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Opinions on this sub. 1st actual HT sub buy

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I have a Polk psw 10 now and hate it. It bottoms out , it has port noise like crazy it's not loud and most important. It will not hit hard OR low


I'm on a budget and this seems good for 270 shipped. Opinions?
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Originally Posted by mj79 /forum/post/16876611


I have a Polk psw 10 now and hate it. It bottoms out , it has port noise like crazy it's not loud and most important. It will not hit hard OR low


I'm on a budget and this seems good for 270 shipped. Opinions?
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Which sub are you talking about for $270 shipped?
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Yea I guess a link might help huh. Sorry I'm not with it today


http://cgi.ebay.com/New-15-Home-Thea...3A1%7C294%3A50
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They are not really giving any tolerances on those specs (20-250Hz but down 3db...6...25...?). Are you concerned with the finish? If not I would probaly look at a slightly more expensive but better know quantity like the eD A2-250 for $325 shipped.


I also never trust "HD Certified" audio components...what's that even mean?
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I was considering building a enclosure and putting in a titanic 12 by Dayton. With a 500 wAtt plate amp. But alot of people are really pushing these subs. And for the price I just wondered what people think. Or if anyone has heard them
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If it's just for Home Theater why not get 2 BIC F-12's for around $380 shipped or just one PA-120 for $239 shipped. You could spend $350 on a Hsu STF sub but even then for home theater it won't be that much better than either of the others. Unless you're willing to step up and spend $450 on a SVS PB-10 then you'll be stuck with pretty much the same performance you get from the $200-$300 subs from Dayton, eD, Premier Acoustics or BIC. I personally wouldn't buy the sub you linked to either.
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I lurk here a lot and post only a little when I feel I can help. I know a lot of the sub's that are out there and I have not heard of this one. That whole thing looks like an add that someone has made up to sound good to those who are unaware.


With just a little more money the recommendations that have already been given are golden. If you really want to step up with your sub you should definitely look at SVS, ED, Epik, etc.


The sub is one of the most critical components of your system. Once you have a really good quality sub on hand you will be happy for sure. Stick around here and read and take your time. You have something now and we all know you are not happy with it. But take your time and educate yourself and in the process you will have some time to accumulate some funds and then be able to purchase something that will make you smile from ear to ear for years to come.


I hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by Danielson99 /forum/post/16877252


If it's just for Home Theater why not get 2 BIC F-12's for around $380 shipped or just one PA-120 for $239 shipped. You could spend $350 on a Hsu STF sub but even then for home theater it won't be that much better than either of the others. Unless you're willing to step up and spend $450 on a SVS PB-10 then you'll be stuck with pretty much the same performance you get from the $200-$300 subs from Dayton, eD, Premier Acoustics or BIC. I personally wouldn't buy the sub you linked to either.
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Well I have never heard of this company before so when a guy posted numbers of this sub ( the one I linked ) beating the eD and titanic and others for the low end numbers As well as sounding just as good to the ear it sparked my interest. and yes the hsu was also in the mix. The eD I believe was the a2-300...???


But anyways I was just curious to what people thought. As for 2 12s. I would also consider that too. But there's something about 15s I like in home theater
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Jay1
You would really be doing yourself a disservice by not going DIY, being a carpenter and all.... But hey, its your money
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Oh trust me. I WANT to build. But am so strapped for $$ now every lil bit saved helps. And I could also sav another $40 off the already low price. So paying 228 for a brand new. Highly rated 15 with a descent 500 watt amp seems like a great deal.


Yea. I'd love a submersive or a svs. But. Just can't to it.



So thi k about it. $228 shipped to my house. Fully loaded enclosure. Do you really think I could build anything better for less that will still put up 106 db at 20 hz?
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Originally Posted by mj79 /forum/post/16878382


Well I have never heard of this company before so when a guy posted numbers of this sub ( the one I linked ) beating the eD and titanic and others for the low end numbers As well as sounding just as good to the ear it sparked my interest. and yes the hsu was also in the mix. The eD I believe was the a2-300...???


But anyways I was just curious to what people thought. As for 2 12s. I would also consider that too. But there's something about 15s I like in home theater
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I'm glad u mentioned the pa-120 !! Because it's the same type of company as the link I posted. Not well known but has good products for cheap. And THIS is why I mentioned the ascendant audio subs.


A guy in another forum has both. The pa-120 and the ascendant audio hdsub-12



The HD performed beter in every testing category. So that's why I don't get why ppl are in a sense bashing this company
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Originally Posted by mj79 /forum/post/16878594


I'm glad u mentioned the pa-120 !! Because it's the same type of company as the link I posted. Not well known but has good products for cheap. And THIS is why I mentioned the ascendant audio subs.


A guy in another forum has both. The pa-120 and the ascendant audio hdsub-12



The HD performed beter in every testing category. So that's why I don't get why ppl are in a sense bashing this company
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Nobody is bashing that company. Comparing a subwoofer with a 500w amp and a 15" driver against a 200w amp and a 12" driver is kinda silly. One thing I can say...you get what you pay for.


If you really want to save money buy a sub kit from HERE


For your information...the PA-120 is an entry level sub that performs very well for it's price. Spending $60 more for a 500w 15" sub that performs similarly doesn't seem like a great idea. Do you know about the quality of the enclosure on both subs? The PA-120 is pretty decent for build quality and it has a glossy black top to match alot of peoples speakers.


Anyway, if you can build an enclosure I would spend $150 on a 300w BASH amplifier and get a solid 15" driver to go with it and have a sub that will perform as well as most subs under $1000..assuming it's built properly. There are plenty of enclosure blueprints in the forum if you look around. Anyway good luck with whatever you choose.


If it's your first sub...any of these subs will make you happy.
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Originally Posted by mj79 /forum/post/16878564


Oh trust me. I WANT to build. But am so strapped for $$ now every lil bit saved helps. And I could also sav another $40 off the already low price. So paying 228 for a brand new. Highly rated 15 with a descent 500 watt amp seems like a great deal.


Yea. I'd love a submersive or a svs. But. Just can't to it.



So thi k about it. $228 shipped to my house. Fully loaded enclosure. Do you really think I could build anything better for less that will still put up 106 db at 20 hz?
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Well, you originally posted your budget as $400. You still have options under $250. A Dayton DCS380-4 with the SA240 plate amp in a 10 ft3 (24"x24"x38" for example) box with a 6"x14.5" port will do 110db at 20hz. Woofer plus amp cost $190.
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I'm getting confused... how many threads do you have running now???


Being strapped for cash isn't an argument to go consumer, it's an argument to go DIY. In DIY we can squeeze every drop of performance out of our $$. Going with a production sub your money is going to pay for overhead that DIY doesn't incur plus a profit which DIY is free from as well (except the driver and amp folks gotta get theirs). Consider for a moment what kind of components would go into a sub that costs $220 shipped. Take shipping off the $220 and you're down to ~$170, now take off the 30% profit and you've got $120 left to pay for MDF, a driver, an amp, hardware, and finishing. In the end the driver and amp in that $220 sub are very likely comparable to drivers we can get for $20 in DIY. There's a reason we aren't suggesting any $20 drivers though.


The original suggestion (at least as far back as I know...) of a 15" Dayton driver with the Foster plate amp (that delivers a REAL 115W) will be very comparable to the offerings of HSU, etc and will certainly outperform the AA sub.
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thanks again guys for the replies. Sorry if I came off as a dick defensive but I was just curious and really don't know much about HT. So that's kind of how I get info on things is to take real world tests and advice from members or users.



There are just sooooooooo many options for home theater. And man I thought car audio choosing was time consuming lol.


And jay I did start at 400 but I had it set in my mind that I was gonna do a build. But when I do a build I wanna do it big and make it look very nice. So that will have to wait til I have about $1000 saved up. Then this will be easier.


It almost seems it's harder to pick out an entry level to midrange sub than a high end. But I'm sure imway off and hopefully I'll find out soon !!
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Originally Posted by lennon_68 /forum/post/16878922


I'm getting confused... how many threads do you have running now???


Being strapped for cash isn't an argument to go consumer, it's an argument to go DIY. In DIY we can squeeze every drop of performance out of our $$. Going with a production sub your money is going to pay for overhead that DIY doesn't incur plus a profit which DIY is free from as well (except the driver and amp folks gotta get theirs). Consider for a moment what kind of components would go into a sub that costs $220 shipped. Take shipping off the $220 and you're down to ~$170, now take off the 30% profit and you've got $120 left to pay for MDF, a driver, an amp, hardware, and finishing. In the end the driver and amp in that $220 sub are very likely comparable to drivers we can get for $20 in DIY. There's a reason we aren't suggesting any $20 drivers though.


The original suggestion (at least as far back as I know...) of a 15" Dayton driver with the Foster plate amp (that delivers a REAL 115W) will be very comparable to the offerings of HSU, etc and will certainly outperform the AA sub.
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Oh yea. I know what your talking aboutfor sure! I have 2 more threads going but it's only because I am getting so confused. It's almost to much to think about with the 20 plus ideas and suggestions I've had From cheap to expensive diy to consumer etc. And also I have made every thread and post on my iPhone since my HD went out on my laptop. And I have no wifi or 3g. So it gets even more confusing trying to see everything that's going on , viewing links, running multiple pages etc off AT&T s slow ass edge network





I appreciate all the help from everyone in here. And guarNtee if I was on a high speed network with a screen larger than 3" I wouldnot be such a p.I.t.a lol.


Also I wish there was 50 options instead of 5000
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Those guys crack me up... did any of you research their completed auctions and feedbacks? One guy buys a 300-watt 12" subwoofer for $13.50 and then bitches that "it is very poor quality". People are buying a pair of in-wall 200-watt speakers (46Hz-22kHz) from them for as little as $11 and that INCLUDES the shipping!! What are they selling? paper plates!! They are selling like a million items all claiming "audiophile" or "high powered" for next to nothing and many are listed "free shipping" and starting at $.01 I tell you, these guys crack me up... and some of the guys who are buying this stuff from them are just as funny.


Hey if you do buy that sub from those guys PLEASE post back here and tell me about it.
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yea man I will post if I get it. I put a max bid of 200 on one of the 15s so if it goes though ..... Well I guess I will finally be able to judge. But in the mean time I am gonna pick up the digital meter from radio shack and gonna do some testing.


Test one will be my Polk psw10


test 2 is gonna be my buddys servo 15 he is gonna bring o er just for this comparison. I doubt I'm gonna wanna let him have it back lol


the third will be the ascendnt audio hd12 ( the coin toss sub )


and if I can get a good 1000 watt plate amp I really wanna test my car audio subs in here in just the tuned enclosure I built for them @ 3.5 cubes tuned to 30 hz. The subs are dc soundlab level 3 12s. Not very well known but monsters in spl. I'll post a link
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I mentioned these are excellent spl sub bt on my termlab rta which is the best most accurate spl meter out for car audio and is used for spl world records in multiple car audio organizations.



Anyways I was sitting right around 133-134 at 30 hz. Which in car audio. Is pretty sick



Subs are the level 3s about half way down the page.


But I would love to see a lvl 4 xl or a level 5 used for HT


http://www.dcsoundlab.com/woofers.html
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I mentioned these are excellent spl sub bt on my termlab rta which is the best most accurate spl meter out for car audio and is used for spl world records in multiple car audio organizations.



Anyways I was sitting right around 133-134 at 30 hz. Which in car audio. Is pretty sick



Subs are the level 3s about half way down the page.


But I would love to see a lvl 4 xl or a level 5 used for HT


http://www.dcsoundlab.com/woofers.html
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People will take you more seriously if you refrain from bringing car audio into the mix. If you don't have anything to add to the topic at hand do yourself a favor and please refrain from teenage fantasies.
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Not really a fantasy. Just want to do some testing. I build a cabinet for a guy with a 12w7 tuned to 26 hz and it sounded very good. It's all in the enclosure so I don't see whY people think a $100 driver would kill a car audio sub just because it's cheap looking and bult for home use
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