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Just got my system delivered today. I've got a JVC rear projection 52 inch, a cheap progressive scan dvd player, a dvr cable box, and a wii. How difficult will it be to get this all put together and running. Keep in mind I dont have a clue when it comes to electronics.


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First of all check your connections diagram which you will find enclosed in your system's manual. It is pretty well laid out even for a newbe like yourself. Check the diagram and see what kind of cables you would need to connect everything. You would need either optical or coaxial digital cables to run from DVD and DVR into the receiver to get Dolby Digital, DTS sound. Have you got DVR and DVD connected to the TV already? As far as the Wii is concerned, what kind of outputs does this thing have. Does it have an optical output or just component connectors. The thing is that i'm not yet familiar with this system.
 

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Hi, I have a couple of questions about the Onkyo HT-S590 as well.


I just blew a pile on my new TV (Mitsubishi LT-46131) and I am now VERY limited on what I can do for a receiver. I really like the Onky HT-S680, but even that's out of my price range now. So, I really have only two questions:


1) It looks like the 590 does have a passive preamp out so that I can upgrade the sub to a powered one later. Is this the case? And if so....


2) I am aware of the hum issue with the 590 when attempting to upgrade the speaker wire on the stock passive sub. Does the same issue exist on the preamp output if I were to get a better sub?


Any help here would be greatly appreciated!

TIA,

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Originally Posted by Ra Power /forum/post/0


Hi, I have a couple of questions about the Onkyo HT-S590 as well.


I just blew a pile on my new TV (Mitsubishi LT-46131) and I am now VERY limited on what I can do for a receiver. I really like the Onky HT-S680, but even that's out of my price range now. So, I really have only two questions:


1) It looks like the 590 does have a passive preamp out so that I can upgrade the sub to a powered one later. Is this the case? And if so....


2) I am aware of the hum issue with the 590 when attempting to upgrade the speaker wire on the stock passive sub. Does the same issue exist on the preamp output if I were to get a better sub?


Any help here would be greatly appreciated!

TIA,

MC

1) Yes you can upgrade the 590 to any powered sub with high level inputs (which most of them have) I can only think of one that doesn't. Just connect speaker wire from the receivers "sub out" terminals to the subs "high level input" terminals. I purchased the 580, previous version and upgraded both speakers and sub and am very happy with it.


2) The humm issue is hit or miss and it only involves the speakers. I've seen quite a few post recently when owners have upgraded the wire they don't have any issues at all. I'm of the opinion Onkyo has corrected this problem in the current receivers but there are plenty of them still out on the shelves so you may or may not get one. It's an easy fix you can find in the 590 thread that usually just invloves the turn of a screw if you have any problems. You'll use the same sub out terminals on the receiver no matter what sub you connect to, on a powered sub you'll just connect to the high level input terminals insted of the sub in "rca" type connection.
 

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The 590 does have a passive sub out, that's what you connect to the high level inputs of a powered sub or the input terminals of a passive sub. I'm not understanding what your calling a risk. I've personally done it with the Athena AS-P4000, AS-P400, Bic H-100 and Dayton 12", as well as many others here have. You can pull up the owners manual at onkyo.com under the downloads link at the top.
 

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I think the OP is looking for a low level sub output, not the high level output that the 590 receiver possesses.


The standalone receiver Onkyo SR-304 has the low level sub out, but HTIB model has speaker level outputs for the sub.


Here's a pic of the 304 receiver. click to enlarge
http://www.accessories4less.com/cgi-...em/ONKTXSR304S


And here's a pic of the HTR-340 receiver that comes with the 590.
http://www.eu.onkyo.com/ir_img/11702255_260958cdc7.jpg


look at the back and you can see the difference.
 

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I think the OP is looking for a low level sub output, not the high level output that the 590 receiver possesses.


The standalone receiver Onkyo SR-304 has the low level sub out, but HTIB model has speaker level outputs for the sub.


Here's a pic of the 304 receiver. click to enlarge
http://www.accessories4less.com/cgi-...em/ONKTXSR304S


And here's a pic of the HTR-340 receiver that comes with the 590.
http://www.eu.onkyo.com/ir_img/11702255_260958cdc7.jpg


look at the back and you can see the difference.

Great, thank you!



Now, is it possible to pair the TXSR-340 with decent speakers for under say, $250?
 

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IMHO, that would be a nice system and would probably beat the pants off the 590 system due to the higher quality speaker system, not the least of which is the powered sub.


I have Yamaha speakers in my garage stereo system and I really like the sound. I have yet to hear this particular speaker system, but being a fan of Yamaha speakers I just figure they'll sound good. I do know they were highly recommended in a previous thread on this board when someone was asking about speaker/receiver pairings.


Good choice!


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Ra Power, I'm curious if you priced the 340 model receiver from Onkyo. I'll explain why--the 304 apparently only has the speaker level outs for the sub, whereas the 340 has the line level out that I prefer for a powered sub.


I worry about interface issues between a receiver with bass management and a powered sub that is connected through the high level inputs. I know it can be and is done, but I've never done it so I have no experience with it, but it seems to me that if you use the receiver's bass management to shunt everything below, say, 80 hz to the sub, that the built in crossover in the sub would even further attenuate the sub signal at whatever crossover frequency is built into the high level inputs of the sub. It might make the interface between sub and speakers less "seamless".


Perhaps others with experience can comment on this issue--I'd sure like to hear from Jakeman02 on this issue since he's done this and likes it. I could be worrying uselessly, as it is possible that the sub also has a built in crossover in the line level input section, too--I have just always shunned using a powered sub's high level inputs b/c I believe a lot of this type of issues are circumvented using the line level sub out on the receiver and the sub's line level input.


One other issue here might be power potential. If you use the speaker level out for the sub feed, you're using the receiver's amp to power the signal. If you use the receiver's line level sub out, you probably aren't (I'm not engineer savy enough to know if using the line level outs disables the power output to the speaker output for the passive sub, but it makes sense to me and if I WERE a designer I'd do it that way. Maybe someone else knows the answer to this one). That might reduce the power drain on the power supply, allowing the receiver's power supply more power reserve to drive the main/surround speakers. That can mean both higher SPL's and cleaner sound.


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Guys,Guys,Guys have you ever read MadamG2U's post or not? You got carried away from the qustion at hand.

Sorry--happens all the time as new Q's arise. How easily we get carried away, don't we!


MadamG2U--if you're following this thread, have we adequately answered your original question?


With all the equipment you mentioned and the different connector issues faced these days, it can be very confusing. For example your wii MIGHT use an HDMI connector (I don't wii so I don't know) and it doesn't appear that the receiver in the 590 has HDMI inputs. A visit to your local B&M electronics store might just be a good idea.


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Ra Power, I'm curious if you priced the 340 model receiver from Onkyo. I'll explain why--the 304 apparently only has the speaker level outs for the sub, whereas the 340 has the line level out that I prefer for a powered sub.

Sorry, but you got it backwards. The TX-SR304 has the low level output while the HT-R340 has the speaker level output.
 

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Ra Power Ive been following your thread cause I'm basically in the same position. The Yamaha speakers are rated at 6ohms but the Onkyo receiver rating is 8ohms. Im new to this but have read that there might be a difference there. Do you know the difference?? Thanks
 

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Less resistance means the amp can produce power more easily. Any decent amp will usually make more power into 6 ohms than into 8, but that isn't necessarily a good thing. As an amp nears the limits of it's power making ability distortion figures rise dramatically. It's one of the reasons I routinely suggest picking speakers based on efficiency--given 2 sets of speakers with similar sound characteristics being driven by the same electronics, the set with 3 dB higher efficiency will sound the same at half power as the set with 3 dB lower efficiency being driven at full power. That 3 dB difference will be evident as cleaner sound in the more efficient pair of speakers. Most often when speakers are burned up, it's not from too much clean power, it's from overdriving an amp into distortion.


Unfortunately, most speakers with high efficiency are low resistance, but sometimes the difference can be startling. Klipsch's "Klipschorn" speakers, huge corner horn loaded loudspeakers, were 4 ohm resistance but were extremely efficient--101 dB at 1 watt input. Considering most dynamic speakers run between 86 and 90 dB efficiency, that meant the Klipschorn's could play at deafening levels with very little power. Less efficient speakers would have been burned up by distortion as the amp tried to make enough power to play as loudly.


So, to more specifically address your question, although the Onkyo receiver is rated to drive 8 ohm speakers, it will drive 6 ohm speakers. It might even drive them louder, assuming both sets of speakers are of the same efficiency, but in doing so it might come closer to it's power limits and therefore sound more distorted, too.


It's a balancing act and a good rule of thumb is if it doesn't sound good to your ears, back off a bit. The human ear can easily perceive distortion levels of .25% and dynamic speakers have no trouble producing that level of distortion without much damage.


IMHO, that combo is a great pairing.


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Thank you folks, so much! I'm going to pull the trigger and get the 304 and the Yamaha speakers. I used to play bass guitar with some really powerful amps and I never liked the idea (or sound) of pushing "power into power".

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Ra Power Ive been following your thread cause I'm basically in the same position. The Yamaha speakers are rated at 6ohms but the Onkyo receiver rating is 8ohms. Im new to this but have read that there might be a difference there. Do you know the difference?? Thanks

Yeah, it won't hurt anything to go up a little. This just means the amp will push less power into the speakers and looking at the Onkyo site, that's ok. The amp is rated at 65 watts @ 8 Ω, and the speakers are rated at 100 watts, so that'd be about ok.




BTW OP, sorry to hijack your thread but maybe you can use this information too? I just hated to start another "HT-S590 thread" when there was one already going on page 1.
 
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