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PDP-5080HD vs. HP-T4264, on my floor!

2948 Views 56 Replies 11 Participants Last post by boostfrenzy, Jan 16, 2008

boostfrenzy

Discussion Starter · Jan 15, 2008

I fed HD DCT-6412 @ 1080i, HDMI to the 5080 Component to the Samsung HP-T4264, both sets less than 10hrs, both adjusted to my liking (both movie mode but tried others, adjusted all values on both sets until in lighter scenes they were somewhat similar, but no way i could make the blacks look right in the samsung without severely crushing detail and overall light)

The Pioneer absolutely *DESTROYS* the Samsung without mercy in dark scenes, fine detail and had much better processing overall (the samsung had noticably more pixelation / macroblocking than the pioneer although I know comcast compresses the feed a lot, some tv's more sensitive than others)

However, i'm probably more into "video" like representation than the softer "film" look, the above aside I can't make the pioneer really POP colors like the Samsung does... which I know is how they sell their tv's to hide where it's weak, but how could I get this "unnatural" look from my 5080 if I wanted in combination with the areas it clearly excels at?

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discopaul

· #2 · Jan 15, 2008

That's an even matchup

Actually given that matchup, the Sammy's 42" better or more natural colors says alot.

No, ya can't match Sammy's natural colors with the Pioneer. Besides, why would you want that "weakness" in your Pioneer.

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Zinthar

· #3 · Jan 15, 2008

haha, requesting advice on how to purposely get inaccurate colors is a rare request around here. It might be possible, but I'd urge you to reconsider -- over saturated colors and unusually strong blues gets tiring quite quickly, and you're actually sacrificing the depth of the picture when your greyscale isn't tracking D6500 properly (since you're set is no longer displaying a picture as the director intended).

discopaul

· #4 · Jan 15, 2008

Exactly, it's easy to get tired of seeing people's facial features like you do in real life. Pimples, wrinkles, nose hairs. Who needs that kind of realism. How do those Sammy people put up with that kind of PQ?

For god sakes, leave that kuro picture alone and just enjoy every black scene that comes up

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joemama127

· #5 · Jan 15, 2008

I know I'm up early and may still be groggy...but did the OP just ask how to make his Pioneer look like a Samsung?

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ewitte

· #6 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by joemama127 /forum/post/12818929

I know I'm up early and may still be groggy...but did the OP just ask how to make his Pioneer look like a Samsung?

The color is quite good on these sets, unfortunately worse black levels though... but nothing beats the Pioneer at that. I found Samsung much closer to the PQ of Pioneer than Panasonic though for this years model thats why I went with them for the purchase since I didn't have the cash for Pioneer.

boostfrenzy

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jan 15, 2008

I know it's unnatural and wrong in the Samsung, but on some content I like that flashy vibrant look

ewitte

· #8 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by boostfrenzy /forum/post/12819360

I know it's unnatural and wrong in the Samsung, but on some content I like that flashy vibrant look

Cnet and the other site list the primary colors at matching really closely with the grey scale tracking just a little off. I agree though I usually do like a little extra which is why I usually turn "dynamic contrast" to low even though its listed as off with the majority of the settings people lsit.

E-A-G-L-E-S

· #9 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by discopaul /forum/post/12818409

That's an even matchup

Actually given that matchup, the Sammy's 42" better or more natural colors says alot.

No, ya can't match Sammy's natural colors with the Pioneer. Besides, why would you want that "weakness" in your Pioneer.

You are a funny guy. I don't know if you saw this but I did an a-b comparison of the 5084 to the 5080....and I'll just say that color accuracy is not better on the Sammy's. Same with skin tones

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shaneotool

· #10 · Jan 15, 2008

Use dynamic mode on the pioneer if you want vibrant and flashy

discopaul

· #11 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by boostfrenzy /forum/post/12819360

I know it's unnatural and wrong in the Samsung, but on some content I like that flashy vibrant look

Hah. It's a Sammy so it must be wrong but it's oh so good.

By the way, if ya wanna quietly buy a Sammy and enjoy visual nirvana you can pm me. I'll keep your secret

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discopaul

· #12 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S /forum/post/12820984

You are a funny guy. I don't know if you saw this but I did an a-b comparison of the 5084 to the 5080....and I'll just say that color accuracy is not better on the Sammy's. Same with skin tones

Eagles, can't be. The Pioneer destroys the Sammy. Go see an optometrist and ask him why you can get the same 2 dimensional picture in the Sammy as in the Pioneer.

boostfrenzy

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by discopaul /forum/post/12822263

Hah. It's a Sammy so it must be wrong but it's oh so good.

By the way, if ya wanna quietly buy a Sammy and enjoy visual nirvana you can pm me. I'll keep your secret

Huh? Samsung exchanged my ultra problem piece of JUNK HP-S4253 that I bought new in December 2006 for a HP-T4264 via a carrier service, so it took a couple weeks to happen (arrived yesterday), BB ran the 5080 deal this week and I impulsively wanted it because 1) I wanted a 50" set anyway 2) i'm all done with samsung, i knew i should have spent kuro money in the first place, but now with the 5080's pricing that's much more feasable.

So either way, as of monday I had a 1 day old 5080 in my living room and a brand new untouched HP-T4264 sitting in the spare room... decided to pair them off while they were in the house while the Sammy's listed on craigs list and waiting to help me recoup the cost on the 5080

But, while we're on the subject, my 5080 doesn't have the blotches a few people noticed on theirs, doesn't flicker/have a odd line at the bottom of the display sometimes with 480i sources 1 pixel row deep horizontally/no pink hue or uniformity problems/no IR even when you're being careful... all of which made my HP-S4253 such a piece of crap... like most the 4253/5053's on here, given that I'm not even willing to gamble with a Samsung again... even if the new 4264 could only potentionally suffer "flicking & judder"... I'm really trying to find a flaw with my 5080 and I can't, that justifies it on it's own

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discopaul

· #14 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by boostfrenzy /forum/post/12822576

Huh? Samsung exchanged my ultra problem piece of JUNK HP-S4253 that I bought new in December 2006 for a HP-T4264 via a carrier service, so it took a couple weeks to happen (arrived yesterday), BB ran the 5080 deal this week and I impulsively wanted it because 1) I wanted a 50" set anyway 2) i'm all done with samsung, i knew i should have spent kuro money in the first place, but now with the 5080's pricing that's much more feasable.

So either way, as of monday I had a 1 day old 5080 in my living room and a brand new untouched HP-T4264 sitting in the spare room... decided to pair them off while they were in the house while the Sammy's listed on craigs list and waiting to help me recoup the cost on the 5080

But, while we're on the subject, my 5080 doesn't have the blotches a few people noticed on theirs, doesn't flicker/have a odd line at the bottom of the display sometimes with 480i sources 1 pixel row deep horizontally/no pink hue or uniformity problems/no IR even when you're being careful... all of which made my HP-S4253 such a piece of crap... like most the 4253/5053's on here, given that I'm not even willing to gamble with a Samsung again... even if the new 4264 could only potentionally suffer "flicking & judder"... I'm really trying to find a flaw with my 5080 and I can't, that justifies it on it's own

Yes, do get that piece of crap Sammy out of your house immediately. It's corrupting influence, the way it can "POP colors" will ruin the viewing experience from your Pioneer.

Enjoy the 5080.

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boostfrenzy

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by discopaul /forum/post/12822991

Yes, do get that piece of crap Sammy out of your house immediately. It's corrupting influence, the way it can "POP colors" will ruin the viewing experience from your Pioneer.

Enjoy the 5080.

*sigh* the point I was trying to make was on some content, I do enjoy the unnatural blast of inaccruate color the samsung shows however it's LIGHT YEARS behind the Pioneer at processing, dark scenes, clarity and smooth motion and without mention reliability, but i'm sure the pioneer can be configured to retain all of it's superb features along with a little POP if you wanted it to.

To be fair, at original MSRP's comparing say the T4264 & 4280HD, it would probably be somewhat hard to justify the price difference like it was for me UNLESS you saw them side by side in your own viewing environment, hell, I compared a 5080HD 50" against a 42" 4264 at the same distance and the larger set was still just destroying it, factoring in today's store pricing... I can't see why anyone would buy anything BUT a 5080HD

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audioexcels

· #16 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by boostfrenzy /forum/post/12823336

*sigh* the point I was trying to make was on some content, I do enjoy the unnatural blast of inaccruate color the samsung shows however it's LIGHT YEARS behind the Pioneer at processing, dark scenes, clarity and smooth motion and without mention reliability, but i'm sure the pioneer can be configured to retain all of it's superb features along with a little POP if you wanted it to.

To be fair, at original MSRP's comparing say the T4264 & 4280HD, it would probably be somewhat hard to justify the price difference like it was for me UNLESS you saw them side by side in your own viewing environment, hell, I compared a 5080HD 50" against a 42" 4264 at the same distance and the larger set was still just destroying it, factoring in today's store pricing... I can't see why anyone would buy anything BUT a 5080HD

I'm still on the sideline about getting the 5080, but I have adjusted the Samsung 4254's and they in no way have inaccurate colors when you have things setup correctly. You can get very good black levels when setup correctly as well. I need to go back and tweek another set and see how the whites are on them.

If you look at "any" Samsung in a store, the colors are terrible...green is neon and not a rich green that you can achieve with some tweeking. I don't know about this colors popping thing when this "inaccurate" color pop can be seen on every single LCD set next to every plasma out...

To all those out there, what exactly is "accurate color"? Have you gone to the movie theater and seen "how much different" ANY of your sets look by comparison? It looks NOTHING like the film spinning off the role, let alone the original role of film...maybe when things become fully digital, you might get a "closer" representation, but until then, it's still a "reproduction" and "not" what was shot in real life (way far from that) nor on the roll of film you watched the movie on in the theate or what the people saw when the studio engineers gave them the final movie and it was approved to be "copied" and released to movie theaters. Everything is a reproduction of something and colors, blacks levels, etc. is ALL subjective. Pioneer seems to have the best of all worlds, along with more hassle free-ness of the other sets which makes them the best set to many out there...it still "does not" make them accurate in the very least.

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boostfrenzy

Discussion Starter · #17 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by audioexcels /forum/post/12824018

I'm still on the sideline about getting the 5080, but I have adjusted the Samsung 4254's and they in no way have inaccurate colors when you have things setup correctly. You can get very good black levels when setup correctly as well. I need to go back and tweek another set and see how the whites are on them.

If you look at "any" Samsung in a store, the colors are terrible...green is neon and not a rich green that you can achieve with some tweeking. I don't know about this colors popping thing when this "inaccurate" color pop can be seen on every single LCD set next to every plasma out...

I guarentee you no matter how you calibrate that 4254 can it hold half a candle to the 5080, not the same team league or even sport... but if not side by side viewing the exact same content with normal lighting, the samsung fairs just fine, after all it's not a bad TV for the price by any means... to me the Samsung is so ridiculous with bleeding colors that it tends to hide how not up to par the picture actually is, when you tone it down and get it looking normal your eyes aren't blasted with the over-vibrance that's helping hide how poor the rest is rendering

IMO Samsung vs. Pioneer isn't a preference, it's just a fact that the kuro massacres the sammy... as it should compared to just last week's prices, this week it becomes hard to still consider a samsung

audioexcels

· #18 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by boostfrenzy /forum/post/12824240

I guarentee you no matter how you calibrate that 4254 can it hold half a candle to the 5080, not the same team league or even sport... but if not side by side viewing the exact same content with normal lighting, the samsung fairs just fine, after all it's not a bad TV for the price by any means... to me the Samsung is so ridiculous with bleeding colors that it tends to hide how not up to par the picture actually is, when you tone it down and get it looking normal your eyes aren't blasted with the over-vibrance that's helping hide how poor the rest is rendering

IMO Samsung vs. Pioneer isn't a preference, it's just a fact that the kuro massacres the sammy... as it should compared to just last week's prices, this week it becomes hard to still consider a samsung

I certainly wouldn't argue the Samsung against the Pioneer and should have mentioned this. Sorry about that. I was merely saying what the Samsung is capable of vs. what you see on the floor. I have seen absolutely obnoxious looking examples of the set on the floor/walll/etc.

At the same time, if the Samsung is considered second best to the Pioneer Kuro, it sure says a lot about how incredibly horrid the Panasonics are...

I have no doubt the Kuro would be the best of the bunch, especially after calibrating every set, but I don't think the sets would be "dramatically" different.

BTW, how good is the white on a Kuro? I REALLY need to see one and see its white performance. Either Panasonic has the absolute worst whites of any flat panel on the market or what I have experienced with the Panasonic is what I can expect to experience with the Kuro due to plasma technology still not being able to reproduce a white white.

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hagar852

· #19 · Jan 15, 2008

The Samsung FP-T5084 would be a better comparison to the 5080.. They were on sale making both the Kuro and Sammy relatively the same price. That is when I got mine.

E-A-G-L-E-S

· #20 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by discopaul /forum/post/12822991

Yes, do get that piece of crap Sammy out of your house immediately. It's corrupting influence, the way it can "POP colors" will ruin the viewing experience from your Pioneer.

Enjoy the 5080.

Discopaul....why do you feel the need to tell everyone they are wrong or just brainwashed into thinking a Pioneer looks better than a Samsung plasma?

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