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as title, i want to buy a panasonic plasma and my indecision is within 55st50 and 50vt50

the vt series has a big difference in the image (better image) than st series or not? thank you
 

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The main thing is, are you going to have it professionally calibrated? If so, I would go with the VT50. Also, with some room lighting, the VT has a better filter for keeping blacks darker.
 

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nope, regarding the room lighting, no i usually close the window when i see movies or play games

regarding games i heard from someone that st have a minor imput lag
 

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My 2 cents here..


if you don't need the better AR screen filter, you're not in love with the VT50's looks and you won't calibrate get the ST50.


To be honest all of the 2012's are pretty good out of the box with some basic contrast/brightness tweaks for most people. However anyone who has had their eyes trained to a properly calibrated TV will see where it needs some tweaks.


To answer your question...


Yes, calibrated there is a difference between the two.


how much of a difference? will depend on you. A trained eye will see the difference between a calibrated ST50 and a VT50 using familiar source material. As well the AR coating will be noticeable.


If you don't obsess when you see your gamma doesn't look right, or that specific shade of color is under or over saturated and or the wrong hue/luminance I would just get the ST50. Save your $$ for an OLED set in a few years, while these Panasonic sets are pretty nice everyone will have basically forgotten plasma once OLED is out and matured a few years. I can't wait to see a TV with good blacks that also does true 24bit color without all of the dithering/flickering plasmas do.
 

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I have a VT and a close friend has an ST and the picture is very close. They are both calibrated, his from the service menu and mine in the Custom and ISF modes. IMO it's not worth the extra money for the VT
 

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Originally Posted by wmwilker  /t/1420044/panasonic-2012-st-vs-vt-any-difference-in-the-image#post_22214965


I have a VT and a close friend has an ST and the picture is very close. They are both calibrated, his from the service menu and mine in the Custom and ISF modes. IMO it's not worth the extra money for the VT

Can you tell a difference in the filter? When I compared the gt and vt, that was the only difference i could see.
 

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Can you tell a difference in the filter? When I compared the gt and vt, that was the only difference i could see.

The room lighting is completely different. Mine is in a dimly lit room and my friends is in a brighter room with windows at each end of the room. In his room the ST does very well. I would think the VT would do better but that's just a guess.
 

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I started with the st then got the gt and finally the vt. I am one of those that can see everything that is wrong in a picture. Wish i never learned what to look for. The st pq is not on the level of the vt. I think it gets you about 75% of the way there. The ar is a lot better on the vt and mine is in a room with south and west facing windows. The motion on the vt is much better than the st. Shadow detail is better as well. and design is much better. I also wanted 24fps done properly. I am fairly critical and i hate myself for that. I tried to go cheap and couldn't. If i didn't know what to look for i would probably still have the st. But on a happy note the vt only cost me $450 more than the st so im ok with that.
 

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Originally Posted by mtnbiker socal  /t/1420044/panasonic-2012-st-vs-vt-any-difference-in-the-image#post_22221786


I started with the st then got the gt and finally the vt. I am one of those that can see everything that is wrong in a picture. Wish i never learned what to look for. The st pq is not on the level of the vt. I think it gets you about 75% of the way there. The ar is a lot better on the vt and mine is in a room with south and west facing windows. The motion on the vt is much better than the st. Shadow detail is better as well. and design is much better. I also wanted 24fps done properly. I am fairly critical and i hate myself for that. I tried to go cheap and couldn't. If i didn't know what to look for i would probably still have the st. But on a happy note the vt only cost me $450 more than the st so im ok with that.

What size VT do you have?
 

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Originally Posted by mtnbiker socal  /t/1420044/panasonic-2012-st-vs-vt-any-difference-in-the-image#post_22221786


I started with the st then got the gt and finally the vt. I am one of those that can see everything that is wrong in a picture. Wish i never learned what to look for. The st pq is not on the level of the vt. I think it gets you about 75% of the way there. The ar is a lot better on the vt and mine is in a room with south and west facing windows. The motion on the vt is much better than the st. Shadow detail is better as well. and design is much better. I also wanted 24fps done properly. I am fairly critical and i hate myself for that. I tried to go cheap and couldn't. If i didn't know what to look for i would probably still have the st. But on a happy note the vt only cost me $450 more than the st so im ok with that.

That's funny because every issue I saw on the GT was there on the VT too albeit ever so slightly less. In addition, I thought the picture on the VT was a little dimmer, most likely the fault of the filter.


Just wondering... whose settings did you use on your sets or did you calibrate them yourself?
 

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I have a 55" vt. I have only had the tv 2 weeks with only about 40 hours on it so i have not calibrated it yet. I agree may be ever so slightly dimmer but the filter does help. The motion is not as pronounced with the vt as it was on gt. I am real sensitive to motion. In a dark room the vt was more accurate OOTB than the gt IMO. With at the time there being 200 dollar difference between the gt and vt i took back gt for vt.
 

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Originally Posted by mtnbiker socal  /t/1420044/panasonic-2012-st-vs-vt-any-difference-in-the-image#post_22221786


The st pq is not on the level of the vt. I think it gets you about 75% of the way there. The ar is a lot better on the vt and mine is in a room with south and west facing windows.
75% is a stretch, even before calibration. After calibration, the ST50/GT50 is about 97% there, and to most people that 3% wouldn't even be noticeable and would only be noticeable with measurements.
 

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Originally Posted by rahzel  /t/1420044/panasonic-2012-st-vs-vt-any-difference-in-the-image#post_22222035


75% is a stretch, even before calibration. After calibration, the ST50/GT50 is about 97% there, and to most people that 3% wouldn't even be noticeable and would only be noticeable with measurements.

From what I've seen I have to agree with you
 

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75% is a stretch, even before calibration. After calibration, the ST50/GT50 is about 97% there, and to most people that 3% wouldn't even be noticeable and would only be noticeable with measurements.
97% is a stretch. Even the pro reviews won't tell you that. Get what you want i did. I have experience with using all 3 in home. If i thought the st/gt was that close i wouldn't have the vt now.
 

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Originally Posted by mtnbiker socal  /t/1420044/panasonic-2012-st-vs-vt-any-difference-in-the-image#post_22222078


97% is a stretch. Even the pro reviews won't tell you that. Get what you want i did. I have experience with using all 3 in home. If i thought the st/gt was that close i wouldn't have the vt now.
Actually, you have virtually no experience with them, because none of them were calibrated.

They may not say exactly 97%, but I bet they'll agree for the most part.


When calibrating TVs you aim to get DeltaE uv (grayscale) and DeltaE 94 (Color) under 3, which is the error % where they say it's no longer perceivable to the human eye. All 3 TVs achieve this for the most part, but the VT50 with the Color Management System (which is partly broken) and the 10pt white balance vs the 2pt on the ST/GT allows the VT50 to get nearly perfect. However, because the ST/GT are already so good, the VT50 is only a little better and not even noticeable to most people. Just look at the calibration reports of all 3 sets, which can be found at High Def Junkies dot com in Chad B's review section or D-Nice's settings thread / Value Electronics website and look at the DeltaE uv charts as well as the Color charts.


I'm not saying you made the wrong decision, I'm just disagreeing with your 75% claim.
 

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I am also disagreeing with yours. I made a judgement based on my experience. Granted a good calibration will probably cost 3-500 dollars and seeing most pro's say that the vt doesn't gain much if anything after calibration i would be out about the same amount of money. Considering i live in socal and have south and west windows with tons of light coming in. I can switch among thx and thx bright room at a flash as opposed to the st. Not saying its right for you but it is for me.
 

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Originally Posted by mtnbiker socal  /t/1420044/panasonic-2012-st-vs-vt-any-difference-in-the-image#post_22222131


I am also disagreeing with yours. I made a judgement based on my experience. Granted a good calibration will probably cost 3-500 dollars and seeing most pro's say that the vt doesn't gain much if anything after calibration i would be out about the same amount of money. Considering i live in socal and have south and west windows with tons of light coming in. I can switch among thx and thx bright room at a flash as opposed to the st. Not saying its right for you but it is for me.

I see them both on a fairly regular basis as one of my best friends has the ST. It has been calibrated through the service menu. My VT has been calibrated in the ISF modes and Custom mode. I see very little difference in the two sets.

Do you have links to where these pros say that the VT doesn't gain much if anything after calibration? If so I'd like to see them.


BTW: I have NO regrets in getting the VT
 

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I am also disagreeing with yours. I made a judgement based on my experience.
That's fine by me. In my experience as a DIY calibrator, I made a decision based on knowing the technical differences between these sets through calibration reports and reviews, as well as my own personal needs.
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Granted a good calibration will probably cost 3-500 dollars and seeing most pro's say that the vt doesn't gain much if anything after calibration i would be out about the same amount of money.
Whatever 'pro' said this isn't what I would consider to be a pro. I'm willing to bet ANY ISF/THX calibrator on these boards will disagree with that statement.
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Considering i live in socal and have south and west windows with tons of light coming in. I can switch among thx and thx bright room at a flash as opposed to the st. Not saying its right for you but it is for me.
Once again, I never said you made the wrong decision. There are reasons to get the VT50 and I respect your decision and never once argued it.
 

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Here is one im not going to go looking for the others i have read.
http://flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1339052567

I'm not interested in making this an argument but this is a review of an EU model. From what I've read there are a lot of differences in the EU and US models. IMO there is very little difference in a calibrated ST and a calibrated VT and like I said I see the ST on a regular basis.
 
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