I´m going to use my flat wall to make my home theater screen. I have a G11 and I want to know if everybody knows a special paint to do it, and where I can buy it? Is better gray or white paint? It´s a really bad option against the comercial screens?
Paint for a G11 screen?
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Chris,
Please post those Benjamin Moore paint numbers.
Bob
Please post those Benjamin Moore paint numbers.
Bob
Yes, please post -- I'm painting a screen wall tomorrow!
I got a recipe from an old post on the screens forum a while ago. It was for Sherwin Williams paint: 1Ga Luminous White + 1 Oz Lampe Black + 1/2 Oz med brown (optional). All colors in flat or satin.
I'd be interested to know anybody's experience w. Benjamin Moore vs. Sherwin Williams (esp. the above recipe).
FWIW, I'm using a LP530 which will be on the economy, 1600 lumen setting most of the time. Its about 11 feet from the
"screen." The room is reasonably, but not perfectly, light controlled.
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I got a recipe from an old post on the screens forum a while ago. It was for Sherwin Williams paint: 1Ga Luminous White + 1 Oz Lampe Black + 1/2 Oz med brown (optional). All colors in flat or satin.
I'd be interested to know anybody's experience w. Benjamin Moore vs. Sherwin Williams (esp. the above recipe).
FWIW, I'm using a LP530 which will be on the economy, 1600 lumen setting most of the time. Its about 11 feet from the
"screen." The room is reasonably, but not perfectly, light controlled.
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The Benjamin Moore paint I used is "Pastel Base 282 1B". It is a white with no tints in it at all. Many whites I found to have either yellows or blues in them. I'm sure Sherwin Williams has a comparable white, but don't know what the number would be.
The "Lamp Black" is not a paint, it is a colorant. It comes in a 1 or 2 oz bottle. Mine is labeled "Instint Colorant Lamp Black. It's much like ink, and for sure don't spill any of it. It DOES NOT clean up. Guess how I know that. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/frown.gif
Anyway, get a gallon of paint, then mix into a quart at a time only a COUPLE DROPS of the colorant. Any more than that and you'll be heading back to the paint store for more white. Guess how I know that. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/redface.gif
I ended up with a grey that is remarkably close to the color of a freinds Greyhawk, mostly by luck. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif
Actually, I did do some different shades of grey, comparing them to the white. At first I was way too dark. The whites in an image looked too pale. I'm trying to find something around the house to give a comparison grey to and the closest I can find is the DILA remote. Try to get about half the grey on the screen as compared to the remote.
Hope his helps.
Chris
The "Lamp Black" is not a paint, it is a colorant. It comes in a 1 or 2 oz bottle. Mine is labeled "Instint Colorant Lamp Black. It's much like ink, and for sure don't spill any of it. It DOES NOT clean up. Guess how I know that. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/frown.gif
Anyway, get a gallon of paint, then mix into a quart at a time only a COUPLE DROPS of the colorant. Any more than that and you'll be heading back to the paint store for more white. Guess how I know that. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/redface.gif
I ended up with a grey that is remarkably close to the color of a freinds Greyhawk, mostly by luck. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif
Actually, I did do some different shades of grey, comparing them to the white. At first I was way too dark. The whites in an image looked too pale. I'm trying to find something around the house to give a comparison grey to and the closest I can find is the DILA remote. Try to get about half the grey on the screen as compared to the remote.
Hope his helps.
Chris
I am using a painted screen for my LP350 and get amazing results. The beauty of paint is that it is inexpensive and you can experiment. I first had neutral gray and then went to pink to correct the greenish skin tones of DLP.
For you I recommend gray paint to improve black levels. Get flat paint. Any kind of sheen in the paint causes hotspotting. Also, you can paint the area around your "screen" flat black. The results look very professional. People can't tell I have a painted screen and ask what type of screen I have.
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For you I recommend gray paint to improve black levels. Get flat paint. Any kind of sheen in the paint causes hotspotting. Also, you can paint the area around your "screen" flat black. The results look very professional. People can't tell I have a painted screen and ask what type of screen I have.
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The paint I used for the screen for my G15 (so it's a little brighter) was Glidden Evermore. Flat, of course.
I started by buying a pint (or is it a quart? the small ones) of both Snowfield and Universal Grey, and then painting small sections of canvas with each. I ended up wanting something inbetween the two, so I went back to Home Depot and got a gallon of pure white with the amount of lamp black halfway between the two, and no other color pigments.
The gallon was plenty for 3 coats on my 102x56 screen. The first coat took about half the gallon due to the canvas soaking up lots of paint. Probably could have done a fourth coat, but seemed like overkil.
And it looks fantastic. I haven't seen a greyhawk in person, but I imagine it's pretty close to that color.
I started by buying a pint (or is it a quart? the small ones) of both Snowfield and Universal Grey, and then painting small sections of canvas with each. I ended up wanting something inbetween the two, so I went back to Home Depot and got a gallon of pure white with the amount of lamp black halfway between the two, and no other color pigments.
The gallon was plenty for 3 coats on my 102x56 screen. The first coat took about half the gallon due to the canvas soaking up lots of paint. Probably could have done a fourth coat, but seemed like overkil.
And it looks fantastic. I haven't seen a greyhawk in person, but I imagine it's pretty close to that color.
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nachin,
Here's everything that's on the front of the can:
Benjamin Moore
Professional Coatings
Moorecraft Super Hide Latex Flat
Pastel Base 282 1B
I got this at my local paint store, but this outlet mostly serves the professional house painters in my area, so my guess is that this is a commercial paint.
Chris
Here's everything that's on the front of the can:
Benjamin Moore
Professional Coatings
Moorecraft Super Hide Latex Flat
Pastel Base 282 1B
I got this at my local paint store, but this outlet mostly serves the professional house painters in my area, so my guess is that this is a commercial paint.
Chris
I've used a Finnaren & Haley paint for a screen.
Before going with the paint I had ordered material samples from Da-Lite and Stewart. The Da-Lite samples arrived first. They are small samples mounted on 8.5 x 11 pages. Frankly, way too small to evaluate performance.
Do not ever try to do side by side comparisons of screen material, it won't work. First off, the projector needs to be re-calibrated for each material. Second, the side by side comparison creates bias which messes with the brain. We see the brightest white as white, and the darkest as black. A side by side will invariably make the white on a darker material seem gray, whereas, viewing just the darker material white will look white. It's hard to explain, just take my word for it.
The Da-Lite High Contrast grey material seemed to be just a flat grey with no real special reflective properties.
I took the sample down to the store and matched a paint to it, hoping to be able to get an entire surface of that shade so that I could do a better analysis.
I did a few things. First, I prepped the entire wall by rolling on a watered down Sheetrock joint compound and skimming it with a 12" knife. First, down, then across, then down again... allowing drying time in-between. This technique covers years of roller and brush marks and various imperfection in the wall surface, resulting in a super smooth and fresh uniform surface. (I have sheetrocked many entire rooms and had a lot of previous experience working joint compound. It might be difficult for a first timer to archive acceptable results.)
While allowing this to age (about a week) I watched images projected on this surface. It was actually usable, but lacking somewhat in contrast. After aging it for about a week, on went a coat of Finnaren & Haley T.D.C. Primer Sealer.
I use Finnaren & Haley paints because I like their consistency. I have never been happy with those from Home Depot, feeling they were too thick. To avoid hot-spotting I wanted a very flat smooth surface, and I find the thicker paints do not achieve this as well.
The screen area was masked and then rolled using two coats of a Finnaren & Haley Low Luster Interior Latex base, color matched to the Da-Lite HC sample. The mix was a B8 L12, which relates to the amounts of pigment used.
For the record I'm using this with the JVC G15 at an 18' distance. The screen measures 100" in width, and roughly 48" in height. This may seem like a strange ratio, which it is, but I selected it as a compromise. I run 2.35:1 slightly shadow boxed, and the other ratios pillar boxed.
I have found that when I place the Da-Lite sample in the center of this it virtually disappears - I can't tell the difference.
Shortly after all of this I received the Stewart Grayhawk sample, which is much larger. The Stewart sample has very different properties. Fist of all, it is a lighter shade of gray. The blacks seem washed out compared to the Da-Lite and the paint... what did I say about side-by-side comparisons. The Stewart sample also differs in that it has a special coating which seems to yield brighter whites.
My concussions thus far are this:
Paint will do the same thing as the Da-Lite HC at a fraction of this cost, and is far more flexible.
The brain largely adapts to the black level afforded by the projector/screen combination. Unless I do a side-by-side I would never see the difference.
The room needs to be dark, regardless! Before you even turn on the projector, look at the screen. If it doesn't look black, neither will the image - especially if there are blacker objects in the room which will re-calibrate the brains idea of black.
While I set out with the paint as a cheap way of evaluating gray shades, I've become quite accustomed to it, and as a result, have no near term plans to purchase an expensive screen... maybe someday.
Before going with the paint I had ordered material samples from Da-Lite and Stewart. The Da-Lite samples arrived first. They are small samples mounted on 8.5 x 11 pages. Frankly, way too small to evaluate performance.
Do not ever try to do side by side comparisons of screen material, it won't work. First off, the projector needs to be re-calibrated for each material. Second, the side by side comparison creates bias which messes with the brain. We see the brightest white as white, and the darkest as black. A side by side will invariably make the white on a darker material seem gray, whereas, viewing just the darker material white will look white. It's hard to explain, just take my word for it.
The Da-Lite High Contrast grey material seemed to be just a flat grey with no real special reflective properties.
I took the sample down to the store and matched a paint to it, hoping to be able to get an entire surface of that shade so that I could do a better analysis.
I did a few things. First, I prepped the entire wall by rolling on a watered down Sheetrock joint compound and skimming it with a 12" knife. First, down, then across, then down again... allowing drying time in-between. This technique covers years of roller and brush marks and various imperfection in the wall surface, resulting in a super smooth and fresh uniform surface. (I have sheetrocked many entire rooms and had a lot of previous experience working joint compound. It might be difficult for a first timer to archive acceptable results.)
While allowing this to age (about a week) I watched images projected on this surface. It was actually usable, but lacking somewhat in contrast. After aging it for about a week, on went a coat of Finnaren & Haley T.D.C. Primer Sealer.
I use Finnaren & Haley paints because I like their consistency. I have never been happy with those from Home Depot, feeling they were too thick. To avoid hot-spotting I wanted a very flat smooth surface, and I find the thicker paints do not achieve this as well.
The screen area was masked and then rolled using two coats of a Finnaren & Haley Low Luster Interior Latex base, color matched to the Da-Lite HC sample. The mix was a B8 L12, which relates to the amounts of pigment used.
For the record I'm using this with the JVC G15 at an 18' distance. The screen measures 100" in width, and roughly 48" in height. This may seem like a strange ratio, which it is, but I selected it as a compromise. I run 2.35:1 slightly shadow boxed, and the other ratios pillar boxed.
I have found that when I place the Da-Lite sample in the center of this it virtually disappears - I can't tell the difference.
Shortly after all of this I received the Stewart Grayhawk sample, which is much larger. The Stewart sample has very different properties. Fist of all, it is a lighter shade of gray. The blacks seem washed out compared to the Da-Lite and the paint... what did I say about side-by-side comparisons. The Stewart sample also differs in that it has a special coating which seems to yield brighter whites.
My concussions thus far are this:
Paint will do the same thing as the Da-Lite HC at a fraction of this cost, and is far more flexible.
The brain largely adapts to the black level afforded by the projector/screen combination. Unless I do a side-by-side I would never see the difference.
The room needs to be dark, regardless! Before you even turn on the projector, look at the screen. If it doesn't look black, neither will the image - especially if there are blacker objects in the room which will re-calibrate the brains idea of black.
While I set out with the paint as a cheap way of evaluating gray shades, I've become quite accustomed to it, and as a result, have no near term plans to purchase an expensive screen... maybe someday.
I purchased some Behr "Ultra Pure White" latex flat from Home Depot and had them convert it to Behr "Gray Tropics".
It's a very light gray.
Here's the formula:
Colorant OZ 48 96
B Lamp Black 0 3 1
C Yellor Oxid 0 1 0
L Raw Umber 0 4 0
I added a little more black to make it a little darker.
On the sheetrock it still looks white.
In order to make this paint look gray, I opened a can of Kilz white primer to compare.
It look gray when compared to the Kilz primer.
I'll try to take pictures of something but my cheap digital camera might not act right.
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It's a very light gray.
Here's the formula:
Colorant OZ 48 96
B Lamp Black 0 3 1
C Yellor Oxid 0 1 0
L Raw Umber 0 4 0
I added a little more black to make it a little darker.
On the sheetrock it still looks white.
In order to make this paint look gray, I opened a can of Kilz white primer to compare.
It look gray when compared to the Kilz primer.
I'll try to take pictures of something but my cheap digital camera might not act right.
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My HT
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