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Dear Beta Test Participants,


We are posting a new beta firmware version today. The firmware can be downloaded from http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP8...PG20090722.zip


Network update is also available for this firmware if your player has the previous beta version installed. The firmware is not available to the general customers at this time.


This revision contains some changes to the video processor code. The changes from the previous firmware are:


* Bypassing the hard-wired color space conversion feature in the ABT2010 video processor chip and using a programmable 3x3 matrix to calculate color space conversion and HD/SD color matrix cross conversion. We believe this version yields the correct results.

* Fix for a rare occurrence of no video output over HDMI when up-converting 480i to 1080p.

* Fix for the random Cb/Cr color inversion problem.


Once all updates are installed, your firmware versions should be:

Main Version: BDP83-34-0722T

Loader Version: BE2403 85752403

Sub Version: MCU83-23-0513 (except for units with E202 serial number. These units do not have an upgradeable MCU)
 

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* Bypassing the hard-wired color space conversion feature in the ABT2010 video processor chip and using a programmable 3x3 matrix to calculate color space conversion and HD/SD color matrix cross conversion. We believe this version yields the correct results.


That should make Bob happy, at least we hope so!


Will check the FW out tonight with new BD's I picked up.
 

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I'll try loading this soon. Unfortunately, my Coraline BR has still not arrived
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However, I did get a box full of fun delivered from DeepDiscount today.


Early this evening I may sample some of the concert BRs I got form DD... while the kids are still awake so I can crank it.


Then later tonight, if the wife wants to watch a movie, it will be the first viewing of Benjamin Button or if not, then I may start into my Samurai 7 series.


No matter how you slice it, the BDP-83 is getting a workout today.
 

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Install via internet worked just fine. Reset Defaults produced no surprises. (The "Dimention" vs. "Dimension" typo in Pro Logic setup is still there.)


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My easy ways of generating the Red/Blue color swap failure no longer do that! So this bug may indeed have been fixed.


However, when cycling the D2v to a different input (Comcast Component video and Optical audio) and back to the Oppo while testing this, I was able to generate several instance of black screen.


This is likely the same problem RDGRIMES is seeing -- where he gets a black screen unless he powers up his Oppo last (which presumably means it is selected for input before it is powered up).


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SD -> HD and HD -> SD color conversion seems to be working correctly again. I tested both directions in a variety of ways, but only using YCbCr 4:4:4 and 36-bit video. There may still be some errors lurking if other combos are used.


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Presumably as a result of the color space conversion fix, the macro-blocking in "Monsters Inc" SD-DVD is also fixed again.


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About half the time I power up the Oppo, I get a "UPG FAILED" message on the front panel after it gets to the Home menu (which it does because I have an empty USB stick plugged into the front socket). Apparently this is Firmware Notification failing.


I did multiple instances of manual Internet Upgrade attempts and got one case where it said the upgrade failed (really, just the attempt to check for an upgrade) because it could not find the server.


Network Connection Test works every time.


I hope there's actually some problem on the upgrade servers this afternoon, because otherwise this firmware has degraded internet function.


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My odd image defect in "Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring: Extended Edition", SD-DVD has CHANGED BEHAVIOR.


The easiest place to see the defect is at the start of Chapter 7 on Disc 2 (time code 18:32) just before Gandolf lights his staff.


The defect consists of a thin horizontal strip of near black pixels at the top and at the bottom of what's supposed to be a black image (i.e., at the top and bottom of the active area of the image between the letter box bars). The strip appears to be about 6 pixels tall at the top and about half that at the bottom. It appears to be made up of pixels of luminance 17 and 18 (i.e., just barely above black).


With the previous firmware, I reported that my puzzle on this was that the defect only appeared using 36-bit video. I was using YCbCr 4:4:4 at 480i (to avoid the color space conversion bug). If I used anything less than 36-bit video the defect went away. I didn't mention it, but I ALSO tried 1080p at 36-bits and the defect appeared that way as well -- although it looked a little thinner.


Well now it works like this:


No Defect: 1080p, 720p, 1080i with 36-bit


No Defect: 480i, 480p with 30-bit (Dithered) or Deep Color OFF (Dithered)


Defect: 480i, 480p with 36-bit, 30-bit, or OFF


The fact that I can't make the defect appear using scaled resolutions is suggestive of an error in the color conversion data path. Of course 480i and 480p output shouldn't be getting any color conversion (although they still do get color upsampling).


Anyway, I think this defect would be worth looking into in more detail.


One puzzle is why I only seem to be seeing this in this movie. I tried other 2.35 SD-DVDs and found black scene transitions that had no such problem.


Perhaps it is the nature of the letter-box bars? It is possible they are encoded as Black (=16) in this movie where other movies are using below black (perhaps 0). I don't really know.

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My YCbCr 4:2:2 and Y/C Delay oddities are unchanged in this firmware.


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I tried a BD-Live item from "Coraline" Blu-Ray (the "Tale of Despereaux" preview), and as last night after it played I ended up on a black screen with dashes in the front panel display. As it turns out a phone call came in at that point and I just left it sitting that way for some time. When I got back it was unchanged -- still a black screen -- and the first thing I tried was switching to 1080i and voila the image came back!


Now I know I tried switching resolutions last night with no success, but perhaps I just tried too soon -- BD-Live being as slow as it is.


In any event, the situation with this firmware seems to be another example of the HDMI handshake resulting in a black screen.

--Bob
 

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Downloaded using Wi-Fi and updated firmware without problems. I also noticed the typo under the OSD>Audio Processing>Dolby Pro Logic II>"Dimention." (But, in the footnote "Set Pro Logic dimension size" the word is spelled correctly.)


All firmware versions confirmed.


Dana


PS. I noticed that under in the OSD>Playback Setup>Parental Control there is an item titled Area Control. All that is selectable is "United States." Why is this necessary? It seems to me that this will invite speculation that down the road, more than one "Area Code" will be available. Until such time as that happens, I suggest deleting the item altogether since there is presently no choice to be made.


(This may have been a line item for months and I just noticed it.)
 

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I'm getting no video after Reset Factory Defaults. Has the default changed to something new?


Default is not saved when I power off (holding down the power button on the remote for a few seconds) so I can restart and have the old settings.


I'll try downloading firmware again. I interrupted it several times; who knows?


-Bill
 

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Hey, I checked the manual and the FAQ but couldn't find any info on this...maybe

one of you lucky owners out there knows:


I see with delight that the bdp83 supports a nice range of video file format

over disc or USB. What about subtitles? Does anyone know if it can handle

external .srt or .sub files or the internal subs on .mkv files?

Does anyone know the answers? The question is from another forum.
 

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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants /forum/post/16872385


Does anyone know the answers? The question is from another forum.

I've only tested external subtitles with AVI containers. It handles SRT, SUB, SSA, and SMI in those tests.


-Bill
 

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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants /forum/post/16872375


I cancelled and resumed the download several times because it was hogging my bandwidth. It takes about 2 hours over dial up.


-Bill
 

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Does anyone know the answers? The question is from another forum.

It does handle internal subtitles in MKV, although there have been complaints about the font being ugly.


-Bill
 

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I cancelled and resumed the download several times because it was hogging my bandwidth. It takes about 2 hours over dial up.


-Bill
OMG! 2 hours?!?


I certainly hope your dialup is like... FREE. Since you can get DSL for like $15 a month now, right? I know you have probably already considered the options, but as much as you are on here (AVS), I can't imagine your wait times just to make a post. Only trying to be helpful though. I don't remember all the details of when I had to use dialup, but I do remember it was very painful.
I remember spending a couple hours doing something online, then when I switched to DSL, that was cut down to 10 minutes.


Thanks for those other answers re: internal subs. I will relay your answers.



Did you get you player working yet?
 

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FW> upped just fine,[ very fast/jumpstick]- watched --Flyboys[br]. did not change any setting from previous setup. No PQ Issues. { a little soft PQ- but I'll look at it later}.

I did not experiences any PQ or audio difficulties.

resolution : auto>MCA> CSpace 4:4:4:> no 1080P/24H>HDMI to display: Everything else
 

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I cancelled and resumed the download several times because it was hogging my bandwidth. It takes about 2 hours over dial up.

-Bill

Dial up? How come you are using dial up still Bill? That makes your work against the FAQ even more impressive!
 

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Old Bugs Revisited, Part I


Here are the "old bug" reports for items not requiring a lot of time-consuming retries.


1) The weird menu failure in "Austin Powers: Goldmember", SD-DVD still exists. The behavior is unchanged. See post #61 in the 0430 firmware thread for details.


2) The de-interlacing failures still exist in the closing credits of "Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery" SD-DVD. See the discussion beginning with this post in the "good test discs" thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post16354084


3) In "Wall-E" Blu-Ray, get to the Top Menu and select Play Movie, then select Play. RESULT: A portion of the menu structure remains on the otherwise black screen for a couple seconds before playback begins. This is reminiscent of the problem we had from Total Menus on "Pinocchio" Blu-Ray when hitting Stop, but without the nastier consequences from that case. Doing the same operation with "Wall-E" on the PS3 shows no such problem. The entire menu goes to black and then there is the usual delay before the feature content starts. This Oppo problem can be easily repeated -- just return to Top Menu from the playing feature and try it again.


4) I'm still seeing near-black, large scale noise in what is supposed to be the solid dark gray video from Acoustic Reality, "Vivaldi: The Four Seasons" Blu-Ray. And the workaround I reported in post #39 of the 0702 firmware thread no longer works. The problem occurs at 1080p (never at 1080i or less) with 36-bit video (never with 30 or Deep Color OFF, with or without dithering) and with either YCbCr 4:4:4 (normal or raw) or RGB Video Level -- never with YCbCr 4:2:2 (normal or raw). With HDMI Demo mode turned ON, the problem appears on both halves of the screen -- unchanged from Demo mode OFF. This may turn out out to be a dithering problem either in my D2v or in my display, but I've seen no indications of it with other discs. And the fact that the "workaround" worked in the 0702 firmware strongly suggests to me that this is actually an HDMI handshake bug.


5) The problem I've had with the Dragon Encounter extra on "Sleeping Beauty" Blu-Ray -- where this unusual 7.1 DTS-HD HR track is seen as only 5.1 DTS-HD HR HDMI bitstream input in my D2v -- still exists. Jason tells me the other processors they are testing with see the proper 7.1 bitstream, and I haven't heard back from Anthem on this one. See post #75 in the 0430 firmware thread for details.


6) The problem where HDMI Bitstream of a CD shows as "No Signal" for audio input on my D2v still exists. This problem had been fixed in the 29-0601T firmware, but reappeared in the 0612 firmware. Again, this must be an Oppo bug. For normal CD playback, the D2v should not be able to tell whether the Oppo is set to HDMI Bitstream or HDMI LPCM as both settings should produce the same HDMI LPCM.


7) As reported above, my repeatable cases for generating Red/Blue color swap no longer fail. THIS BUG IS FIXED! However, I can now generate cases of black screen with no HDMI audio doing the same things. The rate of failure is less than the Red/Blue failures in the previous firmware, but it is still fairly easy to get a black screen failure.


8) The UI typo has not yet been corrected: Setup > Audio Processing > Dolby Pro Logic II > "Dimention" should be "Dimension".


9) As reported above, the "Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring: Extended Edition" SD-DVD video glitch on scenes that go to black has changed behavior in this firmware. See post #42 in the 0715 firmware thread for the original report. See post #6 above in this thread for the latest results. I have one additional result to report. I said in post #6 above that there is no defect when using 1080p and 36-bit video in this firmware. That is correct. Indeed, there is no defect using 1080p video with this firmware at 36-bit, 30-bit (dithered), 30-bit, and OFF (dithered). HOWEVER, there *IS* still a defect when using 1080p and Deep Color OFF (i.e., not dithered)! Go figur.... I hope all this means something to the engineers!


I should also point out that I have not been using 480i output (or Deep Color OFF) for SD-DVD viewing for quite some time. So it is possible this defect may have first appeared several firmware releases ago and I just didn't see it since I was using 1080p and 36-bit. The fact that the problem showed up in the 0715 firmware even at 1080p and 36-bit may, then, just be another consequence of the screwup in SD to HD color conversion -- now fixed of course.


What's more, the combos I have identified here as "No Defect" also look great as far as black levels using my "correct" video calibration. Indeed, the 1080p, 36-bit combo looks excellent with that calibration.


[NOTE: The horizontal line defect still exists near the top of the film even when using a "No Defect" combo in this firmware. But I'm seeing that same thing on all my players, so it is undoubtedly in the content.]


10) As reported above, the failure to get back to the BD-Live menu after playing any BD-Live feature on "Coraline" Blu-Ray appears to be just another instance of the black screen failure after a handshake in this firmware. However, with the 0715 firmware I was not able to recover from the black screen by the usual tricks (e.g., cycling inputs, or changing Oppo output resolutions), so there *MAY* be something extra at work here. This one bears some watching. My copy of "Coraline" is from NetFlix, so I'll probably have sent it back before the next firmware comes out.


Note: I've not gotten any more "UPG FAILED" messages during the testing this evening, so it probably was just a server issue this afternoon. Also, I've not gotten any instance of 1079p video during my testing this evening. I didn't have any with the 0715 firmware either. So it looks like that problem REALLY IS FIXED.


I'll report later on the old bugs that require more time-consuming testing.

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Old Bugs Revisited, Part II


Here's the "old bugs" report for items that required more time-consuming testing.


1) I still show YCbCr 4:2:2 black levels too high at anything other than 480i output (Source Direct or explicit). The ball is currently in Anthem's court on this one -- to see if they can reproduce the problem with their BDP-83 player and figure out what is going on. It appears to be related to something peculiar they are doing for 4:2:2 vs. 4:4:4 input in the specific case of upscaling to the 1360x768p Studio RGB needed for my DVI display. If I tell them to scale to 720p the problem is reduced in magnitude and in the OPPOSITE direction (i.e., 4:2:2 is a little DARKER than 4:4:4).


2) My Y/C Delay tests are unchanged from the last firmware. The 1080p S&M chart and the 480i S&M chart need no Y/C delay at 1080p or 480i respectively. The 1080p S&M chart needs +6 delay when scaled down to 480i, and the Avia Pro SD-DVD chart needs +6 delay at either 480i or when scaled up to 1080p. However, I can spot no practical consequences of these Avia Pro results when viewing real SD-DVDs, so I'm inclined to ignore this one, although I'd still like to find some sort of explanation.


3) As posted above, with the SD -> HD color conversion fixed in this firmware, the macro-blocking issue in "Monsters Inc" SD-DVD is ONCE AGAIN FIXED!


4) I can still make HDMI Bitstream from "Hairspray" Blu-Ray initially show up as 5.1 DTS-HD MA instead of 7.1 on my D2v. As of a few firmwares ago, it became a lot easier for me to make this fail and that continues to be the case in this firmware. In fact in this firmware, it is more likely to fail than not. As always, doing anything that interrupts the audio stream (e.g., Pause/Play) cures this.

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The LOTR testing I was doing prompted me to take another look at the Deep Color options, and much to my surprise I believe, for Blu-Ray discs, I'm getting smoother and more neutral ramps using 30-bit (Dithered) rather than either 36-bit or 30-bit without dithering.


I don't understand this. I suspect it means there is a bug in either the 36-bit output of the Oppo or the 36-bit input in my D2v.


One of the things that makes this so odd is that the degradation I'm seeing with 36-bit, I also see, and (at least by eye) to the same degree, using 30-bit without dithering or OFF without dithering. Meanwhile the good result I'm seeing with 30-bit (Dithered) I also get with OFF (Dithered).


Now of course the dithering stuff is new, but I don't think I had a problem like this with 36-bit a month ago.


As usual, my settings are explicit 1080p, YCbCr 4:4:4, and 1080p/24 Auto.


[NOTE: The fog scene by the river in "Ratatouille" is a real torture test for ramps. When things are working right there is absolutely no contouring in the fog or in the night sky backgrounds (although there ARE some glow contours around lamps). But even small errors will result in false contours.]


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Meanwhile, for SD-DVD upscaled to 1080p, 36-bit seems to work just fine! Which suggests the problem is not in my D2v.


Deep Color me confused.

--Bob
 
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