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So basically the UHD50X is better? I wonder if they're about to release a 60X or 70 for higher end.
It's better at having lower lag.

High end of what?
There are a few things projectors can be improved on, and each of those have different costs. Optoma also only makes DLP which is not good with contrast/black level so it's not going to improve that.

The UHD50X is expensive enough. Gamers are not in the same market category as AV enthusiast. They won't pay the original asking price of this mode, which as over 3K$. Optoma's latest models are 1080p DLP laser based, so that's where it's likely going to go.
 

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So basically the UHD50X is better? I wonder if they're about to release a 60X or 70 for higher end.
It's better at having lower lag.

High end of what?
There are a few things projectors can be improved on, and each of those have different costs. Optoma also only makes DLP which is not good with contrast/black level so it's not going to improve that.

The UHD50X is expensive enough. Gamers are not in the same market category as AV enthusiast. They won't pay the original asking price of this mode, which as over 3K$. Optoma's latest models are 1080p DLP laser based, so that's where it's likely going to go.
Looking for better PQ. I like inky blacks. Planning on getting a screen with audio transparency

$1600ish is probably my max. Looking for 4K native and 120hz 1080p.

What should I be looking at?
 

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Looking for better PQ. I like inky blacks. Planning on getting a screen with audio transparency

$1600ish is probably my max. Looking for 4K native and 120hz 1080p.

What should I be looking at?
The projector you're looking doesn't exist.

Regardless of the projector type and screen, ambient light and and wall reflections will affect contrast and black level.
Example:
https://www.facebook.com/projectiondream/videos/1692721894385217/

The only 4K native projectors are from JVC and Sony, which are well above 1.6K%.

The lag on these units is around 30ms.

They can only do 60Hz. Some 4K DLP can do 120Hz in 1080p.
But there are much cheaper 1080p models that can do 120Hz with ~8ms lag, and can accept a 4K signal.

The only projectors that can be described as having inky blacks are JVC.

So there's no projector that can do it all. You can get a two projector system, for whatever is needed.

In that budget projectors with ok blacks can be had (if the room is treated):
Refurbished Epson 5040UB in you're located in North America.
Used JVC. More than ok blacks.
Used/new Sony HW series. 1080p only.
 

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The projector you're looking doesn't exist.

Regardless of the projector type and screen, ambient light and and wall reflections will affect contrast and black level.
Example:
https://www.facebook.com/projectiondream/videos/1692721894385217/

The only 4K native projectors are from JVC and Sony, which are well above 1.6K%.

The lag on these units is around 30ms.

They can only do 60Hz. Some 4K DLP can do 120Hz in 1080p.
But there are much cheaper 1080p models that can do 120Hz with ~8ms lag, and can accept a 4K signal.

The only projectors that can be described as having inky blacks are JVC.

So there's no projector that can do it all. You can get a two projector system, for whatever is needed.

In that budget projectors with ok blacks can be had (if the room is treated):
Refurbished Epson 5040UB in you're located in North America.
Used JVC. More than ok blacks.
Used/new Sony HW series. 1080p only.
I really appreciate the info. I'm brand new to projectors. I might then look into a 1080p that accepts 4K signal and down converts. I would really like 120hz if possible. This will be in a basement with only one small window in the room that is frosted, and will be able to be covered by a black curtain. I love my blacks (coming from Plasma/OLED) and this will only be used primarily at night.

I guess with that information my current wish list would be:

1080p 120hz w/4K accept
HDR
blackest blacks on a budget
low ms response but that's not my main concern

largest picture at 13' (ideally 120-150" diagonal)

looking at the 5040 and 6040. and also the 4040 which I can't tell any difference other than being black and called "Pro"?
 

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I really appreciate the info. I'm brand new to projectors. I might then look into a 1080p that accepts 4K signal and down converts. I would really like 120hz if possible. This will be in a basement with only one small window in the room that is frosted, and will be able to be covered by a black curtain. I love my blacks (coming from Plasma/OLED) and this will only be used primarily at night.

I guess with that information my current wish list would be:

1080p 120hz w/4K accept
HDR
blackest blacks on a budget
low ms response but that's not my main concern

largest picture at 13' (ideally 120-150" horizontal)
What color are the walls in the basement?

DLP generally speaking has very poor black level. So if you want 120Hz that's what is possible. Blacks will be milky grey.
Treating the room will help any projector. The area closest to the screen should be treated, including ceiling and screen wall.

Screen size should be chosen after the projector is on a wall for a few weeks.

There's a few models that can do 120Hz, all from Optoma, the main difference being where they can be positioned from.
Of course the UHD50X.
GT1080HDR
HD39HDR
HD27HDR

and these:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-digital-projectors-under-3-000-usd-msrp/3127004-optoma-announces-three-new-projectors-gt1090hdr-hz39hdr-hd28hdr.html


HDR is a complicated issue. It's a new feature. Every manufacturer has it's own algorithm that tone maps HDR to what the projector is capable of. Older models are poor, but newer ones aren't great either.
 

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thanks to you both!

I wonder what is the lowest price I could pay for 4K native with 1080p 120hz, and deep blacks (but not necessarily JVC).

Maybe the UHD65 would fit that bill. would be $2500 though.

The HZ39HDR might work too and it's Laser, so no bulb. I assume deeper blacks due to laser. But not 120hz yet? via firmware update looks like.
 

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thanks to you both!

I wonder what is the lowest price I could pay for 4K native with 1080p 120hz, and deep blacks (but not necessarily JVC).

Maybe the UHD65 would fit that bill. would be $2500 though.
The UHD65 is not native 4K, can't do 120Hz in 1080p (?), and does not have deep blacks. It's still a DLP. And IMO is not bright enough for screen over 125".
 

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The UHD65 is not native 4K, can't do 120Hz in 1080p (?), and does not have deep blacks. It's still a DLP. And IMO is not bright enough for screen over 125".
Seems that certain reviews are lying then. One of the first links that comes up in google is "Optoma UHD65 Native 4K UHD 2200 Lumen"

I must have confused the 120hz with another projector. But I watched a few comparison videos and the blacks look decent (in comparison, not in person, of course)

so it gets dimmer the bigger you go with the screen? Good to know. I'll keep that in mind.
 

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thanks to you both!

I wonder what is the lowest price I could pay for 4K native with 1080p 120hz, and deep blacks (but not necessarily JVC).

Maybe the UHD65 would fit that bill. would be $2500 though.

The HZ39HDR might work too and it's Laser, so no bulb. I assume deeper blacks due to laser.
The UHD60/65 use a .66in XPR DLP DMD that has 2716 x 1528 pixels, which are then shifted by .5 pixels to produce 8.3M individually addressable pixels, and thus meet the industry standard for consumer true 4k displays.

The UHD50 series and many other projectors (examples = HT3550/TK850) use a .47in 1920x1080 DMD which are shifted twice to produce 8.3M individually addressable pixels, and thus meet the industry standard for consumer true 4k displays.

The HZ39HDR will accept a 4K HDR signal and downsample it to 1080p HDR as it does not use XPR technology. There is supposedly a firmware revision in the works to allow for 1080p 120hz currently, AFAIK, it is limited to 60hz. It should have higher contrast than the XPR chips and the laser should allow higher dynamic contrast.

I use my UHD50 on a low gain grey painted ~145in screen and I'm quite happy with it, and to me the black levels are quite good, especially when there are bright highlights (even stars) in the scene. Your opinion might be different. IMHO a UHD65 would do well at the same size with a higher gain screen.

There are a number of UHD60 and UHD65 (and a look at the UHD50) comparison articles and links to accompanying video reviews here:

https://www.tvspecialists.com/blog-index/
 

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thanks to you both!

I wonder what is the lowest price I could pay for 4K native with 1080p 120hz, and deep blacks (but not necessarily JVC).

Maybe the UHD65 would fit that bill. would be $2500 though.

The HZ39HDR might work too and it's Laser, so no bulb. I assume deeper blacks due to laser.
The UHD60/65 use a .66in XPR DLP DMD that has 2716 x 1528 pixels, which are then shifted by .5 pixels to produce 8.3M individually addressable pixels, and thus meet the industry standard for consumer true 4k displays.

The UHD50 series and many other projectors (examples = HT3550/TK850) use a .47in 1920x1080 DMD which are shifted twice to produce 8.3M individually addressable pixels, and thus meet the industry standard for consumer true 4k displays.

The HZ39HDR will accept a 4K HDR signal and downsample it to 1080p HDR as it does not use XPR technology. There is supposedly a firmware revision in the works to allow for 1080p 120hz currently, AFAIK, it is limited to 60hz. It should have higher contrast than the XPR chips and the laser should allow higher dynamic contrast.

I use my UHD50 on a low gain grey painted ~145in screen and I'm quite happy with it, and to me the black levels are quite good, especially when there are bright highlights (even stars) in the scene. Your opinion might be different. IMHO a UHD65 would do well at the same size with a higher gain screen.

There are a number of UHD60 and UHD65 (and a look at the UHD50) comparison articles and links to accompanying video reviews here:

https://www.tvspecialists.com/blog-index/
Thank you!!
 

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Seems that certain reviews are lying then. One of the first links that comes up in google is "Optoma UHD65 Native 4K UHD 2200 Lumen"

I must have confused the 120hz with another projector. But I watched a few comparison videos and the blacks look decent (in comparison, not in person, of course)

so it gets dimmer the bigger you go with the screen? Good to know. I'll keep that in mind.

I don't want to overburden with information. Native 4K vs. Pixel shifted 4K with 0.47DMD vs. Pixel shifted 4K with 0.66DMD vs. LCoS SXRD vs. LCoS DILA. Addressable numbers of pixels, 4K enhancements, etc.

There are many aspect of projection. The best way to familiarize yourself with projector is to buy a cheap one and spend some time with it. If you read all the literature without hands on experience it will be more difficult. You don't have a point of reference.



It's not easy to judge how a projector actually looks like from pictures/videos on the internet. IRL DLP's have the poorest black level and contrast.

Picture quality is subjective.
JVC projectors in a room covered in black velvet are the only ones that will approach OLED level black level. A DLP projector, even in a treated room will be similar to an IPS monitor or worse.

Not saying that you won't be happy with the result, the extra diagonal delivers something regular size TV"s can't, and the poorer black levels might not big of an issue. You might not want to chase the same goals in projection type setup as you would in a TV.


So the best advice I can give is to buy a cheap 1080 DLP projector, and stay with it for a year or so. Lamp based. Lasers are still relatively new and it's unclear what the issues might be. Since they are new you'll essentially be a beta tester.

I would choose from either the Optoma GT1080HDR or HD39HDR.
The GT1080 has a much shorter throw.
Use this calculator for projector calculations:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-GT1080HDR-projection-calculator-pro.htm
Or
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-HD39HDR-projection-calculator-pro.htm
 

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I don't want to overburden with information. Native 4K vs. Pixel shifted 4K with 0.47DMD vs. Pixel shifted 4K with 0.66DMD vs. LCoS SXRD vs. LCoS DILA. Addressable numbers of pixels, 4K enhancements, etc.

There are many aspect of projection. The best way to familiarize yourself with projector is to buy a cheap one and spend some time with it. If you read all the literature without hands on experience it will be more difficult. You don't have a point of reference.



It's not easy to judge how a projector actually looks like from pictures/videos on the internet. IRL DLP's have the poorest black level and contrast.

Picture quality is subjective.
JVC projectors in a room covered in black velvet are the only ones that will approach OLED level black level. A DLP projector, even in a treated room will be similar to an IPS monitor or worse.

Not saying that you won't be happy with the result, the extra diagonal delivers something regular size TV"s can't, and the poorer black levels might not big of an issue. You might not want to chase the same goals in projection type setup as you would in a TV.


So the best advice I can give is to buy a cheap 1080 DLP projector, and stay with it for a year or so. Lamp based. Lasers are still relatively new and it's unclear what the issues might be. Since they are new you'll essentially be a beta tester.

I would choose from either the Optoma GT1080HDR or HD39HDR.
The GT1080 has a much shorter throw.
Use this calculator for projector calculations:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-GT1080HDR-projection-calculator-pro.htm
Or
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-HD39HDR-projection-calculator-pro.htm
Thanks!
 

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Got mine today!!! Using this evening when I get home from work.

Replacing my old Panasonic ae7000.


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So I got it roughly installed.


So far, not liking the like frame around the image.

I'm hoping it's just a setting off. I attached an image.

Also, cannot find the setting to put the bulb into eco mode.

Anyone have any ideas?
 

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So I got it roughly installed.


So far, not liking the like frame around the image.

I'm hoping it's just a setting off. I attached an image.

Also, cannot find the setting to put the bulb into eco mode.

Anyone have any ideas?
You typically have to turn off Dynamic Black to turn on eco mode. DB on has better lamp life.

What size and type of screen are you using? That sorta looks like the light frame from the original .47in XPR chip, as used in the UHD50.
 

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This is the uhd50x.

No screen, directly on the wall.


Also directly connected to computer can't get it higher then 60hz at 1080p.

Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
 

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This is the uhd50x.

No screen, directly on the wall.


Also directly connected to computer can't get it higher then 60hz at 1080p.

Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
OK, but what size image? I know you're using a UHD50x, but you still have to turn off DB to engage Eco mode, and the light frame looks like that found on the UHD50.

You may have to go into: Display Adapter Properties -> Monitor settings and uncheck The Hide modes that this monitor cannot display box and then go into
Display Adapter Properties -> adapter and click on the display all modes button, and hopefully your desired resolution and refresh rate will show up.
 

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Ok I got it. This thing is REALLY smooth now. lol

In the nvidia app, had to keep scrolling down past 480p. Then I saw more resolutions there under the "PC" section, with the 240hz.

Didn't expect it to be hidden that far down.





Also, got the light border down a little, but its due to my installation. I have keystone, so that made the lightborder more noticeable until i can more permanently mount it and disable keystone. With no keystone, the light border was almost gone, but still there, but not annoying.

Also, got eco mode to work. DB has to be off.

Now i need a good tool to calibrate brightness and contrast.
 
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