The Epson 4010 has worse (albeit SLIGHTLY) native contrast than even the bargain basement HT2050A (and much worse ANSI contrast which many people consider a truer measure of contrast performance— not going to bark up that tree here). I haven’t seen the 3800 but Sound and Vision measured the 3800 at 1372:1 NATIVE— This is still an improvement over the older 3700 and a significant improvement over the 4K DLP competition which, AGAIN, took a step backwards and traded contrast performance for resolution performance. We agree in this and yet keep repeating ourselves. I’m sorry you feel like you got bad advice here. You clearly have an axe to grind. But it’s also clear you haven’t seen a lot of the projectors you’re dragging/championing.This can be discussed here because it directly relates to the UHD50x. Unless you can't talk about other projectors on threads for certain models.
I wrote two long posts with arguments, but you haven't really countered them. You don't use the iris, you like DLP, etc. Ok fine, but you as someone who posts and gives advice should be able to put yourself in someone elses shoes. What does the average avs joe want?
There are many bad products that for whatever reason people enjoy, that's not a valid argument. Here on this forum, if a potential user asks I would expect to be given a more thoughtfull advice. Is it unreasonable to assume they would appreciate an image with proper contrast?
I am one of those people that did not receive the right advice in the begging. This is where I'm getting at, I know what it's like to be on the receiving end. I think, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, that there is a huge difference between a 1080p DLP that can do at most 2500:1 dynamic and an Epson HC3000 or 4000, even 2000 series, which can go to 10 or 30+K dynamic. I would have been reticent to buy a used higher CR model like Sony HW, JVC, or some older models from Panasonic/other brands, but a new HC3100/3700 would have been very nice. I don't give a hoot if DLP is sharper (106" from ~10') or has better motion handling. HC3000 series is sharp enough. And I would love a brighter projector even though highest CR models JVC are not that bright.
Making the assumption that new buyers will not notice or appreciate contrast/black level is a huge error in judgement of those who recommend products here. For the general population. Recently I've tried to recommend the unit with the highest CR that fits the questioner's setup. That means a lot of Epson.
Assuming the recommendation is done in good faith and that individual does not have some agenda.
As I mentioned before, if someone ends up on this forum, they're already in another category of buyer.
I was trying to point out that even in the $2K category or thereabouts models with better contrast than DLP can be had, which IMO should be the priority when recommending a product. Yours was a recent post that mentioned a great choice in a high CR model in this price range.
Maybe I watched too much content, but low ADL scenes look like someone's thrown a bucket milk on the screen and just take you out of the experience. Isn't the entire purpose of entertainment to be an escape, relaxation, fantasy enjoyment? It's like someone waking you up every 30 minutes when you're having nice dreams. They're putting billions of dollars a lot of work into it, so if possible whoever is viewing should have the best equipment they can afford. I don't see how anything I've said is controversial.
If you want better contrast save your pennies and buy an Epson 5050UB or settle for 1080p and buy a Sony 45ES. Those two are the best you’re going to do in this price range when it comes to contrast and both will blow the doors off the 4K DLPs, 1080p DLPs and HD/UHD Epsons below them. (IDK maybe I ended up on the wrong end of the recession but $3000 for a projector is not something I would call for the ‘average joe’ but it’s still within the scope of this forum so it’s worth discussing.)