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We are hoping to finish up priming our walls tonight, and will need to pick our paint soon.


What brands of paint are recommended? My drywall guy recommended Kelly Moore, as he says all the professional painters he sees use it. Not sure if that's a local only or national brand. I've heard recommendations to NOT use the cheap paint at HD & Lowes. So what brands are good and what brands should I avoid?


Also, do you have any painting tips for a first time painter? Things you wish you knew before you started? It will be for a dedicated basement front projection theater. We will probably be going with a dark red (burgandy) and dark blue (navy) color scheme. Not sure if we will paint the ceiling black or dark blue yet. We are priming with a primer made for new drywall, don't have the brand with me right now. It is not tinted. I have since read that it helps to use a gray tinted primer under reds, so if that really helps I may add another coat of primer on surfaces that will be red.


Thanks,

Guy
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We've been very happy using Duron, Signature Series, Velvet Flat paints.

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We are hoping to finish up priming our walls tonight, and will need to pick our paint soon.


What brands of paint are recommended? My drywall guy recommended Kelly Moore, as he says all the professional painters he sees use it.

Keep in mind many professional painters will quote with the lowest price decent paint brand they can. As a painting subcontractor you get jobs by being the low bid not by providing the top quality paint and the highest quality of workmanship. If you want the best paint the question to ask is not what paint they use the most, but what paint they consider the highest quality. Around this part of the country the reply is typically Benjamin Moore followed by Pratt and Lambert.
Also Checkout EllenKennon's full spectrum paints. They are Full Spectrum and have a very nice texture to them. If you have ICI paints close by, you can order their paint from EllenKennon's site and pick up from the local ICI paints.
Behr HD paints have always worked well for me. Check out the recent Consumer Reports - HD pretty much got top marks in most catagories.


As for my best painting tip here is one that I recently learned for getting crisp, perfect edge lines.


After you tape off the area you want to protect, do a light coat of the paint that is below the tape all along the edges. This seals the tape and any color that may bleed under the tape will be the same color of whatever is already under the tape. Let this initial coat dry. Then you paint the area that you wanted to paint like normal. Let everything dry completely before removing the tape. You should get razor sharp lines with almost no need for touch up. The extra initial coat of paint is well worth not having to go back with a touch up brush and fix all of the rough edges.


I use this technique everytime I paint trim or in areas where paint colors change for example between walls and ceiling assuming you don't have crown molding. It's a huge time saver in the long run. I only wish I learned it before I completed painting most of the new house already.


And one more thing - I only use the painters tape for "sensative surfaces". It's a few dollars more per roll, but it too is worth it - especially when working with flat paints that aren't entirely cured.
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Make sure you keep a "wet edge" while painting, and keep your roller loaded. Ie, don't try to cover too much area with one roller load. The result will be lines where you overlap. This is even harder to do in a dry environment (ie, furnace heat - low humidity in the room) If you notice this happening, add some Flotrol to your paint. Flotrol does not thin or change the paint color, but it does help keep a wet edge and eliminate the lines.


I also agree with getting the best quality paint you can find. I would budget $20 - $25 a gallon.


Tom
I usually buy what is on sale at the time at Menards. Have never had any problems and I think it looks pretty darn good. I use a pad with wheels for corners.
Benjamin Moore.


I've used a wide range of their paints from pearl finished ceiling white to flat deep base colors, the stuff goes on great.
We have been very happy with the American Traditions line from lowes, but I think most acrylic paints are good to work with. As for tips.


Definitely put down a tinted primer, you are probably better off with two coats. I found that it doesn't cut down the number of coats, but since primer is half the price it saves you money. We used a very dark red in out theater and I only used one coat of primer but still needed 2 coats of paint to get it even. I should have done two coats of primer and 1 of paint.


If you need to tape (i.e. you are doing stripes) the method that Cathan mentions is very useful.


For most edges you do not need to tape. It can be very hard to tape a straight line and I found it always came out looking worse when I relied on tape. If you learn the proper technique and use a good angle brush (I like purdy) you can do a better job than any other way. Definitely stay away from the "edge" tools. Check out this video.


Believe me, once you learn to load the brush (dip and slap) and flow the paint into the corner you will get great edges. People are always shocked that I don't use tape.


Also check out my link below. If you like the color PM me and I will send you the name.



--stefan
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I am an interior designer and have used practically every brand of paint there is. The absolute best paint out there is Benjamin Moore Matte Finish. The matte finish has the great look of flat while being as durable and scrubbable as high-gloss.


My next choice would be American Traditions from Lowes. This is a very high quality paint from Valspar.


I do not like these other popular brands for the following reasons...


Duron/Sherwin Williams - VERY poor coverage quality. It takes 3 to 5 coats depending on color to get consistant color. Also, their dark colors are not even available in the "Super Paint" or higher lines.


Behr - It takes WAY too many coats to get a consistant sheen, no matter which sheen you pick. i.e. flat, eggshell, semi-gloss etc. Also, on new freshly primered drywall Behr soaks in too much and ruins any chance of getting it right.


So even though Benjamin Moore Matte costs $40 a gallon, you use a lot less, thus it's cheaper than others.


As for tips... ALWAYS use a deeply colored primer for dark colors or you will end up using twice as much of the higher priced paint instead of one coat of low cost primer. Also, use good quality rollers for your type of wall surface. If it is plain old drywall choose a "Smooth Surface" roller. It will take more reloads than a "Semi-Smooth" roller but you will get a MUCH smoother finish without leaving tiny waves of paint all over the walls.


Hope this helps.
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My choice, also, would be American Traditions from Lowes.


I had my house built 3 years ago and went in before the move and painted ever wall with American Traditions. This is the first paint I ever used that truely covered in one coat as advertised. (The dark blue in the HT did take two coats). Just last week the wife nicked the wall and I pulled out the original paint that I used and rolled about a 3 foot square area and the color blended with the wall as if I had painted the whole wall. No fading in this paint in 3 years.
Thanks very much for all the useful information, keep it coming.


I have a question about primer. Since I am painting burgandy and dark blue, what kind of primer should I use? I read in another thread that red tinted primer didn't work well for reds, but that a gray primer worked well if you are painting reds.


I just ran out of the primer I bought, so I need to buy more. I am trying to decide if buy more of the white primer I have to finish the walls, or something else. I'm wondering if my best bet would be to buy a little more of my current primer to finish a first coat of primer, and then do a second coat with a gray primer? If that's the best way to go, what kind of gray primer should I get?


Thanks,

Guy

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For most edges you do not need to tape. It can be very hard to tape a straight line and I found it always came out looking worse when I relied on tape. If you learn the proper technique and use a good angle brush (I like purdy) you can do a better job than any other way. Definitely stay away from the "edge" tools. Check out this video. ...

--stefan

That's funny 'cause I've had the opposite experience. I can't free-hand a long straight edge for the life of me. But I can lay down tape without any issues. I'm sure it just boils down to what someone has practiced. And since taping involves an additional cost, most pro's learn to do without.


As for primer - I can't answer your question. I've always moved into houses with white painted walls. I don't primer over them and just do two coats of color.
Benjamin Moore is excellent paint. Goes on great, low to no spatter, good coverage, low voc.


Craigo
I'm going to 3rd Ben Moore, my family has been a dealer for many decades and they've always had consistant, beautiful product. Their Fresh Start primer is simply amazing as well.
Brand of paint is like asking if you like Democrats or Republicans.
Though I will agree that the American Traditions is a good paint. I've not had the negative results mentioned with the Behr paint but I haven't used Behr with a dark color either.


Just another tip. I bought, and absolutely love the Wagner Paint Mate Stick Roller. It was about $29 bucks at HD. I'm not sure how the pros feel about it but for painting large rooms I thought it was awesome. It is longer so you don't have to bend over as much and can reach up to the ceiling and to get more paint on the roller you just squeeze the lever and keep on rolling. You put a snap on lid that has a pick up tube on the top of your paint can and it just sucks the paint up into the "stick."


The only times I don't like it is it takes about 20-30min to clean-up when your done and secondly, since it is long it doesn't work well in small rooms or hallways. If I was just painting a bathroom or hallway I definately wouldn't use it. Anybody else use one of these?


I also second the recommendation of don't let your roller get too dry and always keep a wet edge.
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American Traditions from Lowes is got to be the worst paint I have ever used. We ended up disposing of over $500 worth of American Traditions. We could not get clean even coverage with out streaks.

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Brand of paint is like asking if you like Democrats or Republicans.
Though I will agree that the American Traditions is a good paint. I've not had the negative results mentioned with the Behr paint but I haven't used Behr with a dark color either.


Just another tip. I bought, and absolutely love the Wagner Paint Mate Stick Roller. ... Anybody else use one of these?

I bought one of their power painter units this summer. It's great for larger spaces and ceilings. When I had to paint an entire floors ceiling over a weekend it was a life saver. My back was killing me as it was. Bending down to reload would have put me in the ground. Given the long clean up time and the cost of the roller heads, I can't say it's good for all jobs. Given I'm redoing an entire house I'm happy with the purchase. I wouldn't recommend for just one room if that was the extent of the project.

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Thanks very much for all the useful information, keep it coming.


I have a question about primer. Since I am painting burgandy and dark blue, what kind of primer should I use? I read in another thread that red tinted primer didn't work well for reds, but that a gray primer worked well if you are painting reds.


I just ran out of the primer I bought, so I need to buy more. I am trying to decide if buy more of the white primer I have to finish the walls, or something else. I'm wondering if my best bet would be to buy a little more of my current primer to finish a first coat of primer, and then do a second coat with a gray primer? If that's the best way to go, what kind of gray primer should I get?


Thanks,

Guy

Dark Gray Primer- either Fresh Start by Ben Moore or Zinsser brand. I have had terrific luck with them on reds and blues. Add me to the Benjamin Moore fan club
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Duron - VERY poor coverage quality. It takes 3 to 5 coats depending on color to get consistant color. Also, their dark colors are not even available in the "Super Paint" or higher lines.

Hmmm...never had either of these issues. The Signature Series Velvet Flat is available in all the dark colors and is almost pudding like going on. Always covered well with no more then two coats, except when we painted a red which required four coats. Near flat in sheen and very durable and washable. We've used it for all the rooms in our house and are vary satisfied.
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