[coolrda]

Oppo’s 21x9 feature really wasn’t a big deal to me when it was released. It is now. My RS520 locks with 4K/60 and I’m dead in the water when it comes to streaming online content and having aspect control, whether from Netflix, Amazon, YouTube or others. The 21x9 fixed lens feature is huge. It’s so nice having the Oppo default to the 4K 16x9 screen for menus of all sources when shutoff. I’ve always preferred my Oppo remotes over my iRule or harmony hub control for control of the disc. And now it handles all my scaling too. Pretty sweet. I got permanent thumb drives for trailers and cal patterns. Really makes things simple. If you run a fixed lens setup give it a shot. It’s a killer feature that can save you some major cash.

 

[CAVX]

Yeah, should have my OPPO 203 in Jan, 2018 and looking forward to the progressive upgrade to UHD. A-lens stays regardless of the projector upgrade.

 

[john hunter]

Oppo’s 21x9 feature really wasn’t a big deal to me when it was released. It is now. My RS520 locks with 4K/60 and I’m dead in the water when it comes to streaming online content and having aspect control, whether from Netflix, Amazon, YouTube or others. The 21x9 fixed lens feature is huge. It’s so nice having the Oppo default to the 4K 16x9 screen for menus of all sources when shutoff. I’ve always preferred my Oppo remotes over my iRule or harmony hub control for control of the disc. And now it handles all my scaling too. Pretty sweet. I got permanent thumb drives for trailers and cal patterns. Really makes things simple. If you run a fixed lens setup give it a shot. It’s a killer feature that can save you some major cash.

Can only agree wholeheartedly. A really great feature that opens up every PJ to anamorphic support.

 

[huse0054]

i don't understand, what exactly does all this mean? Why would be of benefit?

 

[coolrda]

i don't understand, what exactly does all this mean? Why would be of benefit?

For one thing, a lot of projectors give you aspect ratio or scaling control with 4K/24-30 but not 4K/60. This is beneficial for a lot of external 4K content when you have a roku or other streaming device plugged into the Oppo.

Another is that menus and overlays on the disc stay locked to the 21:9 window while you change the contents AR. Heres an example.

This is the Menu when stretched by the projector.

This is with the projector set to full and the Oppo doing the scaling. The menus are always on the screen regardless or AR. Now its like watching on a true native 21x9 panel.

 

[huse0054]

i see, that makes sense now thanks for the further detailed info. Am I safe to assume the sony- ubp-x800 would not have this ability?

 

[Shawn Kelly]

FWIW, we've been working closely with Oppo to get all these modes in and working properly but we're still fine tuning. The "Full" mode when video output is set to 21:9 fixed or movable is still off - it horizontally stretches and therefore crops the sides. This will be fixed in the next firmware update.

 

[CAVX]

FWIW, we've been working closely with Oppo to get all these modes in and working properly but we're still fine tuning. The "Full" mode when video output is set to 21:9 fixed or movable is still off - it horizontally stretches and therefore crops the sides. This will be fixed in the next firmware update.

Good to hear.

What would be even better is if the studios turned on the 21:9 mode in their work flow for disc mastering.

 

[Shawn Kelly]

Working on it. Just one of our missions in the realm of wagging the dog. I assume you're just talking about the AR flag.

 

[coolrda]

Good to hear.

What would be even better is if the studios turned on the 21:9 mode in their work flow for disc mastering.

Working on it. Just one of our missions in the realm of wagging the dog. I assume you're just talking about the AR flag.

Yep. Even if they don't give us enhanced for 21x9, I'd be happy with the flag that triggers auto stretch with 2.40 content when set for fixed or moveable 21x9. Thanks and keep at it.

 

[CAVX]

Working on it. Just one of our missions in the realm of wagging the dog. I assume you're just talking about the AR flag.

Yes. Not that different to how DVD had flags for 16:9 enhanced which we used to our advantage, BD and UHD should have their flags for 21:9 turned on. It would provide us with a full panel worth of image without the need to scale.

I get that most of the world is 16:9, but this allows the highest possible res for every system and for those with 16:9, the answer is simple, don't turn on the 21:9 mode, rather, leave it at 16:9.

LG(?) has already made a curved 100" 5120 x 2160 display. More will follow if there is software. In fact, all the good things about TVs these days started out in PC monitors. Those included progressive scan and high frame rates. Notice the shape of PC monitors of late? Many are moving to the "ultra wide" aspect of 2.37:1.

 

[Shawn Kelly]

Hi Mark,

Ah the glorious days when DVDs were anamorphic and the players just down converted to letterbox!

Unfortunately at this point the UHD BD flag is only considered to identify the format of the content without intention to actually provide anamorphic data.

Yep - chicken and egg. The studios aren't motivated to add UltraWide "stuff" because the market isn't big enough but in part the market isn't big enough because the studios don't put out that added UltraWide stuff. Our hoped-for ace in the hole some years ago was that Vizio put out a 21:9 panel through a major channels but they really dropped the ball on marketing so nobody bought it.

Constant encouragement seems to be the recipe of the day.

 

[CAVX]

Hi Mark,

Ah the glorious days when DVDs were anamorphic and the players just down converted to letterbox!

Unfortunately at this point the UHD BD flag is only considered to identify the format of the content without intention to actually provide anamorphic data.

One thing I've noticed since owning an OPPO (still using the 103D) is that the display actually shows the format as 16:9 regardless of the image being letterboxed or full screen.

Did some research and apparently 21:9 is part of the BD spec, they just choose not to use it.

 

[Shawn Kelly]

We were active both in the CEA working group for standards and as part of the BDA since these discussions began (under the Folded Space moniker). Again, constant "encouragement" but so far that's all we and other champions of the cause have been able to accomplish.

 

[CAVX]

We have had 16:9 for close to 30 years now. Yawn, it time for something new.

 

[sbquart]

Working on it. Just one of our missions in the realm of wagging the dog. I assume you're just talking about the AR flag.

Shawn, can you confirm they will be fixing the HDR misconvergence issue when stretching. Myself and others have noted this on the 203 thread when using our lenses. Reds and blues tend to bleed when stretching. Thanks.

 

[Shawn Kelly]

Just to confirm - are you sure it's the Oppo stretch mode or is it the lens? The Phoenix and older CineVista lenses were designed to do this and then rely on the panel alignment feature in JVC, Sony and Epson projectors to converge.

 

[coolrda]

Shawn, can you confirm they will be fixing the HDR misconvergence issue when stretching. Myself and others have noted this on the 203 thread when using our lenses. Reds and blues tend to bleed when stretching. Thanks.

I have that issue as well. Only with the Oppo scaling. No issue with the proj scaling.

 

[sbquart]

Just to confirm - are you sure it's the Oppo stretch mode or is it the lens? The Phoenix and older CineVista lenses were designed to do this and then rely on the panel alignment feature in JVC, Sony and Epson projectors to converge.

Definitely the Oppo. I can make it happen on my TV as well.

 

[CAVX]

Has this been reported to OPPO?

I have found their customer service in regards to faults to be one of the best I have dealt with.