personal preference.
 

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Originally Posted by kikkenit2  /t/1517493/onkyo-denon-yamha-surround-for-ht-in-12x12-room#post_24372824


No. Those are soundfields. Go into setup/speaker/manual setup. Expand manual speaker setup and go to configuration.

Once the subwoofer is attached (and ypao is rerun) change all speakers from large to small. This will send all bass frequencies

to the subwoofer instead of the bookshelf. This is standard and works the same on every brand/model of receiver.

Also set subwoofer to on and Bass Cross Over to 80 hz. Go to level and verify that subwoofer is at 0.0db.

If not adjust volume/gain knob on subwoofer amp until ypao sets subwoofer to zero.


Now go to Parametric EQ. This is what I was talking about. You get to select the eq curve you prefer so experiment and try

them all. You can even copy a ypao generated curve to manual and custom tweak to your desire. The subwoofer doesn't

have any manual eq options until model 2030 and above (bummer). The default eq curve is usually flat. Most people find

that makes the tweeter frequencies a little bright. I prefer natural. Through bypasses the receiver set eq. You may want

different curves for movies and music. Use the scene buttons to save different listening curves if one global setting is not

desired. Front eq's all channels to match the front. And 80hz crossover is flexible too. For small bookshelf speakers don't

go any lower. Test tone is to verify each speakers works and volume level matching verification. Go back to level to adjust.


Once all that is done then you can finally play with movie, music, thx, cinema, through, straight etc.

Once the subwoofer is connected and the speakers are setup properly the receiver should play clean and louder.

All (7?) channel stereo is usually loudest. I avoid all those reverb/echo chamber modes. Personal preference.

This is awesome. Thank you I will try harder with my next setup but I already returned everything :/


Now I'm looking at these two for the same price


Onkyo TX-NR717


Or this


MARANTZ SR5007
 

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That's fine. Pretty much every brand gets set up the same way. You may want to consider speakers with 1" tweeters

and 6" mids for higher volume/better sound.
 

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Update

I just ordered a DENON AVR-E400

Haven't picked speakers yet


Thank you all
 
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