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Onkyo HT-S5200 or 6100

2367 Views 6 Replies 4 Participants Last post by  strakerc
So while there are multiple threads comparing the 6100 and the 7100, or simply the rating the 6100 alone, I am stuck between the 5200 and the 6100.


Right now, one can get the 5200 through Amazon for $420 w/ free shipping (and includes warranty). I nearly bit the bullet for that price without checking out other options, but decided not to be hasty...For $160 more, one can get the 6100 through Vanns, so basically I want to compare quality for the price (is the 6100 $160 better than the 5200, essentially).


Basically, what I have determined (with help) is that the only differences are:


1) 6100 has non-passthrough HDMI.

-This is a big dealbreaker for most, but I'm not so sure if it is for me (although admittedly I still have some questions about it). First of all, I don't mind extra cables, and since optical/coaxial cables and HDMI are the same audio-wise, I see no benefit in audio quality. What is nice about the 6100 is the video upscaling via the HDMI output, and the necessity for only one output cord in general, but as I said I don't mind cables (I have so many, and they will be hidden behind a tv stand). I also wouldn't mind sacrificing the upscaling as I have a Blu-Ray player that does this...


My question: does the video even need to be run through the receiver? Why not just send the video to the TV, and then have the TV output all audio via optical cable to the receiver? I have seen many tutorials sending video first to the receiver, but if it doesn't upscale, I do not understand why this is necessary. The only difference I see is you change the input on the TV rather than on the receiver to get a different source...


2) The 6100 comes with different speakers.

-Does anyone know how the 5200's speakers and 6100's compare? From Onkyo's site, here are the descriptions (under speaker category):

5200
6100


Here is where I do not know much, and do not know if the 6100 is significantly better (worth $160 more), so help would be appreciated in terms of what terms like 2-way acoustic suspension and Dual woofer mean. However, it appears they have the same sub, and does not wood offer a better sound than plastic? Again, a noob in this department...


3) Differences is other specs I don't quite understand (lol) that possibly affect audio quality.

-I simply went through both systems' specs on Onkyo's website, and recorded the differences in specs under categories I cared about (do not care about video, for instance). I am a noob in many of these advanced specs and do not know how significant these are, so some help would be much appreciated:


a) Total Harmonic Distortion: .9% on 5200, and .08% on 6100. Both seem like very small percentages, let alone a minor change between them, will the difference even be audible to the human ear?


b) Output Level and Impedance: 200 mV/470 ohms (Rec out) on 5200, 200 mV/2.2 k- ohms (Rec out) on 6100. Does this simply mean you can attach bigger speakers to the 6100 receiver?


c) Frequency Response: 10 Hz–50 kHz/ +1 dB, -3 dB (Direct mode) on 5200, 5 Hz–100 kHz/ +1 dB, -3 dB (Direct mode) on 6100. Is this simply the frequencies covered? If so, I actually know about this, and are not both overkill as we can only hear between 20Hz-20KHz? I guess the limit of 50k is for 44.1-48khz recordings, and 100 is for 96khz? While things may be recorded at 96khz, they are always then mixed down to be in the 40s, so is there actually a use for this?
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the issue is really along this line.... do you ever want to decode the HD audio codecs that can only be delivered to the receiver via HDMI ? Then the S6100 or S6200 is the choice. As long as regular 5.1 dolby digital and regular DTS is all you ever expect to use the HTiB for, then the S5200 is adequate, but you are limited to Toslink optical or digital coax to get the digital audio source to the receiver.


In a typical dolby digital 5.1 setup, you do not need to use the receiver as a video switcher, you can feed only the audio via Toslink or coax to the a/v receiver and let the TV choose the video source. Just more remotes and two devices to control.
Actually, I forgot to mention that my blu ray player has onboard decoding for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio...


So can my Blu ray player decode these and send them along an optical line? Or even if it decodes must is use HDMI to send the sound? This would be a dealbreaker for me if it had to use HDMI...

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but you are limited to Toslink optical or digital coax to get the digital audio source to the receiver.

I always thought HDMI and TOSLINK were the same quality, both just digital, meaning 1s and 0s...

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In a typical dolby digital 5.1 setup, you do not need to use the receiver as a video switcher, you can feed only the audio via Toslink or coax to the a/v receiver and let the TV choose the video source. Just more remotes and two devices to control.

Thanks for the explanation here. I don't mind the two remotes, but again I will mind if HDMI is necessary to hear the best sound.
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Here is a good discussion on the Klipsch boards about hdmi vs optical.

http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/t/112888.aspx
Wow, that link was quite helpful (thanks!), but unfortunately pretty much convinced me of the more expensive system
(HDMI capable). However, the only difference is for audio from Blu Ray audio, correct?


The only other question I have is that my Blu Ray does have 7.1 analog outputs; are these of equal quality to the HDMI? I was reading around that they were...Yes, they are obviously more clunky (7 cords over 1), but if they can transmit the decoded HD audio that HDMI can, they could provide a valid alternative. However, can either Onkyo receiver I am looking at even take in 7.1 via analog? It appears that the 5200 cannot, but the 6100 can (which is of no help, as I would use HDMI with 6100). I wanted to see if anyone knows for sure...
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The 5200 receiver doesn't have 7.1 analog inputs, but its predecessor 5100 does. Man these new '09 receivers seemed to have been dumbed down. Onkyo has done this and so has Yamaha. You lose the 5.1/7.1 analog inputs.


I see no reason to get the 5200. Either find a 5100 on clearance or just get the 6100 which has HDMI audio.
Thanks for the response afrog. Sucks the newer systems have less capabilities. So I'm pretty sure I'm down to my final question in that is 7.1 analog audio from my Blu Ray going to reproduce the same quality sound as HDMI audio (over short distances)? Or basically, can it losslessly send Dolby True HD, DTS-HD Master Audio, etc?
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