[Decelerate]

Well, The prices for both of these units seem to be the same. I have heard from several people that the elite pioneer is the ferrari of plasma tvs. I know that the 6020 is not the elite model, but is it too the ferrari of plasmas. My dilemma here is whether or not I should opt for the 65 and compromise picture quality or opt for the 65 because it has the same picture quality of the pioneer. Btw, I will most likely not dish out the extra 400 bucks to get the tv "professionally" calibrated. I was just hoping some people could chime in and steer more towards the better option.

thanks in advance

 

[Rebel78]

Basically it's PQ vs Size. It comes down to what's important to you.


My personal preference is size, as long as the PQ is good, which the Panny is. "There's no replacement for displacement."

 

[Rick46]

Picture quality will not be that noticeable unless your in a bat cave. Read the latest 54v review from the HDGuru- he rates it outstanding and it is a great read.


Size does matter and Panasonic is still in the picture business- Pioneer has exited.

 

[ll Viper ll]



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Originally Posted by Rick46 /forum/post/16890896


Picture quality will not be that noticeable unless your in a bat cave. Read the latest 54v review from the HDGuru- he rates it outstanding and it is a great read.


Size does matter and Panasonic is still in the picture business- Pioneer has exited.

^?


If you listened to HDGuru, you'd be buying a new tv every time he reviewed one...because he's pretty much enamored with whatever is the lastest and greatest.


That guy is a joke compared to real professionals and I wouldn't put much stock in anything he writes.


That being said, the V10 is still an excellent choice, and 5 inches at that size is a considerable jump in screen area. Still though, I think you should do some more research before committing to either of them.


Pioneer's own 600M is BY FAR the best price to performance ratio of any tv on the market, and this is coming from a 5020 owner. Do yourself a favor and check out the Pio comparison thread if you haven't already.

 

[Decelerate]

Hey guys thanks for the replies.

I have been researching these plasmas for weeks so I guess it is time to ultimately pull the trigger. it looks like the picture size differential is much more substantial than that of the picture quality. Now i guess it is time to wait and see when one of these panasonics can actually be purchased.

thanks

 

[D-Nice]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick46 /forum/post/16890896


Picture quality will not be that noticeable unless your in a bat cave..

Thll that to those who had the opportunity to see and v10 next to a 500M... fully calibrated in multiple lighting conditions last month.

 

[Decelerate]

Man, the more research I do into the 6020 and 600m the more confused i get. I just can't make up my mind here at all!!! ughh. This tv is going to only be used at night so the deep blacks of the pioneer are noteworthy, but at the same time I am sitting around 13ft back so I am afraid the 60in tv might look small (I have a 65 tube right now)... It seems I am plagued with paralysis by analysis

 

[saprano]

Why are you sitting that far back from the TV? thats to far. i have a elite 60" and i sit 8 feet back.

 

[mercury]

My thoughts. unless your doing a side by side watch you'll not no any difference.


iv owned a Vizio 50, mag?? 50" and now a panny 50". not side by side and they all kicked azz.


im waiting on that 65" panny.

 

[RandyWalters]



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Originally Posted by mercury /forum/post/16891421


My thoughts. unless your doing a side by side watch you'll not [notice] any difference.

I have to disagree - i don't need to do a side-by-side to see the Kuro's superiority. I've spent some quality time with my buddy's Kuro (i even set it up for him) and all my familiar SD and HD channels look better at his house then they do on my G10 at my house. A V10 would only be slightly better than my G10 if at all and i'm confident that the Kuro still looks better. Considerably better actually - it looks more natural and has better colors, blacks, processing, and more depth. I love my G10 but it i do get some remorse when i get home from his house.

 

[Decelerate]

Ok one more question for you guys. Would you say that the kuro 6020fd still outperforms the panny 65v10 when both are not calibrated? and does 200 bucks for calibration make a difference in pq?

thanks

 

[Cleveland Plasma]

Quality VS Quantiny as always

Both are excellent sets. The Pioneer has the better over all picture quality but the Panasonic is [17.6% larger].


65 inch 16:9 Set 60 inch 16:9 Set

4:3 (1.33:1) NTSC mode [17.6% larger] 4:3 (1.33:1) NTSC mode

Your viewing area is 42.5 in(w) x 31.9 in(h)

Total viewing area is 1355.75 sq in.

This is the equivalent of a 53.1 inch 4:3 TV

Your viewing area is 39.2 in(w) x 29.4 in(h)

Total viewing area is 1152.48 sq in.

This is the equivalent of a 49.0 inch 4:3 TV


16:9 (1.78:1) native mode [17.6% larger] 16:9 (1.78:1) native mode

Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 31.9 in(h)

Total viewing area is 1808.73 sq in.

This utilizes the full display of the 16:9 TV

Your viewing area is 52.3 in(w) x 29.4 in(h)

Total viewing area is 1537.62 sq in.

This utilizes the full display of the 16:9 TV


16:9 (1.85:1) letterbox mode [17.2% larger] 16:9 (1.85:1) letterbox mode

Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 30.6 in(h)

The diagonal size is 64.4 in

Total viewing area is 1735.02 sq in.

Total area is 73.7 sq in. (4.1%) smaller than 1.78:1

Your viewing area is 52.3 in(w) x 28.3 in(h)

The diagonal size is 59.5 in

Total viewing area is 1480.09 sq in.

Total area is 57.5 sq in. (3.7%) smaller than 1.78:1


16:9 (2.35:1) letterbox mode [17.2% larger] 16:9 (2.35:1) letterbox mode

Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 24.1 in(h)

The diagonal size is 61.6 in

Total viewing area is 1366.47 sq in.

Total area is 442.3 sq in. (24.5%) smaller than 1.78:1

Your viewing area is 52.3 in(w) x 22.3 in(h)

The diagonal size is 56.9 in

Total viewing area is 1166.29 sq in.

Total area is 371.3 sq in. (24.1%) smaller than 1.78:1

 

[QZ1]



Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyWalters /forum/post/16891543


A V10 would only be slightly better than my G10 if at all

That is not what I have been reading from those that have seen both side by side. They are saying the V10 is clearly somewhat better. It is difficult to quantify the difference without seeing them, of course.

 

[ll Viper ll]



Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Nice /forum/post/16891037


Thll that to those who had the opportunity to see and v10 next to a 500M... fully calibrated in multiple lighting conditions last month.

^This


I don't know about you guys, but I tend to trust the large number of enthusiasts/professionals that saw all of these tvs fully calibrated under ideal conditions. Even if the V10 is significantly better than the G10 in some respects, neither have been able to match the superior tech of the 9gs--in particular the 500M or signature series monitors which have slightly deeper blacks than the rest of the lineup, elite or otherwise.


That brings me back to the original suggestion I had to the OP. Get the 600M! The 6020, not being an elite, can only be brought so close to perfect because of its gimped picture controls...that is without a full calibration. I had D-Nice calibrate my 5020 a couple months back and the improvement was significant to say the least. He even calibrated 2 pictures modes for me so I could have some options with the purecinema modes (read a bunch more about that if interested in the owner's threads).


A good calibrator will probably charge around $300, or at least that's what I've come to expect. While the 6020 is arguably better than the V10 out of the box, calibration brings it to near elite image quality and I definetely think it's worth the investment. However, the 600M, which is a monitor only (not that big of a deal these days), can come much closer to the ideal without calibration. That and it happens to have the deepest blacks of any tv on the market. Well, tied at least.


Oh! I almost forgot, it's also way cheaper than the 6020! Or the 65V10 for that matter I think. You could get the V10 and have a bit bigger screen...but then you'd probably regret not having the superior PQ of the Kuros. If you still can't decide, you should try and see both after calibration in order to get a better idea of what you're buying.


Hope you find what you're looking for

 

[Decelerate]

you guys all bring up good points. I neglected to mention that the tv will be going into a pre-existing built in cabinet (62in wide by 63in high). With that said, the panny will have to stick out, and the pioneer with fit in with space to go around. I bring this up because I am concerned about possible overheating. I know plasmas dissipate most of the heat off the front but could this tight space result in overheating for the panny?

I am liking the idea of the 600m as well. My only concern with the 600m is that it does not come with a tabletop stand, and I have no idea where to buy one or if there are any left on the market.

for some reason I was thinking that the 6020 trumps the 600m with regard to pq. I am starting to think that a pioneer will be a better fit more space and that might ultimately be the deciding factor.

Once again, thanks a lot for all the help.

Oh yeah I almost forgot to ask.. If i am planning to calibrate the pioneer do I have to still follow the 150hr break in procedure?

 

[En Sabur Nur]

To the OP: See both of them for yourself, then make up your own mind.

 

[Rebel78]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma /forum/post/16892830


Quality VS Quantiny as always

Both are excellent sets. The Pioneer has the better over all picture quality but the Panasonic is [17.6% larger].

Thanks for that breakdown. Makes me even more disappointed there will be no 10G Pioneers. I think the chances of a 65" Kuro where pretty high with them changing panels............but oh well. They'll have a huge OLED one day. The 65" V10 will have to do

Quote:
Originally Posted by En Sabur Nur /forum/post/16894816


To the OP: See both of them for yourself, then make up your own mind.

Yep, that the only way for someone to decide.

 

[speedking]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Decelerate /forum/post/16890287


Well, The prices for both of these units seem to be the same. I have heard from several people that the elite pioneer is the ferrari of plasma tvs. I know that the 6020 is not the elite model, but is it too the ferrari of plasmas. My dilemma here is whether or not I should opt for the 65 and compromise picture quality or opt for the 65 because it has the same picture quality of the pioneer. Btw, I will most likely not dish out the extra 400 bucks to get the tv "professionally" calibrated. I was just hoping some people could chime in and steer more towards the better option.

thanks in advance

I'm a big fan of the Pioneer displays, but there is a noticeable difference in the 6020 vs a 600M or even a 151. You get good black levels on a 6020, but not the same type of overall PQ as the elites or monitors. My advice would be either get a 600M or get the 65V10.

 

[mjrgamer]

I would hold out and get the 85 inch plasma from Panny, I just hope it has a Pioneer quality picture. j/k I would go for Pioneer at every chance but if your area can fit a bigger size, go for it. I myself am a PQ nut so I would choose that first and then get the biggest size with the best PQ. If you get your set calibrated you had better get the Pioneer because it will blow everything else away.

 

[Decelerate]

I think i am leaning heavily towards the 600m. Does anyone know where I can buy a tabletop stand for the 600m?