[Terence]

I'm sure some of you seen this, but if not good. Looks like everyone is getting into the sub game.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/images/su...pective_lg.jpg

http://www.outlawaudio.com/images/sub_bottom_lg.jpg

http://www.outlawaudio.com/images/sub_back_lg.jpg


Model LFM-1 Specifications


Driver Type: Down Firing, 12" Long-throw Woofer


Ports: Dual


Amplifier Power Rating: 325WRMS; 1300W peak


Frequency Response: 25Hz. -180Hz. +/- 2 dB


Crossover Type: Linkwitz-Reilly 4th Order Low Pass Network


Crossover Frequency: 40Hz to 180Hz and Bypass


Phase: 0 to 180 Degrees


SPL: 115dB (subject to placement and room gain)


Dimensions: (HxWxD) 21.75†x 15.0†x 22.0â€


Weight: 58 lbs

 

[Terence]

I love this hobby it's always something new coming out for us to talk about. Keeps it fresh.

 

[DMF]

List price $579.


Here's the link: http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1.html


Has anyone heard them yet? They've just started shipping.

 

[oldskoolboarder]

if i'm not mistaken, this is a sub that was designed by Hsu for Outlaw.

 

[fabulousfrankie]

Given Outlaw's reputation with their other products, I'm sure it will be a great product.

 

[ClutchBrake]

I wonder if this thread will disappear like the threads started by people talking about the new SVS PC-Ultra...

 

[mendes9]

I've read it's supposed to be an HSU STF-2 clone..

 

[F355]

can the tune be changed? can it be made to go deeper with foam plugs or the like?

 

[Tex-amp]

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Originally posted by mendes9 I've read it's supposed to be an HSU STF-2 clone..

STF-3 is the 12" I believe. I'd pay Hsu the extra $20 and get their 7 year warranty over Outlaws 3 years. Anybody figure out how the Outlaw version is 20 lbs. lighter?

 

[markotran]

There is no variable tune on this model.


The weight is given pre-ship.


Dr. Hsu did help design, but Outlaw had major input too (whereas with STF series, Hsu had 100% of the input).


Two LFM-1s are going now for a special of $999. That is amazing. Quad ports, 650 watts, two 12 inch drivers. A DIYer would be hard-pressed to very significantly top that.

 

[fabulousfrankie]

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Originally posted by markotran Two LFM-1s are going now for a special of $999. That is amazing. Quad ports, 650 watts, two 12 inch drivers. A DIYer would be hard-pressed to very significantly top that.

I wouldn't go that far...the DIY'er doesn't have to worry about size restrictions. When you don't care about size(like I didnt' when I built mine) it's not difficult.


Regardless, it still seems like it would be a good deal, I really would be intereted in knowing how similar it is to the VTF-3 though.

 

[markotran]

sorry I meant a DIYer looking to have a reasonably good finished and similarly sized box/es as a sub system. There is no doubt that any commercial vendor would be very hard pressed to offer as much at that price.


it is tough to say exactly how siimlar to STF-3 it would be. Dr. Hsu had the final decision on everything in the STF/VTF line, whereas with Outlaw he helped design it but did not make all the design decision himself.

 

[DMF]

Outlaw doesn't have a track record on speakers. They have an *excellent* track record on electronics.


I wouldn't be surprised if they supplied the overall design target and electronics, and Dr. Hsu did much of the enclosure and driver specs.


From what I understand, it is most definitely not a clone of any existing product.

 

[Tex-amp]

The only real difference I could find is that the Hsu uses a 6th order crossover and the Outlaw a 4th order. What is the function of a cross-over in a sub? Is it used at all if you use LFE input?


Since the STF series and Outlaw arrived on the market at the same time technically it isn't a clone of an "existing" product. A twin maybe?

 

[diamond]

Difference:

crossover LFM-1 40~180hz higher for satellite

STF-3 30~90hz lower for very hi-end floor

Port position LFM-1 Down port easier to hide the sub

STF-3 Upper Back Can't cover with table cloth

Spike LFM-1 Metal spike with metal disc for hardwood floor

STF-3 Plastic spike recommend rug for hardwood

Enclosure LFM-1 plyglass top

STF-3 Vinyl top

Power swith LFM-1 independent beside auto-on/off (save you 5w)

STF-3 auto-on/off

Line input LFM-1 LFE single

STF-3 stereo dual

Warranty LFM-1 3y electronic, 3y driver

STF-3 2y electronic, 7y driver

price LFM-1 $579+64 shipping

STF-3 $599+50 shipping

promotion: LFM-1 give away $79 sub cable, STF-3 waive shipping cost.

special event: 1st batch of STF-3 is tuned @20hz by mistake, so LFM-1 gets louder and STF-3 gets lower.

If you want to toggle between louder and lower, plain VTF-3 is on sale for $699+free shipping now. (VTF-3 is spec for 350w/rms and +/-1db @20hz, I suspect it uses an ultra driver to achieve it.)

 

[cschang]

Power swith LFM-1 independent beside auto-on/off (save you 5w)

STF-3 auto-on/off


I think the STF has the same switch...just the wording is different.

Port position LFM-1 Down port easier to hide the sub

STF-3 Upper Back Can't cover with table cloth


This one is interesting too, since Hsu recommends 3" for breathing. I wonder how that affects the LFM-1....it is not 3" off the floor.

 

[tuskenraider]

Quote:

I suspect it uses an ultra driver to achieve it.

Hsu uses that name for one of their drivers?

 

[cschang]

Quote:

Originally posted by tuskenraider Hsu uses that name for one of their drivers?

Not that I have heard/read.

 

[ClutchBrake]

SVS labels one of their drivers "Ultra". I don't know if Hsu does the same.

 

[Tex-amp]

diamond nice job. thanks.