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Perhaps I'm spending more than I have to as well. I'm over $2300 now and there is going to be some "extras". I would appreciate feedback especially in the cost cutting area. I plan to replace my Tivo and tuner, store and play cd's and dvd's, light gaming, normal PC stuff ie. Internet, and x10 stuff. Right now I don't have a HDTV but will by year end. Picture and sound quality is a high priority obviously. Thanks in advance for any input.


Case : Silverstone LC 14 (hopefully it comes out by month end) $??

TV Tuner/PVR Card : Prolink PixelView 6800 (would like a dual card though) New PixelView PV-A425E? or the ATI 9700 Dual tuner card is $399

Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS Platinum $169.00

DVD Drive ; Plexor DVD RW 16x double layer $132.00

CD Drive :plexor CD RW 52x32x52 $84.00

Operating System : Win 2005 MCE $128.00

Case Cooling : Zalman 7700 $40

Power Supply : Coolmax 400W CX-400B $50

Audio/Video Cables : Need something to reach about 35 feet

CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS7000-CS $31.00

MBrd : ASUS A8 N-SLI Delux $269.00

CPU : AMD 64 3500 939 $267.00

Mem : Corsair 1gig Value Select $193.00

HD : Seagate 7200.8 300 MB SATA $235.00
 

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Stay away from the Soundblaster. You MB probably has onboard SPDIF that should work fine.


You don't need a separate CD drive. Your DVD drive will do CDs. Dual layer burners are also a luxury unless you actually plan on burning dual layer DVDs.


You probably don't need an SLI MB if you're only going to do light gaming.


Take one or two steps back on the CPU and overclock it.


The premium RAM is probably not required.
 

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motherboard seems like overkill...


to get maximum ffdshow performance, I would think spending more money on the processor itself would net a better result.


bells and whistles are cool but spending max money on hard drive space and copying all your cd's to the hard drive in wav or lossless format eliminates the need to ever put a cd in the player again.


bit perfect audio can be achieved with a m-audio or audiotrak sound card. the motherboard audio output can accomplish this only with software support for asio/kernel streaming.
 

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i'm not so sure the power supply you are thinking of is very quiet. I would go with something that is PCI-E compatible, sports 400 watts, and is practically INAUDIBLE.
 

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i'm not so sure the power supply you are thinking of is very quiet. I would go with something that is PCI-E compatible, sports 400 watts, and is practically INAUDIBLE.
And what would that be?


Any suggestions?


I'm going basically the same route except P4 instead of AMD.
 

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My 2 cents below. I just put together a HTPC, and I've been doing HTPC and Quiet PC for some time.


First here's some resources:
http://www.htpcnews.com/
http://www.silentpcreview.com/
http://www.pricegrabber.com/
http://www.pricewatch.com/
http://www.newegg.com/
http://www.pcalchemy.com/
http://www.anandtech.com/
http://www.thetechzone.com/
http://www.digitalconnection.com/
http://www.digitalconnection.com/shopper_case.asp

December 2004 HTPC Case Roundup
http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling...oc.aspx?i=2309


The case is a difficult decision. As far as I'm concerned no one makes a perfect HTPC case yet. Make sure that you parts will fit the case, ask around. Especially if you use any wild heat sinks like I did. Also, if your PC is going to be out in the open, looks and sound level come into play. I like my PC whisper quiet. Anyhow, here are my suggestions and rational.


Case: Ahanix D5 Media Center or Accent HT-400 HTPC Case or Silverstone LC-10M ATX ($229-$299) - Get a case that can eject the DVD tray without having to move a hidden door.
http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_inf...products_id/91
http://www.digitalconnection.com/Pro...ases/ht400.asp
http://www.digitalconnection.com/Pro...s/sstlc10m.asp


Video Card: GIGA-BYTE nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, 8X AGP, Model "GV-N68128DH" -RETAIL ($279.00) Has a passive heat sink and supports NVidias PureVideo.
http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo.html
http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_support.html
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...125-142&depa=1


TV Tuner/PVR Card: Hauppauge Win TV150 PVR-MCE-PCI ($72) get 2 of these. Just a cost reduced PVR-250MCE.


Sound Card: None (should get a MB with SPDIF coax and optical on board)


DVD Drive: NEC 16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive, Black, Model ND-3520A ($64.99) Quiet drive, cheap, often used.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...152-035&depa=0


CD Drive: You don't need one.


Operating System : Win 2005 MCE $128.00


Power Supply : Seasonic 400W ATX12V Power Supply, Model "SUPER TORNADO-400W" ($85.00) Uses a 120mm fan... very quiet.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article28-page3.html
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...151-018&depa=0


Audio/Video Cables: Sounds like you need to move some things around. Shouldn't need 35' cables.


CPU Cooler : Thermalright Heatsink Model "XP-120" ($64.99) This thing is awesome. See:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article186-page1.html
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...109-118&depa=0

You'll need a:

Panasonic Panaflo 120 x 38mm Cooling Fan, Model "FBA12G12M" ($15.99)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...180-081&depa=0


MBrd : EPoX "EP-8KDA3+" ($110.50) has SPDIF optical and coax, and 6 on board SATA.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...123-220&depa=0


CPU : AMD 64 3200 754 ($190.00) better price/performance ratio.


Mem :1gig special of the day should run you about $130.
http://www.newegg.com/app/manufact.a...log=147&DEPA=1


HD : Seagate 200GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model ST3200822AS ($131.18) Hard drive space should cost no more then $0.65 per gig. This drive has the best price/performance. If you need more drive space get 2. I have 4.
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...148-033&DEPA=1


That would be $1773.83 with 2 tuners and 400gb drive space. I think that's a machine that anyone would be proud to own. You'll still need a remote and/or keyboard.


Gyration GP1100-001 ULTRA GT Cordless Mouse and Mobile Keyboard Suite USB 88keys -RETAIL ($109.99) http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...172-004&depa=1


PS I had to take a dremel tool to the back of the heatsink of my Gigabyte 6800 to get it to live (fit) with the Thermalright 120. Buyer beware.
 

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Anvil, your 2 cents is more like 4 bucks. Thanks a bunch for the guidence. I'm sure I'll have more questions. My office where I'd like the HTPC is going to require about 40 feet (down the wall, over to the TV and back up) to the TV. I'll have to rethink the setup if that is impossible.
 

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TV Tuner/PVR Card : Prolink PixelView 6800 (would like a dual card though) New PixelView PV-A425E? or the ATI 9700 Dual tuner card is $399
what the heck are these

first you will need separate a video card and pvr card

the pvr 500 and a card made by nvidia are the only card I know of that are dual tuners

and at least with the pvr 500 you would be better off getting two cards rather than a dual tuner card when you have digital cable /satellite because there is only one composite and svideo input

for analogue cable they should be fine though


also there is no 9700 PCI express video card and never will be

as they are old dated technology

and then the AIW 97000 had only one tuner and it is not tuner card with hardware encoding which means it is not supported by the big pvr apps

MCE and SageTV


there is a 6800 PCI express version but it does not have a built in tuner on the card

also you need a PCI express video card not AGP so make sure you buy the correct video card if you are going to go with ASUS SLI mobo

good options would be the 6800 PCI express and 6600 GT

as I believe only nvidia video cards are supported now for sli


you should not need a CD burner and DVD burner

if anything buy the DVD burner and a DVD rom if you have to have dual drives
 

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With regard to Anvil's list:


1) I had good luck putting my MSI Neo Platinum mobo together, but this board only has 4 Sata inputs. With a HTPC, you can use up 4 pretty fast. The 6 on the Epox is much better for HTPC. If I had it to do over, I would look for such a board.


2) As best I can tell, Socket 754 offers much better performance for the price than Socket 939. All you lose is PCI-E and there isn't much offered for PCI-E right now.


3) Cases: if you can do a mid tower or tower, you will get more for the money. I'm using a Lian Li 1100, a mid tower HTPC case which I like very much. I have to agree with Anvil's comments on the door. The Lian Li has it and I'm giving serious thought to moving the DVD/CD drive. The drive just doesn't seem to open smoothly with the door there, and I worry that the added effort to open the door will prematurely burn out the tray opening mechanism.


4) If noise is a concern, you don't want to skimp on the PS. I'm using the Seasonic 400 SuperSilencer and I can't hear it.


5) CPU: Right now, it doesn't cost much to move from a Athlon 3200 to a 3400. The big price jump is to anything above 3400. I got the 3400 for no other reason than it didn't cost that much more.


6) CPU Fan: the stock fan for the Athlon 64 3400 is NOISY! You don't want it if you can about noise at all. I second the Thermalright HS. If you go for the XP120, check the Thermalright site to make sure it fits on your board. Also, I've been told that with the Panaflow fan, you will need to go into your Bios and de-activate the fan alarm because it's not setup for the PC to control fan speed. Aside from that Panaflow has a reputation for making some of the quietest fans around. Bigger fans are usually better because they can move the same amount of air at lower RPM than smaller fans for less noise.


7) Wireless keyboard: the Gyration is always mentioned in connection with wireless keyboards. Keep in mind that MS offers a remote designed for MCE 2005. Also, the new Belkin MediaPilot looks like a good alternative to the Gyration


8) Video cards: kind of depends are your uses. If you aren't gaming, you could probably get away with a cheaper card. I'm using an ATI 9600 Pro which is probably what you would want at a minimum. I'm using a CRT TV right now so video was not a priority.
 

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Ok. I brought the price down somewhat to just over $1800.00. Perhaps the MB is still an overkill since I don't do heavy gaming.


Case :Silverstone LC10B $249.00 (Silverstone LC 14 is not out until 4/22/05)

TV Tuner/PVR Card : Hauppauge Win TV150 PVR-MCE-PCI ($72) X2?

Sound Card: Will utilize onboard Realtec ALC850 8 channel

DVD Drive ; NEC 16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive, Model ND-3520A ($64.99)

Operating System : Win 2005 MCE $128.00

Video card: GIGA-BYTE nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, 8X AGP, Model "GV-N68128DH" -RETAIL ($279.00)

CPU Cooling : Zalman 7700 $42.00

Power Supply : Seasonic 400W ATX12V Power Supply, Model "SUPER TORNADO-400W" ($85.00) with fan

Audio/Video Cables : can I reach 40' or do I need to go wireless???

MBrd : ASUS A8 N-SLI Delux $269.00 would like a cheaper mb

CPU : AMD 64 3500 939 $267.00

Mem : Corsair 1gig Value Select $193.00

HD : Seagate 200g 7200rpm 8mb buffer ($142.00)



If I need to go wireless to get to my TV that'll add $300.00. I also need to look into a keyboard and mouse. Any out there I can use from my couch in RF? I'm a believer now that building vrs. buying from BB is the way to go.
 

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1) The SLI Asus mobo is overkill for a non hardcore gamer. You could save around $80 by dumping SLI and more like $160 by going with Socket 754.


2) The graphics card you listed is a AGP card. A comparable PCI-E card is going to cost you more $$$. But it's fine for Socket 754.


3) 40' for cables should be fine.


Think about it this way. If this PC is not a big time gaming rig, you don't need the latest and greatest processing power. Socket 754 Athlon 64 3200 as recommended by Anvil is fine. You can spend an extra $30 for a 3400 if you want (I did).


PCI-E may be the future, but by the time you need a replacement for the Socket 754 board, there will probably be something beyond that or at least availability will be better and the prices will have come down.


You're spending money on things I seriously doubt you will ever notice. You've put yourself on the bleeding edge, not the leading edge IF you are not a big time gamer.


But it's your money.
 

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All depends if you are after Bang for buck or a certain level of performance and functionalit irrespective of price.


My take on it:


Stick with a DVD burner, it's a nice quiet drive that will read troublesome discs better than a DVD ROM ever will.


Stick with Socket 939, they aren't all that much dearer than a similar speed 754 anyway so there is no reason to compromise on the dual channel memory available, not to mention that with socket 754 you have to deal with the hassle of problematic memory upgrades, most mobo's won't let you deal with any more than say 32 memory chips, so if you have 2 sticks of 512mb then you are pretty much full even if you have another slot or two, this isn't a problem with socket 939.


If you are going to be messing about with FFDShow or are even remotely considering it, don't skimp on the processor. I rely on an S754 Athlon64 3000+, but I limit myself to 80% CPU usage when I apply filters in FFDShow (this is on top of software DD/DTS decoding running 4:3 video material as a stress test, Eagles Hell Freezes Over via DTS is one test disc).


Audio wise if you are going external receiver/pre/pro then sure you can do with onboard digital for the time being, but thinking of analog will lead you to want to spend a bit more, looking at Revo territory and beyond.


Don't go wireless, this just causes another D/A and A/D conversion to be added to the chain and it usually isnt a good one, especially if image quality is a concern.


Other than that, nothing too overkill.


Cheers...

Duy-Khang Hoang
 

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if all youre doing is htpc, id get like an athlon 64 2800+, msi k8n neo platinum, 512mb value ram (any brand, crucial is really good at low price), USE STOCK COOLING (you arent going to overclock your htpc, are you?), seagate hard drive, single dvd burner, deacent graphics card (nvidia better for htpc), and just for reference, the watt rating on a power supply means NOTHING... look at the amperage on the 12v rail, make sure it is at LEAST 20a.


if you believe me ask more, i just dont really have time to argue with everyone here about what youll really need... cpu is really not important for htpc

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Stick with Socket 939, they aren't all that much dearer than a similar speed 754 anyway so there is no reason to compromise on the dual channel memory available, not to mention that with socket 754 you have to deal with the hassle of problematic memory upgrades, most mobo's won't let you deal with any more than say 32 memory chips, so if you have 2 sticks of 512mb then you are pretty much full even if you have another slot or two, this isn't a problem with socket 939.
memory thing, not true at all. 754 just lacks dual channel, which has some impact on gaming but zero impact on htpc. upgradability? dont buy into that crap. but, i do still recommend s939 only because now they are the exact same price as s754.


my computer:


AMD Athlon 64 3400+ Clawhammer (CG), Overclocked 2.2ghz -> 2.6ghz (using Venus 12 heatsink and ducting mod)

OCZ Gold PC-4000EL Rev2 [email protected] 512mb x2

MSI K8N Neo Platinum

ATI 9800pro 256mb 256bit, soon to be softmodded to 9800xt

Ultra X-Connect 500w PSU, 12v: 34a

Western Digital Raptor 74gb (only one for now, fastest sata hard drives made if you have two running in RAID0)

Western Digital Caviar 250gb

Asus DVD Drive

NEC 2510-a Dual-Layer Burner

Chenming 601 Case

[Unknown Sound card... i just swiped it off some other computer somewhere else... i think its a creative]


I definately researched for several MONTHS before building this computer. For changes for this situation, I'd recommend the 2nd best (because of exponential prices) s939 processor, 512mb value ram, nVidia 6800 series, 2x Western Digital Raptors (make sure you configure them in RAID0 though... but beware, these are over $150 EACH, very expensive, if you dont want that get Western Digital Caviar), DVDdrive/burner of your choice, case of your choice, sound card of your choice.


trust me


any more questions, either contact me, or visit http://forums.amd.com ...thats where i learned almost all i know over the last few years, although now im banned because some moderators didnt like what i said.
 

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Are you sure AndrewZorn? A lot of your advice is conflicting.


Stick two 512MB RAM chips and a 1GIG RAM chip onto most S754 mobos and you are not going to be pleased with the result, you will likely get clocked back down to 333 instead of 400 if at all. I agree with the mobo choice should you go S754 since it is the one I chose based on extensive reading.

http://www.tomshardware.com/motherbo...602/index.html


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"The Athlon64's memory controller is subject to a restriction that should not be underestimated, especially by the ambitious user: according to AMD's specification, it does not have the capability to operate two double-sided memory modules with a 200 MHz clock rate (DDR400 alias PC3200). According to the data sheet, a maximum configuration of 166 MHz or DDR333 is allowed in such devices. But who is going to buy a powerful processor only to nip its potential in the bud with slow memory?"


Why bother with Raid0 on a HTPC? There is precious little to be gained by going that route and a lot to lose, limited reward, unlimited risk is not good in my books.


Thirdly, don't underestimate CPU power. FFDShow can attest to that, if you have not used it before or don't intend to use it then you can even go with a lowly 1ghz machine, run everything DxVA in Overlay mode and be done with it.


Your machine specs look more like that belonging to a gamer and not a HTPC enthusiast, or at best a dual purpose rig. My apologies if I offend you but I wouldn't trust you on this matter, nor am I asking you to trust me. :)


Cheers...

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Stick two 512MB RAM chips and a 1GIG RAM chip onto most S754 mobos and you are not going to be pleased with the result, you will likely get clocked back down to 333 instead of 400 if at all. I agree with the mobo choice should you go S754 since it is the one I chose based on extensive reading.
since the memory controller is integrated on athlon64 cpus, it depends solely on the processor, not the motherboard (unless specifically stated as a problem with the board). the older clawhammer cores, like i have, you need a CG revision to be able to run more than one stick at ddr400. if you have CG, you can run 3 sticks at ddr400. if you have the older C0, you can only run one at ddr400, but more will all be ddr333. you can id your processor, do a google search. NEWER cores of the athlon64, like newcastle, and id assume winchester should have the same improved memory controller. also, these values are of course stock, that is why i have ddr500 ram, because my HTT is at 250 (500/2 @ 1:1). i got the clawhammer core because, although it is clocked lower, it has a 1mb l2 cache instead of the 512k found in the newer ones. you can overclock, but not overcache.


i just saw that link, and i also saw june 2, 2004. not many people had the newer cores then. like i said, go check it out on google or forums.amd.com... i know what im talking about here.


raid0 on htpc gives you 1-space, 2-simplicity (one drive to windows), and 3-speed, for running DVDs straight from the hard drive as well as copying/etc at insano speeds, especially with raptors. i noted it was by no means necessary, but a luxury that i chose to take over others. the risk is hardly any. i have never in my life had a drive fail, CERTAINLY not a WD Raptor.


okay, i dont know much about the FDD thing, but what is far more important than the speed of the cpu is how you use it (wow, that sounds like something else people say...). i run 16 processes in windows. to see how many you run, do CTRL-ALT-DEL and click the 'processes' tab at the top and then see the number at the bottom. these can be tweaked for minimality. i know people with FX-53s that load up their PC with crap (unwillingly) and (without my overclock) show FAR worse performance than mine. just because you have a cpu that is 80% as fast as another does not mean that if the faster one uses 100% cpu on a program that the slower one will not run it. thats what the optimizations are for. this is besides the fact that performance ratings from say a 2800+ to a 3400+ is probably about 85% to 100% ratio, at least for most things. like i said, no experience with that program specifically (TRYING to get upconversion to work...), but take this for example. DOOM3 uses 100% of my cpu, yet it can still run on an athlon XP 2600+ JUST AS WELL with the same graphics card. again, not sure whether the graphics card plays a role in your program, but cpu usage ratings/speed ratings of processors is not as cut-and-dry as it seems.

but still, he should shoot for a faster processor, nowadays an extra $20 can take you up to the next level until you hit the 'doubling point'.


not sure why it looks like a gaming rig to you... it kind of was, but i built it for everything... the graphics card alone shows that gaming was not my top concern. 1gb of ram can be used for a lot more than games. also, i did not exactly pay near as much as others for that 1gb... it is a multi-purpose rig. there is nothing about it that is not suited for HTPC, nothing at all. guaranteed it will run any HTPC program you run at it WITH EASE. like i said, im running usually 250x10.5 = 2.625ghz, with the 1mb cache, 1:1 memory ratio, ...i could go on and on. the graphics card is okay, but despite what people think, you do not need a 6800ultra for what people are doing here. nice for other things, but not needed by any means for video output.


i think i deserve the trust, because you were pretty much wrong on the memory and the 'gaming rig' ideas, with raid0 being an arguable opinion as well as the importance of the cpu.


feel free to further explain to me why my computer can not do everything i wanted it to do (i.e., everything).
 

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i'm not so sure the power supply you are thinking of is very quiet. I would go with something that is PCI-E compatible, sports 400 watts, and is practically INAUDIBLE.
I have that same powersupply and it is very quiet....
 

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Andrew, no offense (again) but you are assuming way too much about the technical proficiency of the people on this forum. I agree about the updated memory controllers on the newer cores, but that issue may needs to be raised as it simply is not feasible to say the only thing 754 lacked was dual channel, because for a time it did lack more. Did the fact that different motherboards with the same CPU over 2 different revisions ability to resolve memory correctly not strike you as something to pay a little attention to? Granted most HTPCs will do fine with a single stick of 512MB it would not be an issue, but invariably people will upgrade and they'd be mighty miffed if this was not put to case. There is no issue with the S939 though, so why increase the possible headaches without any real saving in price? That was my main reason for posting that information.


My reason for suggesting your rig looked as though it was gaming oriented/multi purpose is simple:

You've stated you don't need too much for a HTPC, yet you have gone somewhat over the specs you recommened, second of all your suggestion to run in RAID0 suggested you are after maximum IO performance, with a HTPC they are after a quiet machine to run in the living room usually, here hard drive performance is a non issue. Not everyone runs their HTPCs in the same room as they are going to be watching it but those that do (as is the case with the original poster given they are going after a Silverstone HTPC oriented case) will need to consider such things as noise and heat. The main reason however is the general feeling I got from reading your thread, that you obviously had not considered FFDShow, or VMR9 into the equation otherwise you would understand why around here there is much stock put into CPU power.


The video card does play an important role in the HTPC unless you haven't been reading very much on these forums. FFDShow is a major component of many forum members reason to be using a HTPC instead of a high end DVD player and scaler combo, this is aside from the additional benefit of having a GUI, media library and everything else a PC is.


Like I said, if you only intend on running DxVA DVD out on Overlay to a display device, then a 1Ghz machine with a DxVA capable card is all you need (go minimum Geforce FX5600, or ATI Radeon 9xx0 series for proper implementation of DxVA).


The difference is that those concerned about quality, will almost invariably go with a more powerful graphics card, run the damned thing in VMR9 mode (windowed, windowless or renderless depending on the app they are using). A lower spec DX9 Graphics card can handle VMR9 in renderless mode with DxVA in the appropriate application, but you will need a slightly more powerful card to handle FFDShow, Software decoding out to VMR9 renderless without tearing, and even more grunt should that be VMR9 windowed or windowless, for the last task a Geforce 6800 GT is often the minimum recommended with upscaling and FFDShow. CPU usage is important here as you do not want to be dropping frames when watching a movie as each movie is different hence if you drop frames on some movies, then movies that are more taxing on the processor will drop even more frames (e.g. noisier sources where you are running a denoise filter will eat more cycles, as does video sources where deinterlacing is more a concern and it is 30fps not the usual 24fps/25fps for PAL). There is a lot more you'd read up on in these forums but I'll leave that for your enjoyment.


I am in no way suggesting that your computer can't do everything you want it to do because obviously you don't want it to be able to do everything someone else might. That is not the point. I can point you to a ton of things that your system cannot do that I may want it to do or that the original poster may want for it to do (e.g. no mention of dual pvr capabilities).


I don't mean to suggest not to trust you, but simply put, your insistence that we should trust you imparts a sense of arrogance that somehow you have this HTPC thing sorted out simply by researching.


Feel free to critique what I have said, this means that I am

A) not wrong about the memory thing

B) did not insist it was a gaming rig, I said "belonging to a gamer and not a HTPC enthusiast, or at best a dual purpose rig"

C) provided my reasons for there to be almost no benefit in going RAID0 on some raptors versus the downside of heat and noise and possible risk of going down (which isn't as bad as it sounds since you can image your boot drive for quick recovery and reduce downtime hence increase WAF).

D) can point you to many threads where people are crying out for more CPU juice (do you know how powerful a Teranex scaler is? About 2000 times more powerful than the P4 Extreme Editions)


I'm sure there are many like yourself where quality isn't a main consideration and that is fine, but I'm pretty sure I got the vibe from the original poster that picture and sound quality are a high priority.


Cheers...

Duy-Khang Hoang
 

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i SAID there is no reason to get s754 because of the prices, but apparently YOU were not paying attention. yeah, the fact that a revision means there is a difference. you're thinking i want him to get a s754. im just saying theres nothing WRONG with a s754 as you believe there seems to be.


i said MY computer had all that stuff. look at the recommendations ONE MORE TIME. i suggested a CAVIAR if you didnt want to do the raid thing, but pretty much the raptor was the only thing you seemed to rag on the whole time.


okay, you konw what, im not going to even finish this back/forth crap where i analyze each sentence you say. original poster, just go believe everything this guy says. s754 cant do 2 sticks or even 4 without dropping to 333. despite benchmarks, youll get phenomenal performance increases with even just slight processor upgrades. buy a $600 card.
 

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I did not suggest you suggested to go with S754, you did originally suggest to go with Athlon 2800 and it is only available in S754 hence my reason to put in my 2c which I am well entitled to do so without resorting to asking the original poster to trust me, I have no inferiority complex and don't mind having to eat my words. I have a S754 if you wouldn't mind reading, as I said, there is (NOW) no good reason to go with 754 given the narrow price gap (when I bought mine there was a rather large gap, some $350 AUD). I did not rag on the raptor, don't know where you get that from, but have a think about this, the original poster wants to reduce the overall cost without sacrificing much, a raptor would be a sacrifice in my books, it costs more for the same capacity and has heat and noise issues as well, I think maybe if you read the intent then you would understand the reason for the counter argument (there are plenty of people using raptors in their HTPC, but we are talking about reducing overall cost here). To recommend something that is counter intuitive to the intent of the post (with little by way of justification for the added cost) then that is obviously what I would be pointing my efforts towards, your advice for the caviar is fine, as is any hard drive that is quiet and performs well. Where did I say your computer was your recommendation? I simply suggested that your machine was specced more for gaming or multipurpose, you ask why and I gave my reasons.


It's like asking a salesman what processor they should buy for their htpc, you say there is no point above 2000mhz, and they ask what you run in your htpc and you say 3000mhz they would ask why? Then you would say, cos I do other things with it as well. Hence my remark that our machine specs suggest gaming or multi purpose. I thought that was pretty obvious, apparently not.


I did not personally attack you, but you retort to my initial reply to your post with "i know what i'm talking about here" as if we don't. Did you not notice that my remark about not trusting you was done in jest, hence the smiley? The misinformation you spread regarding CPU power and video card power are in my books reason enough for me to post a response to push my case for the original poster to make a more conscious decision on whether it is necessary or not given the goal of high quality sound and video, I did not in any way suggest my recommendations are gospel truths, they are simply there as food for thought, if you perceived it differently, perhaps that might help explain why you were banned from the amd forums despite your knowledge in certain areas.


To the others in this post, my apologies I did not think it would escalate the way it did. To the moderators, feel free to delete any parts (or all) of my threads that may be in breach (in particular the last sentence of the previous paragraph).


Cheers...

Duy-Khang Hoang
 
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