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Phillip Swann rants about poor Fox HD quality

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His article is here . For copyright reasons I won't post the whole article (he can do that himself if he wants to.) Here is the part I found of interest:


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However, thus far, Fox's HDTV coverage has been inconsistent, often looking worse than its Enhanced Definition broadcasts of previous years. For instance, during last night's playoff game between the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox, the picture was sometimes fuzzier than the face of a Red Sox outfielder.


(The earlier game between the St. Louis Cardinals and Houston Astros was even worse; it didn't even look like HDTV, although the Fox announcers kept saying it was in high-def.)


I've noticed the same problem during Fox's NFL high-def broadcasts. Some HDTV games look great while others look terrible.
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IMHO, the Fox HD baseball broadcasts have been the worst HD I have ever seen. Most of their NFL games look good to very good but none as good as the best CBS is doing. However, they are way better than the Fox HD baseball.
Phillip says that about the hd sports presentations on Fox but what he says also should apply to the primetime shows on Fox b/c from what I have seen his comments to apply to the primetime shows. North Shores looks like Enhanced Def and The B Mack show just looked redder than it did before. I wonder how the O.C. and Arrested Dev will look next month? Hopefully not as bad as the shows mentioned above.
I'll agree that some cameras the baseball games haven't looked HD, but the other ones look great. I don't find it enough of a reason to rant.
Another much-ado-about-nothing issue.


99% of any HD PQ issues during the ALCS and NLCS have revolved around the non-HD camera use (yes, there were some mixed in with the majority of HD cameras), as well as those stupid, ugly images from the "in the dirt" home plate cameras - what a lame idea that was - I say bury them for good and forget 'em.
I'd have to agree with him and say the NL series does not look as good as other HD I've seen (not even close). The AL series looked a bit better, but, overall, not very inspiring. And I'm not just referring to the sd camera shots, but the hd as well.


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I am glad that this is getting some publication because there are certainly people that are satisfied with the low resolution HD that Fox provides for NFL and Playoff Baseball Games.


It is a disgrace that they are calling it HD when it is not. Even the HD cameras are not even close to what you expect from HD resolution. So if Fox is listening you are doing a great thing to show these games in a resolution better than SD, but please do not call it HD when it is not HD. Call it right (Enhanced Definition) or get your act together. By the way, get rid of the diamond camera. It is ugly; it does not show anything that I could not see in your enhanced definition and it just come to show how lame your whole presentation is.
Oh its been bad and not even including those dumb diamond cam shots which I really don't count as a reason Fox HD has been bad overall. I don't want to to offend anyone but I have to say it if someone thinks this is good looking HD overall you need to watch more HD.
Someone needs to hit a chopper that breaks one of those cameras
Can we also get rid of the full width top banner while we are at it?
Sure, the PQ isn't as good as it could be, BUT...


...what bothers me are the glitches that occur FAR to often. Most have been picture glitches, but lately, it's been in the audio. Every time they switch to the pitch shot (when the pitcher is winding up and actually throwing the ball) there is an audio glitch about a second after the camera change. I think the audio plays a half second twice. One time, I even heard the ball hit the catchers mit twice. Pow Pow!!! It was freaky.


Also, have the Cards/Astros games been in 5.1? I haven't been getting output to the rear channels. However, I know it's not a local issue. I was getting true 5.1 for the Yanks/Sox games.


Most importantly, I absolutely HATE the chroma keyed advertisement behind the batters box. :mad: Obviously, PVRs are becoming more appearent. Thus the need to advertise during the event. But this one is down-right distracting. It glitches and doesn't track correctly with the camera. I also don't need to see the AOL icon dude throwing a ball to fill the screen as a transition between live action and an instant replay. It's all a VERY deciteful way of advertising to us. I understand people need to make money, but advertisers are doing nothing but making EVERYTHING worse.


You can't drive down a freeway without being bombarded with littered signs/advertisments. To many XXX Adult "Bookstore" and "gentlemen" club signs. I shouldn't have to wory about my kids looking at those kinds of signs. It's filth. Same thing with TV. Beer commercials that push the limits of nudity and advertising everywhere. You can't even watch a football game without going to commercial between, what seems like, each and every play. I can't stand watching football anymore.


Can you tell I need a PVR? Honestly, I think PVRs are going to ruin television as we know it. More "in-show" advertisement. Product placement. Etc. I can already see it happening. Perhaps that's why HBO keeps getting better and better. No commercials. And, although there is product placement going on, I think it's to a minimum as compared to standard Network TV.


Anyway, sorry about the rant, back to the subject at hand...
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Definately issues abound but my biggest one was the picture frames jumping. That just messed with my eyeballs. All good and then the frame was split 3 ways for a second then normal then back again. It's like an HD TV seizure. That to me is inexcusable.
And that delay audio/picture glitch was happening in multiple games which is just plain bad, yes worse in some games than others but kept going on. And that full length bar on top is something they could easily make less distracting they really don't need it up there the whole game just awful.
There are some bugs to work out for sure, but I'm extremely happy with the Fox HD coverage of baseball so far.
The frame jumping and audio back-tracking was really annoying.

The buried camera is a gimmick, no doubt about it. I wouldn't expect good PQ from that one. It wasn't adding much to the show but it didn't bug me. I don't have a problem with the Chroma-Key signs behind the batters. I DO wish they were consistent though. It's weird to see it only in that one camera.

The games from Fenway had some REALLY bad cameras. I sure hope they get that fixed before Saturday.

It's been put forth that the triax cables might be the problem with those cameras but I doubt that is the case. It's possible for sure but, in my building, the networks don't hesitate to pull temporary cables to their cameras for big events. I'm sure there could be issues getting to those camera areas or whatever because Fenway isn't a spring chicken as ball parks go but there was certainly adequate time to find and fix cable problems before and during the series. The baseball season is LONG!

If it WAS the camera, they certainly could have gotten a new one in place between games. I've seen these guys sending runners off to the airport to fetch a shipment from the belly of a Delta jet on several occasions. There are certainly enough cameras in the world to get one to Boston tomorrow if you want to.


Thanks to FOX for broadcasting a (mostly) great looking series.
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I can't believe the criticism here. Fox is new to HD. Let their cameramen and engineers in the trucks get used to all of the equipment and different lighting and it will get better. To be honest I see macroblocking on CBS's games and some softness in ABC/ESPN's games as well. And I am sure we can say that for practically every live event done in HD.
i just get the feeling fox is pulling a cheap one on us somehow

like yeh, they're doing alot of hd but is it really hd? and is the equipment garbage? tonights game looked horrible, so horrible my friend who doesn't know jack about hd or sd said "why is the grass swimming and the picture so horrible, i'd never buy an hdtv". i quickly changed it to discovery hd and he changed his mind
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i just get the feeling fox is pulling a cheap one on us somehow

like yeh, they're doing alot of hd but is it really hd?
Be careful the message you are sending. Network people and others in FOX Corp lurk AVSForum. With all the FOX bashing for NOT doing HD, they then do it and they get bashed for doing it, it is saying, we really don't care if you have HD or not, you can't please us either way. There is no guarantee that ANY network will continue with HD. Just remember that.


Also remember that FOX has done more HD sports programming since September 12th than CBS/NBC/ABC combined has in the last 3 years. It has been a huge jump in a short period of time with hardly any time to recover from a problem before they are head long into another one, something the other networks have not been willing to do. No network has had it problem free, even now and the networks are still spending big dollars to produce these events for less than 4% of the viewing audience to see.


Everyone needs to lighten up on all the networks just a little. To the uninformed SD viewer looking into HD here, to read many of these threads lately, HD is starting to turn into a snob society. After reading Mr Swann's article, he seems to be the ring leader. That is bad for the transition.
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Be careful the message you are sending. Network people and others in FOX Corp lurk AVSForum. With all the FOX bashing for NOT doing HD, they then do it and they get bashed for doing it, it is saying, we really don't care if you have HD or not, you can't please us either way. There is no guarantee that ANY network will continue with HD. Just remember that.
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Ken, I haven't read all the comments, but I'm a bit annoyed the way FOX is claiming they have HDTV in the best format available. No crap... only because of us who complained... they had no plans of going true HDTV. You have to thank the complainers too.
The complainers had LESS of an effect than you can ever know.
So, which is it?
Great way to run a business!


If I had this attitude I would be fired or out of business!


The customers always right my friend.



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Be careful the message you are sending. Network people and others in FOX Corp lurk AVSForum. With all the FOX bashing for NOT doing HD, they then do it and they get bashed for doing it, it is saying, we really don't care if you have HD or not, you can't please us either way. There is no guarantee that ANY network will continue with HD. Just remember that.


Also remember that FOX has done more HD sports programming since September 12th than CBS/NBC/ABC combined has in the last 3 years. It has been a huge jump in a short period of time with hardly any time to recover from a problem before they are head long into another one, something the other networks have not been willing to do. No network has had it problem free, even now and the networks are still spending big dollars to produce these events for less than 4% of the viewing audience to see.


Everyone needs to lighten up on all the networks just a little. To the uninformed SD viewer looking into HD here, to read many of these threads lately, HD is starting to turn into a snob society. After reading Mr Swann's article, he seems to be the ring leader. That is bad for the transition.
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