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Hi everyone! 

 

I am new to this forum, and after much research I cannot decide between plasma or led. The prices are not much different so that is not a factor in my decision but picture quality is of utmost importance.

 

I will be viewing the TV from 9-10 feet away. I will be using it mostly to watch media through my laptop connected through a HDMI cable. I will be watching Youtube videos, Netflix, etc.... I will also watch HD movies, and some TV shows like the Office once in a while.

 

As for the room setup, I have windows to the side of the room with Venetian blinds so I can block out light from outside easily.

 

I have one ceiling light in the room which provides lighting for the entire room, it is in the center of the room. The TV will be mounted in its direct path, however I do plan on installing a dimmer switch when I buy the TV.

 

My main issue with the Panasonic is the glare and based on my room setup, do you guys think it will be a problem?

 

Also, I do really enjoy keeping my windows open through the day, as the room is also my work space. I do not want to turn the room into a cave to watch the plasma.

 

I am also considering the 46" model of the Sony I provided - KDL46R450. I have read the Sony 46 inch models have better panels.

 

If you guys can provide your recommendation, I will highly appreciate it.

 

Thanks!
 

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If you want to reduce glare, try an alternate version of an S60 called S64 which has the same anti reflective filter as the ST60. I have one and it's great to finally watch anything during the day.


As for the PQ, the S60 will win in a landslide victory, but I'll still list pros and cons.


S60 pros


+ sick, Sick, SICK black. Auto dimming LCDs like Samsungs and Sonys have nothing on this.

+ 700 lines of motion resolution without using that soap opera crap.

+ Clean detail, relatively wide gamut. The CMS may be limited, but the picture still look very natural.


S60 cons


- phosphor lag (Not an issue other than games, but you may be able to find it in bright background)

- IR (Just run the orbitor to ON and it's an non issue)

- slight buzzing (mine has mild buzzing. YMMV)

- Line bleeding and banding from time to time (Again, mild on mile, but still can be distracting. Again, YMMV)

- Aggressive ABL (It's not a bright plasma. No problem for movies other than anime IMO)

- Dithering (Definitely the dirtiest plasma this year. Isn't too much of an issue for movies IMO)

- does not correctly handle 24hz when outputting in 60hz.

- 48hz will drive you crazy with flickers

- Scaling could be better. Low bitrate materials like Youtube seems to look mediocre on this display. But then again, all 1080p displays are poor with Youtube.
 

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I am in Canada, and S64 is almost $300 more than the S60. So that is not an option for me thanks for wonderful advise and write up however. I am leaning towards the Sony right now despite mainstream opinion on the internet about Panasonic plasma's, as I am afraid of issues of reflective and as you stated it is great watch anything in the day since you got the S64.
 

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Originally Posted by KOF  /t/1503896/panasonic-viera-tcp50s60...ase-help-in-buying-new-tv/0_100#post_24037761


S60 cons


My take:

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- slight buzzing (mine has mild buzzing. YMMV)


Rarely hear on mine unless I'm right near the TV

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- Line bleeding and banding from time to time (Again, mild on mile, but still can be distracting. Again, YMMV)


If you own a PDP long enough you probably won't be bothered by it.

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- Aggressive ABL (It's not a bright plasma. No problem for movies other than anime IMO) I have my mine set on low in the Cinema mode using CNET's settings.


Under normal lighting conditions even with the panel brightness set to low, this set is also bright enough for me. Rarely notice any ABL issues even when watching sports.

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-- Dithering (Definitely the dirtiest plasma this year. Isn't too much of an issue for movies IMO)


The better the content quality the less dithering. Rarely notice it on Blu-Ray.

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--does not correctly handle 24hz when outputting in 60hz..


There is some judder with 24p content, but it's usually only noticeable when movie credits are scrolling. This is fairly common on HDTV's.

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- Scaling could be better. Low bitrate materials like Youtube seems to look mediocre on this display. But then again, all 1080p displays are poor with Youtube.


Has little effect on HD content.




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Rarely hear on mine unless I'm right near the TV

If you own a PDP long enough you probably won't be bothered by it.

Under normal lighting conditions even with the panel brightness set to low, this set is also bright enough for me. Rarely notice any ABL issues even when watching sports.


The better the content quality the less dithering. Rarely notice it on Blu-Ray.




There is some judder with 24p content, but it's usually only noticeable when movie credits are scrolling. This is fairly common on HDTV's.

Has little effect on HD content.




Ian
 

Thanks for the advice! I have actually ordered the S60 but was considering cancelling it for the Sony, still undecided. 

 
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The Sony is a better than the S60.
 

Can you clarify?
 

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Mr Ian, my 0~255 RGB "games" are neither bitrate limited nor compressed like the movies. I actually see dithering less common with the movies, but I can see it's there all the time. My previous LG plasma was cleaner in comparison. (wasn't perfect either. PWM noises drove me to nuts) I am very happy with buzzing on mine though. I can hear it, but it's not distracting at all.
 

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The Sony is a better than the S60.

Is just that i din't like s60. Is a basic plasma and is no better than the Sony. The sony is a backlit set and have good black levels. The panasonic is not very bright and it will be difficult to watch on bright rooms, the Sony is brighter and easier to watch. If you want something better than the Sony and the S60, check the S64 from Costco.
 

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The s60 destroys that Sony in contrast ratio it's no contest you would have to go up to the w900a to get similar contrast ratio no offense but there really is no comparison
 

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Not even the W900 is going to match the S60's contrast ratio. If the majority of full local dimming backlits back then couldn't win against the VT25, what chance would an edge-lit going to have against the S60, which has superior black to the VT30 let alone the VT25?


I know the S-PVAs very well because I used to have a 46 inch Sony S-PVAs too, so I know where their strengths and weaknesses are, and contrast ratio is one thing the Sony will not win against the S60. 0.0146fL for the Sony W900 against 0.0024fL of the S60? please!
 

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Even with the w900a your not at the picture quality level of the S60. I have a w900a and panasonic U50 plasmas and even the budget U50 that you can get for $500 now smokes my w900a. The contrast, motion resolution, and black level of plasmas just destroy LCD's. A tv revolution is in order, when a $2K tv cant match the picture quality of a $500 plasma some thing is not right. My opinion? Instead of worrying about reflections and buying an inferior product, invest some money into shades and buy a plasma. It will last you for years to come, and even with the coming of OLED and 4K, the S60 will hold its own.
 

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I wasn't suggesting it would beat the s60 just that to get comparable performance you have to spend A lot more


I love plasma also but the w900 is a nice set
 

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Even with the w900a your not at the picture quality level of the S60. I have a w900a and panasonic U50 plasmas and even the budget U50 that you can get for $500 now smokes my w900a. The contrast, motion resolution, and black level of plasmas just destroy LCD's. A tv revolution is in order, when a $2K tv cant match the picture quality of a $500 plasma some thing is not right. My opinion? Instead of worrying about reflections and buying an inferior product, invest some money into shades and buy a plasma. It will last you for years to come, and even with the coming of OLED and 4K, the S60 will hold its own.

Sorry to ask you OT, but may I have answers on a few questions? How does the MotionPlus Impulse of the W900a handle motion against your U50? Is there any issues? Does your U50 suffer from "baked faces" issues that the ST50/GT50 owners complained about when playing games? Overall, how satisfactory is your U50's ABL? I have an S64, but I still can't get over some of the things the U50/UT50 does better than my S64.
 

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Mr Ian, my 0~255 RGB "games" are neither bitrate limited nor compressed like the movies. I actually see dithering less common with the movies, but I can see it's there all the time. My previous LG plasma was cleaner in comparison. (wasn't perfect either. PWM noises drove me to nuts) I am very happy with buzzing on mine though. I can hear it, but it's not distracting at all.

I don't game so I can't comment on the anomalies. However, I usually only see dithering with content that is compressed. It's rarely a problem on BD.


BTW, you can call me Ian, or you can call me mailiang, but you don't have to call me MR.


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Is just that i din't like s60. Is a basic plasma and is no better than the Sony. The sony is a backlit set and have good black levels. The panasonic is not very bright and it will be difficult to watch on bright rooms, the Sony is brighter and easier to watch. If you want something better than the Sony and the S60, check the S64 from Costco.

With or with out AR filters, plasmas are not designed for very bright rooms. They are more appropriate for Home Theater applications. That being said, most experts prefer plasmas under normal lighting conditions then LCD's. The Sony is a nice TV, but I prefer the picture of the S60.



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I wasn't suggesting it would beat the s69 just that to get comparable performance you have to spend A lot more


I love plasma also but the w900 is a nice set

Well, if the W900 gets similiar contrast ratio as the LG plasma, then it really isn't getting anywhere near to be comparable. Contrast ratio has actually been decreasing on the PVA land ever since they adopted PSA technology. Samsung took a dive with ES8000 for example.
 

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It was measured at 6000:1 that is better than my 2011 st30 again I like plasma but for an led it's not bad
 

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That figure came from a review I don't own a w900 just happen to think its a nice set



As much as we all love plasma it isn't for everyone and sonys do have some slither strengths like great video processing and In the W900s case very accurate color and greyscale
 

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Sorry to ask you OT, but may I have answers on a few questions? How does the MotionPlus Impulse of the W900a handle motion against your U50? Is there any issues? Does your U50 suffer from "baked faces" issues that the ST50/GT50 owners complained about when playing games? Overall, how satisfactory is your U50's ABL? I have an S64, but I still can't get over some of the things the U50/UT50 does better than my S64.

Impulse mode actually makes the motion resolution better than plasma, however it is not really useable for me. The picture gets extremely dim, and there is noticeable flicker that reminds me of plasma in 48hz mode. The ABL on the U50 is seamless, I can not notice it working unless I try to look for it. I don't know what the "baked faces" issue was, but games look amazing. Not to mention the input lag on the U50 is measures at 22ms with the Leo Bodnar device. The w900a measures in at around 19ms. Whats interesting is I ran an HDMI splitter to both sets and the U50 was noticeably more responsive despite reading higher on the input lag tester. Also, when running a plasma next to a LCD, you really notice the difference in motion resolution.
 

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Impulse mode actually makes the motion resolution better than plasma, however it is not really useable for me. The picture gets extremely dim, and there is noticeable flicker that reminds me of plasma in 48hz mode. The ABL on the U50 is seamless, I can not notice it working unless I try to look for it. I don't know what the "baked faces" issue was, but games look amazing. Not to mention the input lag on the U50 is measures at 22ms with the Leo Bodnar device. The w900a measures in at around 19ms. Whats interesting is I ran an HDMI splitter to both sets and the U50 was noticeably more responsive despite reading higher on the input lag tester. Also, when running a plasma next to a LCD, you really notice the difference in motion resolution.

Actually dimmer than your U50? Wow that was unexpected. I knew there would be a drop (98cd/m2 according to reviews) but if what you're saying is true, then the plasmas still reign supreme when it comes to games. My S64, which is brighter than your U50, hits 38 cd/m2 when maximum ABL is hit, and can hit up to 170 cd/m2 when no ABL is engaged. Like you said with your U50, the ramping up of ABL is very gentle with my S64 too, but of course, I still crave for less aggressive ABLs. So, it comes as a surprised when constant 98 cd/m2 would be considered dimmer than even my 38~170 cd/m2. So, Mark is only half correct when he says MotionPlus Impulse is superior to plasmas in motions.


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag


Like you said, it's scientifically proven that Leo Bodnar is harsher on plasmas, so your U50 should be screaming fast when it comes to input lags.
 
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