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Just want people's opinion on 2012's GT50 vs 2013's ST60..

If both TV's could be purchased for around the same price, which one would you go for?

Are there any of you who have (had) both sets?

Anyone who has returned the GT50 for the ST60?

Looks like the picture quality on both sets are REALLY similar.

As far as I can see, there are benefits to both/either set.


GT50 "pros"-

Dual core processor

THX mode(s)

Slimmer bezel

Better 3d performance

Lower input lag for gaming

4 HDMI inputs

1 year of proven reliability


ST60 "pros"-

2 pairs of 3D glasses free

Better looking stand

Newer viera interface

Touch pen compatible

Advanced picture settings

Better overall picture quality (?)

"Newest" tech


CNET did give the ST60 a 5 star review, but weighted heavily on "value"...

From what I see, I'm almost thinking that if a person could get a good price on a GT50, that might be the best way to go.

Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 

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Well you aren't going to go "wrong" if you get the GT50. Its a great TV and you can get some phenomenal deals on them now... While they last. I just bought an ST60 for my Florida home and its sitting in my garage until I get there in two weeks to set up, so I don't know if I can comment if the "Better Looking Stand" statement is true or not. Personally, I like the stand on my GT50 in my Long Island home. My guess is that you'd be hard pressed to see a huge difference in picture quality. Both are excellent if I'm not mistaken.
 

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I would remove THX modes and the fact that the GT50 has been on the market for longer as meaningful pluses. The THX modes don't really add much (if anything) over the ST60... they did over the ST50 because it gave you another picture mode to calibrate if you wanted day and night settings. Other than that, it isn't much (if any) more accurate than Cinema or Home Theater mode. And the fact that the GT50 has been out for over a year isn't really meaningful either. If anything, the ST60 might even be more refined because it's somewhat of a refreshed version of the 2012 models (same base panels).


I would go with the ST60 unless input lag, the lower number of HDMI ports and single-core processor concern you, OR if the GT50 is considerably cheaper (edit: which is not the case).
 

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Originally Posted by AdamHD  /t/1468719/panasonic-gt50-vs-st60#post_23215222


Just want people's opinion on 2012's GT50 vs 2013's ST60..

If both TV's could be purchased for around the same price, which one would you go for?

Are there any of you who have (had) both sets?

Anyone who has returned the GT50 for the ST60?

Looks like the picture quality on both sets are REALLY similar.

As far as I can see, there are benefits to both/either set.


GT50 "pros"-

Dual core processor

THX mode(s)

Slimmer bezel

Better 3d performance

Lower input lag for gaming

4 HDMI inputs

1 year of proven reliability


ST60 "pros"-

2 pairs of 3D glasses free

Better looking stand

Newer viera interface

Touch pen compatible

Advanced picture settings

Better overall picture quality (?)

"Newest" tech


CNET did give the ST60 a 5 star review, but weighted heavily on "value"...

From what I see, I'm almost thinking that if a person could get a good price on a GT50, that might be the best way to go.

Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

There have already been a lot of comparisons between the ST60 and GT50/ST50, and from a picture quality standpoint it's already pretty clear that the ST60 outperforms the GT50/ST50 in every category. The biggie for me is seeing so many reports that the ST60 is sharper/crisper than the 2012 models which was a big complaint among UT50/ST50/GT50/VT50 owners, and this softness is the only real complaint i have about my GT50. It bothers me every day. This alone is making my consider getting a 50ST60 and moving my 50GT50 to another room.


The THX modes aren't a big deal since virtually all GT50 owners who posted their settings and the calibrators who calibrated the GT50 used Custom mode instead of the THX modes. I used THX a lot for the first month or two but eventually went with Custom mode and a hybrid of settings others posted and it looks better than anything i've come up with using the THX modes.


The ST60's bezel is almost exactly the same size as the GT50 bezel so that should be a non-issue (both by the specs and my own visual comparison at BB/Magnolia). The 50" ST60 is exactly the same width as my 50" GT50 according to the manual, and only 1/4" shorter (which is all at the bottom of the TV).


As for reliability, Panasonics have been very reliable every year so there's no indication that this year would be any different.


The only thing i don't like about the ST60 is the lack of that 4th HDMI input - it's a problem for me and i don't want to use an HDMI splitter (i have a few of em and i really prefer to route my four sources directly to the TV so each one can have it's own specific picture settings which cannot be done with a splitter). I don't want to have two of those sources share one input because one or the other would have less than optimal settings, but if it meant having superior picture quality on my two primary sources 90% of the time i'd probably choose the ST60 over the GT50.


And then there's price - my local BB/MHT has some leftover 50" GT50's and it is priced $100 higher than the 50" ST60 (when i was there 2 days ago). I love my GT50, but if it were to fail under warranty and Panasonic offered to replace it with a GT50 or ST60, i'd probably choose the ST60.
 

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Thanks to everyone for their input! I've been eying the ST60 since its announcement. I'm really interested in the 65", but have not pulled the trigger yet. I've been comparing models non stop (2012 models and 2013 models)... I've even considered a 2011 VT30. haha. I do realize there is no such thing as the perfect TV. Seems like the general consensus is to go with the ST60. My only reservation is price. The 65" is priced pretty high. If I was looking for a 60", I definitely would have already gotten the 60" ST60, just based on value alone. When you jump up to the 65" though, things get pretty interesting when comparing prices and models... Especially when they are within a few hundred bucks from each other, and have similar picture quality, but different features. I appreciate all the feedback from everyone.
It's helping me narrow down my decision.
 

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The ST60 seems to have bad input lag from reports and if you're a gamer then I'd keep that in mind. If you're not a gamer and will only use the tv for watching television or watching movies then the ST60 would be a good choice but if you're a gamer beware.
 

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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86  /t/1468719/panasonic-gt50-vs-st60#post_23216694


The ST60 seems to have bad input lag from reports and if you're a gamer then I'd keep that in mind. If you're not a gamer and will only use the tv for watching television or watching movies then the ST60 would be a good choice but if you're a gamer beware.
Well, I am a pretty hard core gamer... But, I am a PC gamer. I have a high end gaming rig and play on a 23" dell ultra-sharp IPS monitor (hardly ever on my current plasma). I do plan on buying a PS4 or next gen X-Box when they come out later this year. Therefore, the lag is somewhat of a concern to me. I also am somewhat concerned with the 3D performance on the ST60. I do own about 20 3D blu-rays, and am looking forward to (re)watching them on my newer, BIGGER TV (I currently have a 50"). I am still a couple weeks out from making my purchase though. Any other opinions and input are appreciated.
 

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You listed bezel size as a difference. I've seen both up close, and they're fairly similar. The ST50s did have a larger bezel, but the ST60s adopted the smaller bezels from last year's higher end models.


Is there a measurable difference? I'm curious.
 

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Everything I can find on the ST60 states the bezel is over 1 inch thick (still very thin for a plasma, I know). I believe the GT50s is closer to 3/4 of an inch. I could be wrong, and would love to hear if anyone can confirm/deny with actual measurements.
 

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That may be the case. In person, though, you'd be hard pressed to notice any significant difference. From the front, they look nearly the same.


At the same price, unless you're a professional and want the extra calibration features or input lag is a huge issue for you, go for the ST60. If you're willing to wait for the ST60 to ship, I expect you'll see the price come down a bit, lower than most retailers will sell the GT50.
 

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I do agree that there is not a significant difference at all, but I do give the edge to the GT50 as far as aesthetics are concerned. There is just something about the ST60s black plastic and chrome(plastic) that looks a little "cheap" to me, and higher quality on that of the GT50... I don't really know how to explain it.

As far as waiting, I definitely will not be buying for at least 3 more weeks. In 3-4 weeks, I expect a lot to happen. Stores should finally get ALL 2013 Panasonic models and sizes (well... all, but the ZT60) in stock. Early adopter phase should be just about over, and prices should see some good discounts off MSRP. Not to mention, pretty much all the 2013 model reviews should hit, as well as there will be a new "winner" in the HDTV shootout.

I also expect stores to blow out their final stock of 2012 models.... So, I'm just trying to weigh my options, as well as give other people (who are in the same position as me) some helpful opinions and insight on what to purchase
 

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I understand. However, I think the bottom line is that unless you can get a retailer to drop significantly below the price of the ST60 (which seems unlikely since the ST60 itself is already being marked down from MSRP at some retailers), the ST60 is just a better display for a lower price. Unless there happens to be a GT50 feature you must have, that is.


That said, it shouldn't hurt to wait - presumably more competitive prices on the ST60 and if you're lucky, a retailer who still has a new GT50 and will move on the price. Most are actually marking it up, not down, at this point.
 

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^^^ I agree with you 100%

Only way I would bite on the GT50, is if I got a killer deal. That is not looking likely, unless I took the risk on a floor model... or if retailers pulled their heads out and started discounting these to get rid of them. Cost on the 2012 TVs must have been WAY more than the 2013 models (judging by their pricing). I'm actually really bummed that they don't have a "GT" model this year (in the US). I totally understand why they don't, though. I think that would have been the model that would fit my needs the most.


So, I'm honestly back to where I started with all of this, and I think I'm going to go for the VT60. Probably the 65". I figure if I'm gonna spend $2200+ on a TV, I might as well get the best TV I can get. Gonna have it for a few years, after all. The 65" VT60 is only 35% more than the 65" ST60. At least at the price ($3000 "or less") I was quoted from my local dealer.
 

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Originally Posted by jlb32  /t/1468719/panasonic-gt50-vs-st60#post_23219592


Personally I think the GT50 looks way better and the THX mode is well worth it. Especially if you aren't the type that wants to spend extra money to have your tv calibrated.

In what ways do you think the GT50 looks way better than the ST60?? I don't recall seeing anyone else post this about the ST60.
 

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Originally Posted by AdamHD  /t/1468719/panasonic-gt50-vs-st60/0_100#post_23216334


Seems like the general consensus is to go with the ST60. My only reservation is price. The 65" is priced pretty high. If I was looking for a 60", I definitely would have already gotten the 60" ST60, just based on value alone. When you jump up to the 65" though, things get pretty interesting when comparing prices and models.

If you can control the light in the room I would consider the 65S60. It's going for around $1400, or the 65S64 which is the Costco/Sams model and has a filter.
 

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If you can control the light in the room I would consider the 65S60. It's going for around $1400, or the 65S64 which is the Costco/Sams model and has a filter.

I agree the S60 and S64 look like a great TVs (for a great price), but do not fit my personal needs.
 

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In what ways do you think the GT50 looks way better than the ST60?? I don't recall seeing anyone else post this about the ST60.

Aesthetics wise not picture wise. Picture quality IMO is pretty similar minus the THX mode. I personally think the THX mode is a advantage with the GT50. I know some don't feel the same but I love the THX mode on the Panasonics.
 

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I went through an identical thought process as you adamhd. I want a 65", but yeah, the price jumps up significantly from 60" to 65".


So I went to best buy and saw the vt60 (step down from st60) right next the gt50, and honestly they both looked close. When me and the best buy employee were looking at fast motion scenes from sky fall, we could barely tell the difference. Only when we we paused it or looked at still images, it became very noticeable.


So if money is not an issue, go with the st60. I went with a warehouse deal on amazon on a 65" gt50 for under $1800.


I'm a gamer as well, so I took input lag as a higher priority over the sharp/crispness of the 2013 plasma models.
 
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