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Go over to the LCD thread and see the responses of the pictures. I have no idea what they are looking at if they think the Sammy is better. We all rationalize, but wow.

The Samsung is quite close picture wise I thought.


What the pictures don't show is motion performance, back-light bleed/eveness, display-pop (in daylight viewing) to name a few.


The super thin Samsung is damn sexy from a work-of-art perspective.

The Panasonic (for the cost) is a gem.


I'm keen to see both myself eventually.


Big thanks to Cleveland for keeping us informed.


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Here in europe unfortunately there will be no THX Feature in the G Series and possibly any other Pana models. Does anybody know if the european G models have greyscale and the other calibration options needed to get those TV´s close to rec.709 ? Deep blacks are nice but having master Yoda like skintones... i don´t know..

The G series have gamma and grayscale calibration in the menu (advanced settings).
 

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The G series have gamma and grayscale calibration in the menu (advanced settings).

Ah, thats nice, if i buy a TV than G10 is the way to go for me, can´t decide yet what to get, a beamer ( Sony HW10 ) or the Panny G10. Both are / will be in the same price range...
 

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Why are all the "How does it compare to the 5020?" questions being ignored? Someone man up and answer the question. Someone with both sets to compare real time not a zombie kurophile.


As it stands, my gut tells me the 5020 has not been passed by but that is still quite unclear to assume. Also, what do you make of this S shaped curve? What are the negatives of this?
 

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Would it be possible to get some impressions on other panel aspects other than IQ? Does the set make any noise (fans, etc.)? Is there panel buzz? How does the set handle sports and other fast motion? Is there a noticable difference in motion between last years sets?
 

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Why are all the "How does it compare to the 5020?" questions being ignored? Someone man up and answer the question. Someone with both sets to compare real time not a zombie kurophile.


As it stands, my gut tells me the 5020 has not been passed by but that is still quite unclear to assume. Also, what do you make of this S shaped curve? What are the negatives of this?

+1!


My impressions are the Panny does not have the blacks of the 5020 but am curious how the motion compares. If I had to guess I would say at this point the Kuro still the king by a margin.
 

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Kind of a silly question, but here goes.


Doe's that silver strip along the bottom bulge out a little? It appears to in the pictures.


I'm asking because my next set will have to go behind some wood trim on the sides, therefore the side bezels must be completely flat.


For WAF, I've either got to mount behind this trim, or I have to go with an ultra-thin design if I want to hang it on the front side. This is a cabinet that was built for a rear-projection set that I now have to adapt to a flat panel.


Thanks
 

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Chris, thank you very much. Great job.


Could you make photos with Sweeney Todd or Sin City films ????


With these films, we could see the real PQ (blacks and shadow detail) of the TV.


Thank you.
 

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The G series have gamma and grayscale calibration in the menu (advanced settings).

You are talking about the Euro models right? The US G10 does not have these controls outside of the SM, correct?
 

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Would it be possible to get some impressions on other panel aspects other than IQ? Does the set make any noise (fans, etc.)? Is there panel buzz? How does the set handle sports and other fast motion? Is there a noticable difference in motion between last years sets?

And it would be nice to show how the two panels compare with some off axis shots. All the pictures so far have been straight on. I want to see how the Sammy looks off axis before declaring it to be as good as the Panny.
 

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I believe I can wait till May for the 54". In my case, I need to hear that the G-10 is altitude friendly. I'm at 6800 ft. and don't need my set to make me think there's a fly in my head.

As of about three years ago, Panasonic rates their plasma TVs for up to 9,200 feet so you'll be fine.
 

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Why are all the "How does it compare to the 5020?" questions being ignored? Someone man up and answer the question. Someone with both sets to compare real time not a zombie kurophile.


As it stands, my gut tells me the 5020 has not been passed by but that is still quite unclear to assume. Also, what do you make of this S shaped curve? What are the negatives of this?

Chris said chad mentioned this was on par with last years Kuro for blacks. As I've never really looked at them, i'm not sure what last years model numbers were
 

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I'm heading over to Chris's Sunday to check out this puppy. I'll be taking my Camera along so I can get pics to show to my wife. IIRC It's a 5 megapix camera so I'm going to be taking shots at the max settings on it.


Hopefully by the following weekend I'll be the proud new owner of ones of these. Anyone want to loan me a blueray so I can get some HD pics to post, I'm still stuck in SD lol....
 

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This is what I have pulled out of everything so far.

Color: D-nice mentioned that post cal, the color accuracy rivals the NE's. So it looks like a toos up here.

Brightness: Have measured to be a bit brighter than the current NE's.


Blacks:
Behind current NE's but on par with last years NE's which is pretty damn good.

Motion: Resolves all 1080 lines in motion surpassing the 111fd but this really is splitting hairs

De-interlacing: Does not sound to good and I find this a bit troubleing


It is still early but this is shapeing up to be one of those "There is no clear cut winner. It depends on perference" dealyos.


For me the cost is about identical between the 5020 and the G and I have not seen enough to convince me to jumo ship from the 5020 just yet. At the newer price point of$2.5k on the 5020 now, I would grab the G in 2 seconds.
 

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Kind of a silly question, but here goes.


Doe's that silver strip along the bottom bulge out a little? It appears to in the pictures.


I'm asking because my next set will have to go behind some wood trim on the sides, therefore the side bezels must be completely flat.


For WAF, I've either got to mount behind this trim, or I have to go with an ultra-thin design if I want to hang it on the front side. This is a cabinet that was built for a rear-projection set that I now have to adapt to a flat panel.


Thanks

Trim can easily be modified - check Yellow Pages for Cabinet Shop
 

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This is what I have pulled out of everything so far.

Color: D-nice mentioned that post cal, the color accuracy surpasses the NE's.

If you are talking about the X1 he said rivals which would mean close to almost there but not better. Anyways the calibrated grayscale that he posted honestly did not look that impressive compared to the nice flat measurments from a 9g. The S1 has a red push which IMO would make it a loser in that area too. G10 seems like the one to wait for.
 

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How about 24p?


I was under the impression the G10 could NOT do 24p without 3:2 pull down?


According to the manual it has the same menu options and specs listed for 24p as the 850u.


Page 60 in the G10 manual ( http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP42G10.PDF )

Page 57 in the 850 manual ( http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPER...TH46PZ850U.PDF )


1,125 (1,080) /24p 26.97 23.98 *

1,125 (1,080) /24p 27.00 24.00 *


Also says in both manuals:




So it DOES do it without 3:2 @ 48Hz?

Would love an answer to this one as well.
 

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If you are talking about the X1 he said rivals which would mean close to almost there but not better. Anyways the calibrated grayscale that he posted honestly did not look that impressive compared to the nice flat measurments from a 9g. The S1 has a red push which IMO would make it a loser in that area too. G10 seems like the one to wait for.

The difference in PQ pre and post calibrating is significant in my eyes. The green in the grayscale has been dramatically reduced and can only been seen on 10% stimuli test patterns. Colors are much more life like and rival the non-Elites post calibration.


Rival: One that equals or almost equals another in a particular respect


You are correct but left out the "equals" possibility. And I think we need to differentiate between Elite 9gs and Non-Elite 9gs. I think most people are interested in comparing the Non Elites with the G. I know I referenced the X but I would think it safe to assume the S and G's will at least match the color of the X's.


But I did correct my statement regarding color. You were right in that I was misinterpreted the word. Thank you
 

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This is what I have pulled out of everything so far.

Color: D-nice mentioned that post cal, the color accuracy surpasses the NE's.

Brightness: Have measured to be a bit brighter than the current NE's.


Blacks:
Behind current NE's but on par with last years NE's which is pretty damn good.

Motion: Resolves all 1080 lines in motion surpassing the 111fd but this really is splitting hairs

De-interlacing: Does not sound to good and I find this a bit troubleing


It is still early but this is shapeing up to be one of those "There is no clear cut winner. It depends on perference" dealyos.


For me the cost is about identical between the 5020 and the G and I have not seen enough to convince me to jumo ship from the 5020 just yet. At the newer price point of$2.5k on the 5020 now, I would grab the G in 2 seconds.

You are conflating a lot of information about different models and reports into one conclusion. D-Nice has not evaluated a Neo-PDP panel yet. His observations and results are for the X1 model, which is not a Neo-PDP panel. On the other hand, Chris has reported that the G10 unit is way brighter, and has far greater dark levels that last year. As for C-Net, they did not even do a a proper calibration on the S1 unit, and engaged in a lot of eyeball speculations. That evaluation was no better than what the average owner can do, without ever entering the SM.


Slow down and keep some perspective. I do not want to see you rush into another hasty purchase.
 
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