AVS Forum banner
Cancel
  • Get an exclusive sneak peek into our new project. >>> Click Here

Pioneer 4360HD Review on CNet

1497 Views 19 Replies 8 Participants Last post by  Woodrow, 
R
The review was posted several days ago but I haven't seen anything about it here yet. Couldn't find it in a search either, sorry if I missed it...
reviews.cnet.com/Pioneer_PDP_4360HD


EDIT>>


mod note: CNet link showed pricing. Was removed, thanks
Save
Like
Status
Not open for further replies.
1 - 20 of 20 Posts
R
Is this old news or did it get lost in the shuffle?
Save
Like
O
Eh, it must be the "Holidays..." :rolleyes:
Save
Like
T
One thing I like about CNet is that they don't have rediculously inflated scores for the products they review. A 5 is actually average. An 8, like the Pioneer got, shows an exceptional product.
Save
Like
L
Let me get this straight....CNET uses the 8UK as the reference model for plasmas (editors choice), but it scores a 7.8 compared to the Pioneer's 8.0 despite having more noise in dark scenes and improved black levels but not as black as Panny's. Perhaps the higher score is for features? The review basically says Panny has the better PQ.
Save
Like
P
The review says that the black levels are slightly better on the Panasonic 8UK. 95+% of the buyers of plasma tv's don't want an industrial model. This means having to buy a tuner, speakers and other extras separately. You give up very little with the 4360- it's an awesome plasma tv.


The media center alone makes the 4360 a better set up. All the wires hanging off the tv isn't as good of a set up. The other problem with the Panny's is that if you mount it on the wall it makes it difficult to get to all the connections. Panny's have a great picture, but it's not better than the Pioneer pictures.


RicheyPoor, don't let the some of the propeller wearing video geeks in here intimidate you. Go for the Pioneer and do some research, you can find it for a good price.
Save
Like
L
Quote:
Originally Posted by plasmalvr
The review says that the black levels are slightly better on the Panasonic 8UK. 95+% of the buyers of plasma tv's don't want an industrial model. This means having to buy a tuner, speakers and other extras separately. You give up very little with the 4360- it's an awesome plasma tv.


The media center alone makes the 4360 a better set up. All the wires hanging off the tv isn't as good of a set up. The other problem with the Panny's is that if you mount it on the wall it makes it difficult to get to all the connections. Panny's have a great picture, but it's not better than the Pioneer pictures.


RicheyPoor, don't let the some of the propeller wearing video geeks in here intimidate you. Go for the Pioneer and do some research, you can find it for a good price.
Good price? I can get the Panny 8UK for $2000 less than the Pioneer. I don't need a tuner, i have an external surround system, and because i would connect my PC i don't even need an extra blade, maybe down the road. I agree, the Pioneer is an awesome plasma, but so is the Panny. I do think the Pioneer should be more expensive based on features, but not when the 43" costs more than a 50" Panny, Toshiba, or Hitachi.
See less See more
Save
Like
O
Isn't Pioneer getting out of the plasma TV business? Look for Pioneer to start producing "stripped" down FPs to be competitive with Panasonic.
Save
Like
O
Oh my. Panasonic Self Defense System activated! :rolleyes:

Quote:
Good price? I can get the Panny 8UK for $2000 less than the Pioneer.
Really? Can you please show me where I can grab a 8UK for $$$-$$$? I'm looking at the referenced CNET link right now and the Pio is available for $$$-$$$.


With such complete lack of objectivity I don't see any sense in debating the obvious advantages of the Pioneer. Black levels were the only Panny edge and thats pretty much gone now...oh well.


overtime


EDIT>>


mod note: no price talk, please. MSRP only, thanks
See less See more
Save
Like
R
Quote:
Originally Posted by overtime
Oh my. Panasonic Self Defense System activated! :rolleyes:




Really? Can you please show me where I can grab a 8UK for $$$-$$$? I'm looking at the referenced CNET link right now and the Pio is available for $$$-$$$.


With such complete lack of objectivity I don't see any sense in debating the obvious advantages of the Pioneer. Black levels were the only Panny edge and thats pretty much gone now...oh well.


overtime
Oh my. Pioneer Self Defense System activated! ;)


The simple fact is that they do rate the Panny higher in performance because of it's better black levels and less noise. The only reason the Pio scores higher overall is because their rating system only weighs actual performance as 40% of the total score. As "non-flashy", comes-stripped-down/pick-your-preferred-options commercial models, the 8UK's scored lower in both design and feature set as expected.



ron
See less See more
Save
Like
O
Quote:
The simple fact is that they do rate the Panny higher in performance because of it's better black levels and less noise.
Where do they say the panasonic has less noise? First of all, I don't even see a review of the 42" 8UK (1" less than the Pio which is of some value no?) but if I take a gander at the 50" review it specifically says:


" the TH-50PHD8UK does reproduce some video noise in near-black areas, which appears as minute greenish or reddish specks".


In fact, there is no comparison made of the noise levels at all. How about that floating black level and the lack of shadow detail? :eek: Thats a worse transgression than even the higher black levels of previous gen Pios. Shadow detail > black level.


My joke about the "Panasonic Self Defense System" was merely made because the OP didn't reference the Panny at all and yet the panabots had to come in and criticize the review. Oh well.


If you are budget minded and don't want the extra features then the Panasonic is a tremendous option but the Pioneer is an all-round better set this generation but you do pay for that.


overtime
See less See more
Save
Like
Woodrow
Quote:
Originally Posted by overtime
Oh my. Panasonic Self Defense System activated! :rolleyes:




Really? Can you please show me where I can grab a 8UK for $$$-$$$? I'm looking at the referenced CNET link right now and the Pio is available for $$$-$$$.


With such complete lack of objectivity I don't see any sense in debating the obvious advantages of the Pioneer. Black levels were the only Panny edge and thats pretty much gone now...oh well.


overtime


EDIT>>


mod note: no price talk, please. MSRP only, thanks
What you are asking for is against forum rules. Links to anything showing other than MSRP are forbidden.


See my edit of your post, thanks.
See less See more
Save
Like
R
Quote:
Originally Posted by plasmalvr
...RicheyPoor, don't let the some of the propeller wearing video geeks in here intimidate you. Go for the Pioneer and do some research, you can find it for a good price.
Actually I purchased my Panasonic over two months ago as based on my needs and preferences it was the set for me. However, I have nothing against the Pioneer plasmas or the people that prefer them. :) Peace brother...
Save
Like
O
Sorry...what I was 'asking for' was purely rhetorical because no such pricing exists. Since the original person making the claim said...


"Good price? I can get the Panny 8UK for $2000 less than the Pioneer."


...and it was not edited I'm going to go ahead and clarify this blatant falsehood by saying the difference in MSRP is $1500 but that retail pricing from legitimate vendors narrows the gap considerably.


overtime
Save
Like
R
Quote:
Originally Posted by overtime
In fact, there is no comparison made of the noise levels at all. How about that floating black level and the lack of shadow detail? :eek: Thats a worse transgression than even the higher black levels of previous gen Pios. Shadow detail > black level.

Well everything is relative and apparently CNet didn't think the shortcomings of the panny PQ were as significant as those of the pio since they gave the panny the higher rating on performance, yes? :).


My joke about the "Panasonic Self Defense System" was merely made because the OP didn't reference the Panny at all and yet the panabots had to come in and criticize the review. Oh well.

And if you notice, unlike you with your exasperated rolling eyes icon, I put the winky after my comment to show that it was just a friendly dig. The fact is, I personally own neither a panny nor pio, and happen to think CNet reviews are not worth a whole lot in general... But I do find it rather amusing watching the different brand factions get all heated under the collar and duking it out though :D


ron
See less See more
Save
Like
Woodrow
Quote:
Originally Posted by overtime
Sorry...what I was 'asking for' was purely rhetorical because no such pricing exists. Since the original person making the claim said...


"Good price? I can get the Panny 8UK for $2000 less than the Pioneer."


...and it was not edited I'm going to go ahead and clarify this blatant falsehood by saying the difference in MSRP is $1500 but that retail pricing from legitimate vendors narrows the gap considerably.


overtime
You clearly POSTED the NON-MSRP price availability of the pio(see your quote below). I don't have the time to verify what pricing does and does not exist for the panny. Had you not posted a pricing violation(pio), it might have been a different story. As it stands, the original Cnet link has also been removed.


Quote:
Originally Posted by overtime
Really? Can you please show me where I can grab a 8UK for $$$-$$$? I'm looking at the referenced CNET link right now and the Pio is available for $$$-$$$.
Anymore pricing violations and this thread will be closed.


Thanks
See less See more
Save
Like
O
Quote:
And if you notice, unlike you with your exasperated rolling eyes icon, I put the winky after my comment to show that it was just a friendly dig.
Hey...it was an exasperated, friendly dig. :)

Quote:
happen to think CNet reviews are not worth a whole lot in general...
I'll certainly agree with you there. If I did I wouldn't have opted for the last gen Pio over the 7UY after extensive research and testing in a controlled environment...only to have semi-ignorant fanboys through cnet reviews in my face LOL.

Quote:
You clearly POSTED the NON-MSRP price availability of the pio(see your quote below).
I never said I didn't. I'm clear now - Blatant falsehoods OK, street pricing not OK ;). Actually, I responded in a rush and it didn't cross my mind that I was posting prices. I'll be more careful next time.


overtime
See less See more
Save
Like
Woodrow
Quote:
Originally Posted by overtime
Actually, I responded in a rush and it didn't cross my mind that I was posting prices. I'll be more careful next time.

overtime
That's all I'm asking.:)


It's appreciated.:)
Save
Like
R
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodrow
...As it stands, the original Cnet link has also been removed.
I can't believe you removed my link to a legitimate review because the reviewer (CNET) happened to have some advertising on the page border with prices that may not have been MSRP. I think it's obvious that the intent of my post was not to point to the pricing but to make it easier for interested forum members to locate the review. In my opinion your pulling of the link was heavy-handed and rather insulting to the membership as it implies that we must be all protected from seeing any pricing other than MSRP. I do agree with the forums policy of no pricing talk but it's clear that's not what was happening here. Lighten up!
Save
Like
Woodrow
Quote:
Originally Posted by RicheyPoor
I can't believe you removed my link to a legitimate review because the reviewer (CNET) happened to have some advertising on the page border with prices that may not have been MSRP. I think it's obvious that the intent of my post was not to point to the pricing but to make it easier for interested forum members to locate the review. In my opinion your pulling of the link was heavy-handed and rather insulting to the membership as it implies that we must be all protected from seeing any pricing other than MSRP. I do agree with the forums policy of no pricing talk but it's clear that's not what was happening here. Lighten up!
And you don't think the link provoking a member to start quoting prices from it makes any difference?


How long did I leave the link in place before I removed it?


Thanks
Save
Like
1 - 20 of 20 Posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
AVS Forum
A forum community dedicated to home theater owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about home audio/video, TVs, projectors, screens, receivers, speakers, projects, DIY’s, product reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more!
Full Forum Listing
Explore Our Forums
Receivers, Amps, and Processors LCD Flat Panel Displays Speakers HDTV Programming Home Theater Computers
Top