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I found the phony "lens flare" and "internally-

reflected-image-of-hexagonal-iris" effects in

the Fiona's-sundown-xformation-in-wedding-chapel

scene (near the end of Shrek) very amusing when

I watched the DVD.


The movie is all CGI, but to make it look more

realistic(!) they faked a film-camera flaw!


Do you think this convention will endure forever?

Or will advancing technology eventually eliminate

lens flare and so-forth from live action movies

as well as CGI educating people to think that

stuff looks more realistic when it actually looks

more realistic? After all, we don't think that

super-bold (cartoonish?) theatrical makeup looks

"realistic" in movies any more, though people

liked that years ago when it was practically

mandated by the capabilities of early film stocks.


This reminds me of the story of Johnson & Johnson

"First Aid Cream" (an antiseptic emollient for

cuts and scrapes). The active ingredients are

painless. The product sold well when it first

shipped, but then sales fell off--people weren't

buying refills. J&J finally figured out why:

people thought antiseptics had to sting to work!

J&J added some alcohol to the product so it would

hurt a little going on, and sales rebounded.
 

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Originally posted by Rice Rocket


Actually, that's a lens flaw--you'll see it whether it's a film or digital camera.
Cameras, what cameras? :D You are kidding right? I have seen this fake effect used in A Bugs Life and Toy Story.
 

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Cameras, what cameras? :D You are kidding right? I have seen this fake effect used in A Bugs Life and Toy Story.
It's bizzare, but every 3D animation system has this as an option. And if one didn't have it, other companies soon offered it as a plug-in or aftermarket process. It's breathtakingly stupid, but clients love it. Here's something that real photographers have been trying to eliminare for years, and computer animators are paying extra to get. Somethese packages let you select how many elements the lens has. the number of blades in the shutter, etc.


This is just part of the whole romantic attachment to the way things have been done in the past. 24 frame per second HD (bleagh!), adding camera shake and film grain, and so on.
 

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I thought it was rather cool. It added a feeling of depth over and above what the great animation had otherwise accomplished. Many of these" flaws" have become so much a part of our expectation that without them it begins to look too sterile. Like sound when a spaceship goes by ; we need the sound to feel like we get it all!
 

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Cameras, what cameras?
Dudes--I was saying lens flare is not unique to film cameras, but to all cameras that use a lens; film or otherwise. I was not saying that a lens caused that effect in Shrek, because we all know that Shrek was completely computer generated imagery. :cool: It is an effect that happens when using a compound lens, and they have to fake the real effect on a computer generated image.


Like anything else, it can be used for artistic reasons. I for one, like the lens flare effect whether it's real or computer generated. Although one could start an endless argument with photographers as to how much flare is too much or not enough!


Art is in the eye of the beholder...
 

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if you love lens flare effects, you MUST play SERIOUS SAM!


in case you live in a cave - SERIOUS SAM is a PC game written by a bunch of brilliant, fun-loving Craotians. (i am not making this up.) ;)


if you also liked the Mummy movies, order a copy of SS today. trust me!


PS: soming extra cool about using software from Zagreb...



see croteam.com for more (and a free demo download)
 

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Add Monsters, Inc. to that list. You can see it near the beginning just before Mike and Sulley head to work.
 

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...phony lens flare in Mummy CGI sequence...


Wow. I saw that movie in theatre but didn't

take note of the effect. Using that effect

in an all-CGI movie like Shrek is a kind of

affectation. In a movie like The Mummy with

a lot of conventionally-photographed live-

action, one could argue it's just an attempt

to blend-in the CGI stuff more smoothly. Of,

course, foolish me, I might rather use CGI to

"erase" the lens-flare from conventional stuff!
 

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It was mentioned in the SW:TPM commentary that most of the lens flares were faked. They even distorted them further to make them appear to come from an anamorphic lens.

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Final Fantasy has lens flare too.


I think it has to do with imperfections adding to realism, like adding small blemishes to CGI surfaces.


It's like when you build a model tank, you don't try to make it look brand new, but put scratches, mud, discolorations and whatnot.
 
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