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Alrighty its almost decision time. This is for the living room, sound isn't needed at all nor is a tuner, Directv HD DVR, Blu-Ray, xBox 360 all connected through a receiver, yet to be decided most likely a Denon 5308. Tv is going to be wall mounted. We will be sitting about 16' back in the main viewing position and as close as 8' on the leg of the couch.


I like the black levels of the Pioneer but was think I can get 5" extra of tv for around the same money and the picture quality is close. I have a friend who is an isf calibrator and will be calibrating the set so just trying to get an opinion on what everyone else would do.
 

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Alrighty its almost decision time. This is for the living room, sound isn't needed at all nor is a tuner, Directv HD DVR, Blu-Ray, xBox 360 all connected through a receiver, yet to be decided most likely a Denon 5308. Tv is going to be wall mounted. We will be sitting about 16' back in the main viewing position and as close as 8' on the leg of the couch.


I like the black levels of the Pioneer but was think I can get 5" extra of tv for around the same money and the picture quality is close. I have a friend who is an isf calibrator and will be calibrating the set so just trying to get an opinion on what everyone else would do.

Tough one- When I was shopping, the magnolia had those 2 tv's almost side by side. The 151 was clearly a better pq to me. Dont know if it was because of just better blacks, but pq had more of crisper 3d pop to it. But... the 850 was clearly 2nd best out of all the others(to me) and had a beautiful pict with really nice colors.. and the size of the 65in. flat out took your attention.

I chose the 58in 850 because of money saved and I sit 12ft away. At 16ft, I would choose 65 screen. After break-in I really love the pq of the panny and have no regrets at all.

So, your decision even tougher. Size over the best pq. I know you'll be happy with both. I really like the size of the 65in screen.
 

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With calabration being done the Pioneer 151 would be amazing. However the Panasonic 65pz850 is a great set and adds about 18% more screen. Either way you will be happy I am sure.
 

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Here's my take on the advantages of Pioneer over all other PDPs.


1. Pioneer applies the color filtering on the outside glass whereas all other manufacturers add an extra layer of glass which adds a visible reflection between the two sandwiched glass panels.


2. Pioneer color filters are superior to all other panels, yielding better color accuracy and more saturated colors.


3. Pioneer video processing is more advanced than other panels yielding better SD up-conversion.


4. Pioneer Elite panels feature the ISF Day/Night calibrated modes delivering far better calibrated advantages.


5. Pioneer's Elite "PURE" mode improves pq when paired with BD


6. Pioneer audio quality is far better than any other PDP.


7. Pioneer overall build quality is superior to other TVs.


8. The choice of selecting a TV or Signature Series panel gives the buyer the opportunity to select the best solution for their particular application and system build.


9. Sorry I left out one of the most important benefits of Pioneer panels over all other panels, Pioneer panels are have a native frame rate of 72Hz, which is much friendlier to BD's native frame rate of the original film of 24fps. All other panels are native to 60Hz and need to do a 3:2 pulldown to convert the frame rate.


Overall the increased black level gives the picture a more 3-D look as the contrast ratio is increased giving the panel the ability to have more detail, greater gradation and more depth.


To many these differences may not be worth the premium price.


-Robert
 

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Have not had the chance to calibrate a Panasonic 850 but did calibrate an Panasonic 800, Pioneer 141 and 151. Both Pioneers calibrate better than the Panasonic and the Pioneer black level is still un touched. If you decide on the pioneer definatly utilize the ISF modes.


This black level adds a significant depth to the picture especially if you are a movie viewing fan.
 
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