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Panasonic TH-46PZ85U Broken and Denied Warranty

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I have a Panasonic plasma that is 11 months old. While watching it a week ago there was a loud popping sound and the TV shut down. Upon further inspection there were cracks running through the plasma screen itself (under the protective glass layer).


The TV is still under warranty and I attempted a claim with Panasonic but it was denied because the TV was not covered for "physical damage." This decision was made solely from pictures that I sent them.


The TV has never been moved, and has been sitting in the same spot since I took it out of the packaging 11 months ago (on the supplied stand as well). I live alone and there has in no way been any "physical damage" sustained to the TV. I don't even touch it to turn it on. Also I'm in the Army and it has only really been used for around 5 months.


The only thing that I can think of is that it cracked from residual stresses from repeated heating/cooling cycles. Is there ANY other reason how this could have happened? I'm going to need some other explanations for Panasonic when I call them back.


Thanks,

Jon


EDIT* After talking with Panasonic they have had screens crack without physical damage before but apparently in a "different location" than on mine. *EDIT



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This has happened to other Plasma TVs before. It is very rare for a Panasonic, but a little less rare in other brands. It seems that sometimes when an internal component or power supply blows, the force of that sudden failure (the POP you heard) cracks the glass panel from the other side. You should find out what components are located directly behind the areas that cracked. Can you tell where the crack started and ended?


Here's a thread about it, and i posted some other links to more threads. You should gather as much information about this problem as possible, then write to someone higher up at Panasonic and cite all these references to other instances of glass cracking on it's own. You might also want to directly contact some of the local service centers that perform warranty repairs for Panasonic and ask them to come evaluate your set firsthand - it should be pretty clear that the "point of imact" is BEHIND the protective outer glass and that there's no way you could have damaged it yourself. He could then get Panasonic to cover the repair.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=808531


And one of the CNet threads.
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-4_102-0....hreadID=340997


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Did you buy the TV with a good credit card that adds one year to the manufacturer's warranty? If so, maybe the repair shop can declare the crack is from an internal failure and get the credit card provider to cover the cost of repair (probably cheaper to get a whole new TV though).


And if the card offers damage protection for the first year then you might want to file a claim before your one year is up.
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Panasonic has told me that if a certified repair shop certifies that the TV was broken from something other than physical damage that they will replace the TV under warranty and repay me for the repair shop bill.


Thanks for the reply I wasn't able to find much info on this but power supply blowing or caps etc would make a lot of sense. I hope they can verify this cause if not I'm definitely going to be TV-less for a little while.


I posted a picture in the first thread, you can definitely tell where the impact occurred. I suppose this point much be different then where other TV's have broken from similar incidents (that or they just don't want to cover it).
Read this whole thread complete >


The key is asking questions like: Are you a glass engineer? Are you an engineer at all? How do you know from the heating and cooling a few thousand times that glass can not just crack on its own? Then state you want them to come check your panel for any signs of abuse. You are in a hard situation and it will take time and you will have to "sell" them on the idea that you did not damage the unit and it cracked on its own.


--Realize how many people actually damage their sets and look for a handout, that is why this is so hard to get covered.
Yeah so the TV is out at a Panasonic certified repair shop being looked at, and I guess they are trying to make the case with Panasonic that the TV was not physically damaged. So all I can do for now is wait I guess and see what they have to say back.


I do realize that they have a lot of people claim that it wasn't physically damage when it in fact was, but that is no reason to "assume" all damages that could possibly be physical damage should be classified as such.


I will be sure to ask those questions the next time I talk with Panasonic. As a mechanical engineer myself I should be able to make that case.
Thanks for the info guys, the Auth dealer/repair shop that I had pick up my TV was able to argue that the cracks were not caused by physical damage. Panasonic is paying for a new panel and refunded the Service Call cost that I incurred in order to get the TV looked at.


So thumbs up to Panasonics final outcome although I would not recommend anyone sending pictures of any damage, instead just let the field tech come out and look at the TV. Had I not sent pictures they would have sent the field tech to me for free that I ended up paying myself to get the process started.
Wow scary considering I just bought a Plasma. I hope mine doesn't crack like this. I did purchase a complete extended warranty from the dealer which covers all aspects of the TV, physical included, and at the end of the warranty, if I didn't use it, I get a gift card of the total value of the warranty to spend at this dealer. Pretty cool incentive if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by msvara /forum/post/18196741


Wow scary considering I just bought a Plasma. I hope mine doesn't crack like this. I did purchase a complete extended warranty from the dealer which covers all aspects of the TV, physical included, and at the end of the warranty, if I didn't use it, I get a gift card of the total value of the warranty to spend at this dealer. Pretty cool incentive if you ask me.

What dealer did you buy the TV from? And do you have a link to the terms of the warranty? Was it Best Buy?


I ask because others were told that a certain warranty covered physical damage and that they'd get a credit for the amount of the warranty if they didn't make any claims before it expired, but the salesman lied in order to make the sale.
Hey Randy,

Do you mind finding those threads that had the BB employees selling plans unethically like that? I'd like to know, I've been partnering with some corporate employees and we want to find out and put a stop to it. This is more of us needing to educate our employees, not us terminating them or anything like that.
Salespeople lie sometimes, unfortunately. It is great to train them to have the right info. and to tell the truth. However, it won't stop the lying completely, of course.


So, as a consumer, one has to actually read and understand the ext. warranty; and if that means taking it home, and then coming back to purchase the TV and ext. warranty on another day, so be it.

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Thanks for the info guys, the Auth dealer/repair shop that I had pick up my TV was able to argue that the cracks were not caused by physical damage. Panasonic is paying for a new panel and refunded the Service Call cost that I incurred in order to get the TV looked at.

--Awsome.....

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Originally Posted by RandyWalters /forum/post/18198299


What dealer did you buy the TV from? And do you have a link to the terms of the warranty? Was it Best Buy?


I ask because others were told that a certain warranty covered physical damage and that they'd get a credit for the amount of the warranty if they didn't make any claims before it expired, but the salesman lied in order to make the sale.


It's a Canadian Department store. Click Here


Here's the details of the warranty I purchased. Click Here


I know what you're gonna say, but let me reassure you that is just legal mumbo jumbo. I purchased an LCD TV from them with the same warranty about 5 years ago. It was a early generation Sammy and I read that replacing the control board where the HDMI port was would increase the picture quality and contrast ratio. So I broke the HDMI jack on purpose by bending it up and down until it snapped. Called the 800 number on the warranty and in a few weeks had a new board installed. No questions asked.
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It's a Canadian Department store. Click Here


Here's the details of the warranty I purchased. Click Here


I know what you're gonna say, but let me reassure you that is just legal mumbo jumbo. I purchased an LCD TV from them with the same warranty about 5 years ago. It was a early generation Sammy and I read that replacing the control board where the HDMI port was would increase the picture quality and contrast ratio. So I broke the HDMI jack on purpose by bending it up and down until it snapped. Called the 800 number on the warranty and in a few weeks had a new board installed. No questions asked.

First of all Leon's, in my experience, has the worse customer service of any store in Canada. The story I could tell you.


Secondly, it's no wonder that TV manufacturer's are reluctant to cave in to customer complaints and cause them to question consumer issues and motivations after reading this example of fraud.


On the other hand, you picked a good store to rip off.
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Originally Posted by HawaiianBoy2593 /forum/post/18198474


Hey Randy,

Do you mind finding those threads that had the BB employees selling plans unethically like that? I'd like to know, I've been partnering with some corporate employees and we want to find out and put a stop to it. This is more of us needing to educate our employees, not us terminating them or anything like that.

Well maybe if Best Buy wouldn't put so much goddamn emphasis on selling those extended warranties, then the employees wouldn't have to lie in order to sell them.


Admit it, salesmen are judged on how many warranties they sell. They don't make commission off of them, but the store managers sure receive nice paychecks if the store meets it's quotas for warranties.


Bigger paycheck for SM = more pressuring from him on salesman to push the warranties = salesmen lying in order to actually sell the warranties.


Until BB decides to get rid of the kickbacks for the warranties, this practice will continue. Salesmen will lie to sell the warranties, and people will believe those lies. To be honest, I don't even blame the salesmen, because I used to work in electronics at Sears. As bad as Best Buy is at pushing the warranties, trust me, Sears corporate makes you push them even harder. They threaten your job if you don't meet your PA (Protection Agreement) goal. It's a joke. The SM of the store here actually told me one time "To be honest, I would rather you NOT sell a TV if you aren't able to get the customer to buy the PA" I was like WTF are you joking?


Sears is all about the PA.
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Originally Posted by TopShelf17 /forum/post/18207163


First of all Leon's, in my experience, has the worse customer service of any store in Canada. The story I could tell you.


Secondly, it's no wonder that TV manufacturer's are reluctant to cave in to customer complaints and cause them to question consumer issues and motivations after reading this example of fraud.


On the other hand, you picked a good store to rip off.
Yes I am guilty of fraud
and I don't suggest anyone else to do the same because the outcome may not be the same!


I must say in my defense that because this was a known issue with this particular model (HDMI plug coming loose) I just expedited the process within my warranty period. I also recall them asking how I was treating the unit. I told them because of poor design (i.e. 1 HDMI) I had to constantly unplug and plug other devices in.
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