Panny E80 v. Pioneer 510: Editing capabilities?

I have had both. I had the E80H for almost a month and it started adding digital artifacts pretty badly or it was there the whole time and I never caught it. I returned due to that fact.


I now have the Pioneer DVR-510 and like it quite a bit better but it was $125 more. However it has well over $125 worth of options: Thumbnails, DVD-RW burning, customizable PQ adjustment for inputs, DV input, auto start feature, 4x Dubbing opposed to E80H's 1X high speed dub, slicker looking unit, nicer remote, supports more media formats as WM audio file and picture files, has 192/24 bit audio DACs opposed to E80H's 96/24 bit DACs, Records DVD-RWs in compatible Video mode or in VR video editing mode, has adjustable auto chapter time intervals, displays chapter marking icon on screen so that you don't have to look at LCD display to see if it took your chapter mark, and allows MPEG 5.1 audio digital output if you have a processor that handles it.


Editing capabilities are very similar although Pioneer is easier to use in this regard. Once I play more, I'll report back.


Have a good one.

Editing is easier on the Pioneer plus it has another option which the Panasonic does not have, that being "COMBINE", to combine two chapters into one.


To take commercials out in the Pioneer is easy. Just chapter mark the beginning and the end of the commercials and then go back and erase that commercial chapter. It's very easy.


Also one thing that the Panasonic doesn't have that Pioneer does, IS AN UNDO feature. So if you screw up on editing on the Pioneer you can undo it, with the Panasonic you're just screwed.


Also the Pioneer allows you to dub a finalized DVD-Video to the hard drive in 'real time' so that it can be edited. Also a none finalized Video mode disc or a VR mode DVD-RW can be high speed dubbed to the hard drive for editing. Also, direct high speed back ups of finalized DVD-R video mode discs can be done but editing isn't allowed. DVD-Rs can only be backed up to DVD-Rs where DVD-RW can be backed up to DVD-RW or DVD-Rs. This again is a HUGE feature that the E80H can't do. Well worth the extra $125 premium.


Have a good one.

Mike... can you please confirm whether or not the Pioneer has zoom? Crutchfield.com lists it as having zoom, but I went to Pioneer's website and looked in the owner's manual and it says zooming for slideshows......... If you can't actually zoom into movies, then yet again I will have to change my mind about which recorder to get. If I pay so much for a recorder, I want the features I am looking for! Also, it only has a 10 bit/ 54MHz DAC! So i am already worried yet again about PQ. AND it appears it does not have a time base corrector. I don't know much about the TBC's, but people have said before you must get one on your recorder if you want a good recorder!


Choosing a recorder is such a headache! The Sony has best PQ, but not zoom or HDD. The Toshiba has zoom and HDD, but wont be out for a month or two. And I THOUGHT this Pioneer would be perfect and now it appears when they say zoom they do not mean in movies. Or can you somehow take stills from movies and make them a JPEG and then zoom???? I really hope this is the right recorder for me.


thanks

Zenith2525,


Your post sounds identical to my first post on the E80H use. It does the same.


Unfortunately, I already found the 510 do the same, no auto chapter marks. They simply can't be added automatically. You have to add them manually as you have to add manually the navi mark also (it's setting don't take either). After having the E80H for a month, this seems to be the norm as auto chapter marking and navi marking seem to be parts of the finalization process when a hard drive high speed dub is not done. I don't know why things operate as they do but the E80H seems to share the same limitations.


By the way, I found a HUGE sale today. Walgreens has Memorex 2X DVD-R 10 packs for $15!! They're usually $24 at Walgreens and Best Buy. I grabbed a total of 3 ten packs. Now I have 40 blacks total for mass recording! I'm locking myself in the house, don't bother me for a month.


Have a good one.