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I have an HD-DVD player that I use for all my HD viewing. It's connected to my reciever by 5.1 anolog outputs allowing me to get TrueHD sound.


I recently purchased a PS3 and figured that I'd just sell the HD-DVD player.


What I wasn't considering is that my my reciever does not have HDMI inputs so the only way I can connect the PS3 to my reciver is by an optical cable.


Is there a noticable difference in sound in listening to a movie in TrueHD versus whatever format my reciever will accept from the Optical Cable? (It's an older Onkyo, mid priced reciever, about 5 years old) I'm assuming it supports dolby digital, DTS, etc, and it's 5.1. If there is a difference in the sound, is it enough to justify having an HD-DVD player for movies and just using my PS3 for gaming? I guess my other option is to sell the HD-DVD player and use that money to buy a new reciever that accepts HDMI...
 

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I think there is a pretty big diffrence if of course you have the speakers and surround setup already in place. I just purchased an Onkyo TXSR604 hdmi reciever for $360 from Circuit City. Its on sale for $400 and you can use a printable $40 of $199 & up Coupon. I must say I really love having full HDMI capabilities and at a price that didnt break the bank. If you plan on picking up Resistance it has a great 7.1 pcm soundtrack, Ive read several games plan on using the sound capabilities aggresivley. Also its of course nice for Bluray soundtracks too
 

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I use HDMI to my TV for video and the optical to my surround sound system and it is bad ass. I haven't heard anything else to compair but its as good as anything that has come out of my surround system. Its awsome even at only 5.1
 

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How many HDMI 1.3 receivers are there right now though? Are you really getting 20mbps of uncompressed audio right now?


I'm pretty happy with the conversion to DTS to be sent over optical on my HD-DVD player. I assume the PS3 also converts to 1.5mbps DTS over optical?
 

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Wouldn't your receiver have to support both HDMI 1.3 and True HD for you to get the True HD decoding?


I don't think that running sound through the optical would hurt. You would likely have to pay a lot to get a 1080p HDMI 1.3 receiver w/True HD.
 

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Wouldn't your receiver have to support both HDMI 1.3 and True HD for you to get the True HD decoding?


I don't think that running sound through the optical would hurt. You would likely have to pay a lot to get a 1080p HDMI 1.3 receiver w/True HD.

The PS3 internally decodes TrueHD (up to 7.1 channels) into PCM. So no, an HDMI 1.3 receiver is not needed. To get TrueHD audio in full resolution, all you need is an HDMI 1.1 receiver that accepts multichannel PCM.
 

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I've been thinking about upgrading my receiver again to take advantage of these new formats.. I can get TrueHD from my current receiver through the analog inputs (and I do for HDDVD) but I can't tell a huge difference when switching between DD and TrueHD unfortunately. I can tell that there is a difference, just not what I've expected so far.


I keep hearing how great the PCM sounds and have been tempted to upgrade the entire receiver to an HDMI one.


My question is, for a relatively inexpensive system (several year old 150w subwoofer and 7 speakers ranging anywhere in price from $30 (rear surrounds) to $60 (surrounds) to $90 (front L/R) to $150 (center).. will the difference really be worth the pricy upgrade (I'm hearing $400) to a new receiver to hear the PCM?
 

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My question is, for a relatively inexpensive system (several year old 150w subwoofer and 7 speakers ranging anywhere in price from $30 (rear surrounds) to $60 (surrounds) to $90 (front L/R) to $150 (center).. will the difference really be worth the pricy upgrade (I'm hearing $400) to a new receiver to hear the PCM?


Based on the costs of those speakers, I would say no. Unless you got those speakers used, and at an extreme discount. I'm not trying to be snobbish or anything, but I think the benefits of lossless PCM sound come with more top of the line equipment and speakers, and it also has to do with the acoustics of the room that you are using them in. For people that have dedicated home theaters and top of the line speakers, I'm sure the improvement is pretty dramatic. For people with Best Buy type speakers and no acoustical treatments or considerations, the improvement would probably be very modest.
 

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Let me see if I understand.


To get True HD out of the PS3 all I need is a reciver that will accept HDMI 1.1?


But to get PCM it will have to be a reciever that will accept HDMI 1.3?


My TV is a Samsung 61" DLP Projection HDTV (HL-S6187W) I'm not sure what version of HDMI it supports. How does this affect the setup? Is HDMI backward compatible so that I could feed 1.3 to from the PS3 to the reciever, and then 1.1 out of the reciever into the TV?
 

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Ok, i think I got it figured out by reading in some other forums. It appears I will only need a reciever with HDMI 1.1 to great sound out of my PS3. Right?


Any chance, (and I seriously doubt it) that there's a way to convert and HDMI signal into 5.1 analog? (Allowing me to keep my current reciever)
 

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Any chance, (and I seriously doubt it) that there's a way to convert and HDMI signal into 5.1 analog? (Allowing me to keep my current reciever)

Currently no such device exist. For one, it has to pass 1080i/p video unscathed AND not disrupt the HDCP handshaking. The other is that it has to take the audio and convert it to PCM; this conversion without high quality Digital-to-Analog Conversion components may make the entire process moot.


Once you've got a decent HDTV that you're happy, my advice is to save up for a new receiver. Sherwood is making TWO semi-high end ones that it will release later this year.



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Let me see if I understand.


To get True HD out of the PS3 all I need is a reciver that will accept HDMI 1.1?


But to get PCM it will have to be a reciever that will accept HDMI 1.3?


I'm pretty sure if you want to get PCM, you just need a receiver that will accept audio via HDMI and is HDMI 1.1 or better. The only reason you would need HDMI 1.3, is if Sony doesn't add DTS MA-HD via their big March firmware upgrade. Then you would need a HDMI 1.3 Receiver that also does DTS MA-HD. But for the lossless PCM that is currently on tons of Blu Rays, you just need HDMI 1.1


Of course, I could be completely wrong about all of that, I'm just trying to learn all this crap too!
 

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I'm pretty sure if you want to get PCM, you just need a receiver that will accept audio via HDMI and is HDMI 1.1 or better. The only reason you would need HDMI 1.3, is if Sony doesn't add DTS MA-HD via their big March firmware upgrade. Then you would need a HDMI 1.3 Receiver that also does DTS MA-HD. But for the lossless PCM that is currently on tons of Blu Rays, you just need HDMI 1.1


Of course, I could be completely wrong about all of that, I'm just trying to learn all this crap too!


The way you just described it is also my understanding of hdmi from many of the threads I have read here.
 

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My TV is a Samsung 61" DLP Projection HDTV (HL-S6187W) I'm not sure what version of HDMI it supports. How does this affect the setup? Is HDMI backward compatible so that I could feed 1.3 to from the PS3 to the reciever, and then 1.1 out of the reciever into the TV?

That's my question as well, as I've got an older (Samsung 42" DLP 720p native, accepts 1080i) HDTV. If I upgraded to a HDMI v 1.3 receiver, and went PS3 to receiver to TV, all via HDMI, would the TV still accept the signal? Not sure which version of HDMI it accepts, but safe to assume NOT 1.3. So, I guess I mean, are the HDMI versions backwards compatible so to speak?
 

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That's my question as well, as I've got an older (Samsung 42" DLP 720p native, accepts 1080i) HDTV. If I upgraded to a HDMI v 1.3 receiver, and went PS3 to receiver to TV, all via HDMI, would the TV still accept the signal? Not sure which version of HDMI it accepts, but safe to assume NOT 1.3. So, I guess I mean, are the HDMI versions backwards compatible so to speak?

You can answer this yourself by plugging in a HDMI cable directly to your TV now. It'll work.
Just make sure you do not check the 1080p box on the PS3 setting.



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