Lots of threads on this already. I just bought one to replace an H/K avr 135 to pair with a set of gallo A'diva speakers, I'm hoping for a nice audio surprise. 
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Panny Digital- Type of Sound?
I am thinking about getting a Panny SA-XR57. And beyond all of the talk how it is great for the money, I was wondering what type of sound it produces?
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I would say the panny has a good neutral sound , maybe slightly bright at higher volumes . I also have an hk and to me they are similar sounding but the hk is more natural ,musical . I never did a side by side but I think they are similar.
Both sound excellent for movies but slight edge for warmer tones on the HK in music . I think highly of both and I am satisfied with the performance of both . But I probably would not knowingly pair the panny with brighter speakers .
That is just a personal taste I guess.
Both sound excellent for movies but slight edge for warmer tones on the HK in music . I think highly of both and I am satisfied with the performance of both . But I probably would not knowingly pair the panny with brighter speakers .
That is just a personal taste I guess.
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What kind of speakers are you thinking about pairing this with?
| Originally Posted by QZ1 I am thinking about getting a Panny SA-XR57. And beyond all of the talk how it is great for the money, I was wondering what type of sound it produces? |
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Well, for various reasons I can only choose from Polk RM7400, Infinity TSS4000 and Mirage OmniSat v2. Those are the front three tower model numbers. With Infinity and Mirage there would be bookshelves for the backs. Polk would be small towers. This will be a 5.1 system.
Funny, my other choice for a receiver was the HK340 (can't fit anything better from HK, but people are telling me it should be enough.)
I don't like high volumes or bright speakers. If they are similar, I would rather go with the Panny because it gives of less heat and is lighter to move.
I am reading that Mirage is inaccurate, but uses omnipolar tech., which some like, other don't. I don't remember if anyone gave a concise characterization of the sound on the Polks and Infinity.
If Panny can be slightly bright, I would like to offset that with the speakers.
| Originally Posted by Russdawg What kind of speakers are you thinking about pairing this with? |
Funny, my other choice for a receiver was the HK340 (can't fit anything better from HK, but people are telling me it should be enough.)
I don't like high volumes or bright speakers. If they are similar, I would rather go with the Panny because it gives of less heat and is lighter to move.
I am reading that Mirage is inaccurate, but uses omnipolar tech., which some like, other don't. I don't remember if anyone gave a concise characterization of the sound on the Polks and Infinity.
If Panny can be slightly bright, I would like to offset that with the speakers.
The Panasonic is very neutral. However, most amps are on the warm side, hence, it seems as if the Panasonic is on the bright side. To exacerbate the misconception, quite a few speakers that are bright (i.e. Klipsch, Axiom, Athena, Orb) and some people blame the amp, because why blame $$$$ speakers when you can blame a $$$ amp. If that wasn't enough, many people prefer a warmer sound (especially for music - musical often being a euphonism for warm).
If you prefer an accurate sound and don't have bright speakers, or you have warm speakers and are looking for an amp that doesn't amplify the warmth, I'd look at the Panasonic digital series. Otherwise, I'd look at other amps, like the HK series, which are known for being warm.
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Generally, it is best to choose your speakers first and choose your amp last. Your amp will generally only affect the coloration and dynamics of the sound, whereas, your speakers will affect clarity, speed, soundstage and imaging as well as other factors. So, find some speakers with a personality you really like and buy an amp that suits them, rather than the other way around (which you seem to be doing).
If you prefer an accurate sound and don't have bright speakers, or you have warm speakers and are looking for an amp that doesn't amplify the warmth, I'd look at the Panasonic digital series. Otherwise, I'd look at other amps, like the HK series, which are known for being warm.
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| Originally Posted by QZ1 If Panny can be slightly bright, I would like to offset that with the speakers. |
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I run Klipsch Fortes with my Panny xr55 and it sounds fantastic. Not bright at all. Just FYI.
| Originally Posted by Lindahl The Panasonic is very neutral. However, most amps are on the warm side, hence, it seems as if the Panasonic is on the bright side. To exacerbate the misconception, quite a few speakers that are bright (i.e. Klipsch, Axiom, Athena, Orb) and some people blame the amp, because why blame $$$$ speakers when you can blame a $$$ amp. If that wasn't enough, many people prefer a warmer sound (especially for music). If you prefer an accurate sound and don't have bright speakers, or you have warm speakers and are looking for an amp that doesn't amplify the warmth, I'd look at the Panasonic digital series. Otherwise, I'd look at other amps, like the HK series, which are known for being warm. Generally, it is best to choose your speakers first and choose your amp last. Your amp will generally only affect the coloration and dynamics of the sound, whereas, your speakers will affect clarity, speed, soundstage and imaging as well as other factors. So, find some speakers with a personality you really like and buy an amp that suits them, rather than the other way around (which you seem to be doing). |
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You may prefer their brightness, or your room may reduce the brightness or your hearing may be rolling off the highs. Another possibility would be that the Fortes may not be bright. I'm not familiar with that particular line, but in general Klipsch is on the bright side and the Panasonic is notably accurate.
| Originally Posted by bdbaba I run Klipsch Fortes with my Panny xr55 and it sounds fantastic. Not bright at all. Just FYI. |
I have run the pannys--xr25,45,70, and now 55 with Mirage M3SI's, Gallo REF 3's, Mirage OMC2's, Klipsch Epic 3's, and now Klipsch Fortes and the only time any of them sounded bright was when the Panny's were right out of the box. After about a week of straight runtime, the sound smoothed out--no brightness.
My room is all tiled floors and painted walls, without too much spongy furniture to absorb sound, so I doubt the room is helping any. My hearing--and my wife's for that matter--is better then most from what I have observed and from what I have been told by my friends, so I doubt it is that.
I might just say that the fortes are accurate as well as the panny--rather then bright.
I am not trying to be mean here, I am just not into major generalizations. Maybe some Klipsch speakers have been and are bright, but not all. I have heard that the original Cornwalls may be a tad bright with the wrong equipment, but I have never heard them and cannot speak to that. Hope this helps in some way or other.
Cheers.
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My room is all tiled floors and painted walls, without too much spongy furniture to absorb sound, so I doubt the room is helping any. My hearing--and my wife's for that matter--is better then most from what I have observed and from what I have been told by my friends, so I doubt it is that.
I might just say that the fortes are accurate as well as the panny--rather then bright.
I am not trying to be mean here, I am just not into major generalizations. Maybe some Klipsch speakers have been and are bright, but not all. I have heard that the original Cornwalls may be a tad bright with the wrong equipment, but I have never heard them and cannot speak to that. Hope this helps in some way or other.
Cheers.
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| Originally Posted by Lindahl You may prefer their brightness, or your room may reduce the brightness or your hearing may be rolling off the highs. Another possibility would be that the Fortes may not be bright. I'm not familiar with that particular line, but in general Klipsch is on the bright side and the Panasonic is notably accurate. |
I have just finished auditioning DALI Suite 2.8 (Rotel-based setup) and am thoroughly impressed with the sound: very fluid, smooth and yet detailed. Male and female classical vocals are very natural and Tchaikovsky first concerto for piano and orchestra truly sounds as it should.
I like DALIs very much indeed and am wondering what SOUND I will get from them in SA-XRxx-based setup as I am going to get SA-XR57 (who knows when we will see this enigmatic SA-XR700...).
I like DALIs very much indeed and am wondering what SOUND I will get from them in SA-XRxx-based setup as I am going to get SA-XR57 (who knows when we will see this enigmatic SA-XR700...).
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I appreciate all of the advice. Unfortunately, I have to deal with those in the household that require a certain look for speakers and receiver, and that the latter fits in the cabinet, (eventhough the latter will be replaced eventually). So, I really have to choose between two receivers and three sets of speakers, as mentioned above.
| Originally Posted by Lindahl Generally, it is best to choose your speakers first and choose your amp last. |
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Maybe not. Almost everything that I've read about Klipsch has stated that they are on the bright side, and the few lines I've heard, I felt the same way. Very strange. Of course, I certainly haven't heard all lines so maybe there's a few gems in there (if you disdain bright speakers).
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Well I definately can't help ya on that! Good luck.
| Originally Posted by bdbaba I am not trying to be mean here, I am just not into major generalizations. Maybe some Klipsch speakers have been and are bright, but not all. |
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| Originally Posted by QZ1 Unfortunately, I have to deal with those in the household that require a certain look for speakers and receiver |
Originally Posted by QZ1
Unfortunately, I have to deal with those in the household that require a certain look for speakers and receiver
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To be more specific, also price, availability online, and, of course, sound are taken into consideration. If you'd like, you could help in giving your opinion on which of the three choices from Polk, Infinity, and Mirage (models listed before) that you would recommend.
Unfortunately, I have to deal with those in the household that require a certain look for speakers and receiver
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| Originally Posted by Lindahl Well I definately can't help ya on that! Good luck. |
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