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I know i'm lucky..but i want it all. LOL. And this is what happened when I tried:


Note I want WB/UPN so waiting for the HDdvr from Directv doesn't help me right now.


local installer ($60 per hour) that I hired to put the DB8 that I previously bought on the chimney won't be back in the office until Monday so I wanted my options before then. I had it in the attic but couldn't get in fox (uhf 42) because it was 2 degrees off. I figured if I got 75-90 in the attic on the other nets, (except 54), that on the chimney would be a good compromise to get in fox because in theory the signal is stronger outside right?


Well after much fiddling, we got it to where ch 42/54/64/67 were all pretty solid 60-70. Thing is, even when he was fiddling outside, i never got 64/67 to as good a signal as I had in the attic. I guess this was more of a big deal than I thought at the time. Does it sound reasonable that because the chimney was actually 6-8 ft away from the site in my attic, that it may be the reason I never got in a good signal outside? I'm assuming the antenna is perfectly plumb but of course I have no way of telling. He did seem to take great care when he did the chimney mount.


So overnight we had a very bad thunder storm. however this morning all the channels were the same as yesterday. Then this afternoon the winds and rains kicked up and the channels were all unwatchable during the storm (going from zero up to 70 wildly). Even now that it's calmed down, i can't get back in ch 67 but the others are relatively ok. I'm assuming this means the antenna moved. I didn't think up high on a 10 ft pole was very stable but he assured me it was rock solid. Obviously this isn't true.


So i have to think of my options and it's frustrating


1. tell him the antenna moved and make them somehow shore it up. I'd assume they would have to do this free/reduced cost since it obviously moved. However the problem I have this this option is even at the time of install, i only got low 70s for a high signal when inside i was getting 80s. So this may be foolish to try and solidify an antenna in this relatively poor position.


2. maybe lower the antenna on the 10ft pole down a few feet to make it more stable? Or is this pointless given my 'weak' signals of 60-70?


3. I'm assuming you can do a tripod mount on the peak of any roof. (didn't ask him but i'd assume they can do that). I could have him stand near the spot where I had the good signals inside and try to find a good signal and I'd assume they should be the same/stronger on the roof at that point. Then we can determine how ch 42 will come in at that point. I'd assume they would do this as they are the pros and i dont see how else you could tell a good signal. Also if they can't get in all 6 networks, I may as well put the antenna back inside away from the elements.


4. try to lower the antenna for more stability and just aim for channel 42 then put another antenna back in the attic and get another antenna (though I know it's a 2 week wait for a jointenna unless I can do something like a reverse splitter? Of course then there's the cost for another antenna plus 30 for the jointenna. And now i'm really paranoid about outside mounts not being stable.


5. ask them what antenna they have for my area (I know the like wineguard) and ask him to do a test of it on the chimney mount.



I already spent 200 on friday. I dont know how much more I want to put into this. I definitely have to have him back here, even if just to take the antenna down, as I dont climb on roofs. My gut says have him use a tripod and at least try to move the antenna to a point where the signal is at least as strong as inside and get the antenna as low to the roof as possible to minimize wind problems. I guess the 6 ft to the one side made a big difference.
 

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newsposter, have you tried a different antenna? Trying to get these digital channels is frustrating at times.
 

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newsposter, have you tried a different antenna? Trying to get these digital channels is frustrating at times.

no, i haven't tried one...but isn't that fact that i couldn't get high 80s signal on the chimney indicative of


1. he didn't have it level


2. the 6 ft difference inside and out made a big difference?



plus should the 10 ft have been guyed? He said it would be stable obviously something is wrong. Winds are calm now and still can't watch chn 67. Rest of channels came back to pre storm condition. Still 60-70 is a bad reading to start with. I think I need to do what I can to get the same 80s signal as I had inside, outside. Iv'e never heard of signal getting worse outside, did you?



must be the location...what do you think?
 

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Sounds like it could be the location. Bringing the antenna outside is beneficial, since the signals do not have to penetrate the structure of the house. Being level isn't the end-all be-all. You can still get signals, albeit at a lower level then you would if it were level. It's befuddling as to why you can't get channel 67.
 

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Sounds like it could be the location. Bringing the antenna outside is beneficial, since the signals do not have to penetrate the structure of the house. Being level isn't the end-all be-all. You can still get signals, albeit at a lower level then you would if it were level. It's befuddling as to why you can't get channel 67.

Well I think the 6 ft away it was moved (to the chimney) made a huge difference. I think I have to get him to aim it thru my invisible 'tunnel' next week and perhaps live with a tripod mount. Are they more stable anyway?



Funny you mention level Something happened with our storms this weekend to make this signal better:


todays signals are
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ch      power
26      91
32      91
42      71 (best EVER)
54       71 (best ever)
64        80-84
67      74-78 but looks pretty unstable
therefore, in theory, if he moves it 6 ft to the left (right above my previous attic mount) I may even get 100s out of this
I'm not sure i'd even want it guyed where it is now, since its at the edge of the roof i dont even know if it's possible.


I was stupid in not realizing at a minimum, he should have been able to aim at least one channel in the 80s out at the chimney(disregarding all others of course). Even with 360 rotation, he never got higher than perhaps 70s. Had i realized it was an issue, i would have saved myself the 200 bucks i'm about to 'lose' since i need a 2nd trip out here.


Have to wait for next week thought to see about moving it. He's booked solid because of the fierce winds.
 

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Anyone having issues receiving 6.1 tonight? I am getting almost no signal, but everything else is fine. I know a lot of you do not like attic installs, but I have been able to get everything (including 29.1 and 12.1) for quite a few days. I'd hate to go troubleshooting if it isn't my problem.


Thanks!
 

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Watching a little this evening, and I can see some break-ups. Nothing major from what I see. Everything is still watchable.
 

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Thanks newsman... I did a little tweaking and got 64 to come in at 89-93. I still get everything else in the 70's with very little movement up or down, but I've completely lost 55 (12.1). I guess its better to have everything locked in solid then to try and get 12 in. The PBS HD stuff is pretty nice, but the other channels are what matter to me more. Signal isn't too bad considering I am about 32 miles west of Philly with an attic install. Once the numbers get solidified, I may post them up.
 

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Does anyone know if WTXF-DT has any plans on increasing their power and/or antenna height? I'm almost 60 miles from the transmitters in Stafford Township, (Southern Ocean County, NJ) and I can get 90% of the Philadelphia channels except Digital Fox 29. Analog 29 comes in fine (of course).

Also, does anyone know why Southern Ocean County is deemed as a New York market? As I was growing up in the area, before cable tv, we always relied on Philadelphia channels. After cable came in, we received both but they only offer NY HD channels and I now have DirecTV which only offers NY as our market. Is there any way to partition the FCC to change our market?
 

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the fox 29 thing bugs a lot of us. I'm spending x$ trying to find a place on the roof to get everything in as we speak. If you are 60 miles out and getting everything good, you sure must have a great line of sight. I'm 40 miles out and have seen people on here 10 miles out and not get it.


countless emails to fox have yielded no results. I think we have to live with this forever it seems.
 

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I am 35 miles away and get everything very well. My standard advice is to go higher. I had trouble everywhere on my roof and then I went higher and everything was great... I also needed an amp...


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Higher works for most people. But don't rule out horizontal. A few feet make a huge difference horizontally for me.
 

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Remember, I am only 4 miles away from the towers, and CANNOT get WTXF-DT 29.1.
I get all the other stations at least in the mid to upper 80s.
 

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how far below sea level are you?
 

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I live 6 miles from the tower. I can get all of the digital channels in Philly except WTXF 29.1. The signal strength has been consistenly below 15.
 

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According to that list, WPVI-DT want's to go back to channel 6 after the change to all digital?

I think they dont have a choice based on what i've read since above 51 are gone. I'll be happy 17 goes to 17 because that should be a nice strong UHF signal even at the same power. Just wish I knew what 10 was doing. I guess go back to 10? I'd love a lower uhf because with my DB8 im not sure that it will get vhf so well.
 

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Tiny update on my DB8 antenna saga for anyone following along. After the guy trying every foot or so on the length of my roof, and even a higher roof, I settled on the original spot over the place in the attic where i got great numbers. I'm definitely shooting between a house and an unseen object in the distance. The installer was pretty flabbergasted how just a foot made a huge difference.


So now that I was 6ft away from the chimney, using a tripod and 5 ft pole instead of a 10ft on the chimney, I'm pretty confident the high winds wont bug this mount again. CH 64/67 are in the 80s. Ch42 is a solid 71. Wb 54 is a somewhat solid 68. Of course cbs/upn are 90 since they are in the lower UHF.


In my case, higher wasn't always better. A foot horizontally made the difference between 10-15 on the signal meter. I spend 400 in labor etc getting it this far so hope they kill ch 54 and move the programs down to 32. Then I'd be set. Or if they even put CW on directv I'd be ok if the signal was as good as OTA (not likely though)
 
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