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Panasonic Smart Calibration modes & no ISF mode for Asia?

3815 Views 16 Replies 8 Participants Last post by fahrenheit, Mar 1, 2014

watboy

Discussion Starter · Feb 26, 2014

Long time lurker, first time poster (i started reading this forum for my Toshiba 40H80 rear projector!)

After weeks of reading, I have decided to take the plunge and attempt DIY calibration for my new Panasonic 65" VT60. I bought a new i1Display Pro and an i1Pro for my meters. For the software, I picked up Calman 5 enthusiast, which I run on my Macbook Pro and VM Ware Fusion / Windows 8.1.

I was expecting to be able to use AutoCal, however it seems like the Asian Panasonics do not have the "i085" pin code enabled to enter into the ISF mode required for direct display control. CalMan needs to revise their Autocal for VT60 setup guide, as it lists Asian panels as compatible. With that, it seems like I can only do 2 point calibration using the remote. But the iPad app has "smart calibration" that has the 10point grayscale calibration and that color triangle thingy. However, it seems like making changes to this, only applies to the "Custom" mode. I have not been able to find any good documentation on this app, but is there a way to do separate settings for Professional1 and Professional2 modes using the Smart Calibration?

Apologies if the answer is obvious. It took me 20 hours just to setup VM Ware, CalMan, get my meters recognised by the software and take my first reading.

It seems like my older Panasonic PY800 has similar issues with regard to disabled calibration modes. Not sure what I will do with that one, maybe get a DVDO.

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DrFaxe

· #2 · Feb 26, 2014

Hi,

with the Panasonic Viera app You can only calibrate (adjust) the custom mode. With Calman You can only calibrate the ISF modes, so called Professional 1, Professional 2.

Did You unlock the ISF modes in the setup of Your TV respectively do You see both in the picture modes?

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watboy

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 26, 2014

I did turn on the "Professional Mode" in the setting. So I can now see Professional1 and Professional2 modes. However, the next step, going into Picture Lock/Settings and putting in "i085", it says "incorrect pin". I understand that without this, I cannot enable the direct display control for Autocal and a few other settings as well.

Going into the adjustments I can see, i've only found Hi and Low adjustments. I assume this means just a 2 point adjustment? Maybe I need to dig deeper. The iPad app seems to be a much easier way of adjustments. But I was planning to make (or at least attempt) a day and night profile.

chunon

· #4 · Feb 26, 2014

Could be the pin is just different for the Asian models ? Have you call Panasonic support ?

watboy

Discussion Starter · #5 · Feb 26, 2014

I put in a call to Panasonic Thailand support. They had absolutely no idea what I was talking about. They kept thinking I was having a warranty problem, and finally said that any change in settings can only be done by an authorised technician. I did find some posts on an Aussie forum, appears this has been an issue going back to at least the VT20 panels. Some posters stated that such a mode still exists, but the code is reserved for authorised technicians. My google-fu has yet to uncover this secret, should it exist. I'll try some other channels into Panasonic Thailand for an answer.

prsut

· #6 · Feb 26, 2014

Did you ever change pin from default "0000" ? I think, you need to enter old pin first, then i085...If you used i196 pin (to rename pro1/pro2 to isf day/isf night ) change it to "0000" first...

Did you ask Spectracal ? with your licence you have support, so ask their.

How is your TV connected to net ? Asian models can use wifi-only for isfccc calibration, not over ethernet...

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ConnecTEDDD

· #7 · Feb 26, 2014

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Originally Posted by watboy /t/1519909/panasonic-smart-calibration-modes-no-isf-mode-for-asia#post_24410532

I put in a call to Panasonic Thailand support. They had absolutely no idea what I was talking about. They kept thinking I was having a warranty problem, and finally said that any change in settings can only be done by an authorised technician. I did find some posts on an Aussie forum, appears this has been an issue going back to at least the VT20 panels. Some posters stated that such a mode still exists, but the code is reserved for authorised technicians. My google-fu has yet to uncover this secret, should it exist. I'll try some other channels into Panasonic Thailand for an answer.

Hello, whats your exact model number for your VT60?

Have you checked if you can use ControlCAL?

DrFaxe

· #8 · Feb 26, 2014

You can also try to load factory settings. This should restore the key to default values, if it has changed for some reasons.

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watboy

Discussion Starter · #9 · Feb 26, 2014

Thanks for the quick replies. To answer them Model number is TH-P65VT60T

I tried resetting PIN to 0000, but didn't work. I then reset the TV to shipping condition, then tried to enter i085, and that didn't work either.

I haven't checked if control cal is compatible. But I speculate it would have the same issue. Without being able to turn on ISFccc mode, I cannot get to the isfccc Network setting to enable display control via wifi. Maybe autocal is a no go for me (and i bought the enthusiast package just for this).

On the bright side, I did manage to find the 10 point greyscale setting. I had to change TV mode to one of the Professional modes in order to gain access to it. So it seems that I can set the modes individually. But it would be awesome if I could make the adjustments via the iPad app instead of having to go into the TV settings.

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chunon

· #10 · Feb 26, 2014

Looks like you might be out of luck with autocal, found this thread in the Spectracal forums:

http://www.spectracal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5040&p=33147&hilit=asian+model+panasonic#p33147

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watboy

Discussion Starter · #11 · Feb 26, 2014

I've pretty much given up on Autocal. But SpectralCal should fix their documentation showing that the V/D/T 60's in Asia work.

http://www.spectracal.com/Documents/QSG/Panasonic%2060_65_600%20Series%20QuickStart.pdf

chunon

· #12 · Feb 26, 2014

Yeah I can see that, but on the plus side although autocal is cool you can get a better end result by doing it all manually, plus you get to learn how all the controls interact which can come in handy as you are learning what works best on your set. If you have enthusiast version check out Chad Bs custom workflow it is very good and I think it has helped my calibration end results.

CalWldLif

· #13 · Feb 26, 2014

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Originally Posted by chunon /t/1519909/panasonic-smart-calibration-modes-no-isf-mode-for-asia#post_24412555

Yeah I can see that, but on the plus side although autocal is cool you can get a better end result by doing it all manually, plus you get to learn how all the controls interact which can come in handy as you are learning what works best on your set. If you have enthusiast version check out Chad Bs custom workflow it is very good and I think it has helped my calibration end results.

I had my own trouble with autocal being sold to me then got no support.

was told it is broken, so what.

I did get help from ChadB, I learned a lot watching autocal and changing the starting points

of the auto feature.

meaning, ran with all controls zeroed, then with some controls a few clicks one way or the other.

it basically sped up the cal process having the program run the checks and then change settings on the fly

that I would have to do manually then restart the reading with out autocal.

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chunon

· #14 · Feb 26, 2014

I havent had a ton of experience with autocal, tried some calibrations with my VT50 but ultimately Chad made it truly remarkable, my ST60 didnt support that feature so I had to learn things the hard way. I did try it on my VT60 this past weekend but it wasnt altering white balance at all, apparently the set has to be connected wirelessly for full functionalilty ? Missed that caveat I suppose.

My challenge is pattern automation don't have a generator and cant seem to get the correct luminance out of the Calman internal patterns so stuck with manual bluray patterns which I find quite tedious.

<^..^>Smokey Joe

· #15 · Feb 26, 2014

I am Oceanic area and you have the same firmware, or similar and can confirm our models do not have autocal and no control cal either because you need the same internal code for both solutions.

This means you don't have the same access to the THX mode through control cal.

The pro panels such as the VX line do have control but only with the pro level software.

So all manual, but don't worry as you end up with the same result, just takes longer.

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watboy

Discussion Starter · #16 · Feb 28, 2014

I just had a thought... I can use the iPad Smart Calibration app to calibrate the custom mode, then use Copy Adjustments and apply it to Professional1/2? I'll try it when I get home.

fahrenheit

· #17 · Mar 1, 2014

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Originally Posted by watboy /t/1519909/panasonic-smart-calibration-modes-no-isf-mode-for-asia#post_24419531

I just had a thought... I can use the iPad Smart Calibration app to calibrate the custom mode, then use Copy Adjustments and apply it to Professional1/2? I'll try it when I get home.

Sadly, I find the menu to be faster and more precise, even with the frustration of having to go in and out all the time. If the Smart Calibration could be done with keyboard and mouse, then it might be more useful.

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