[kannabis]

I am ready to purchase a plasma set. I currently have a 56"DLP but don't like how it displays dark movie scenes (looks reddish)

I am looking to either get the pioneer 6070 or 5070. I havent been able to find any posts comparing both displays or showing any posters showing pics of the 6070, why is that ? Is there a differnce in PQ ? Also, the seeing that the PIO 6070 is 768P not 1080P does it make a difference if I am sitting 13ft from the tv ? please help, i'm really confused

 

[Kr8z1]

They are exactly the same except for size.

 

[Kr8z1]

Here are pics of Pioneer plasmas, including the 5070 and 6070...
Pics of your Pioneer setup?

 

[dssturbo1]

you cannot resolve the 1080p at that distance on a 60" display. for a great pic and good pricing call one of the forum sponsors like Roman or Matt at Invision and get the 6070 now, or wait till september and get the new 8G models that will have the deeper blacks and higher contrast. the new 60" models will be 1080p only and start at $6500 msrp, $7500 for the 60" elite.

 

[ZippyBongHits]

Simply put, get the 60". That extra 4" will put the "FUN" factor back into your movies. You actually gain ALOT of picture in just 4" diagonal.

.................we should get together sometime.

 

[Options2000]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Kr8z1 /forum/post/0


Here are pics of Pioneer plasmas, including the 5070 and 6070...
Pics of your Pioneer setup?

It appears that the speakers are side mounted in the attached pictures. I just received my new 5070 and there is a single speaker that is supposed to mount at the bottom....what gives?


Thanks.

Options

 

[Kr8z1]

Those aren't ALL 5070's and 6070's, but they are all Pioneers.

The Pure models (4270, 5070, 6070) and the Elite 940 have the speakers on the bottom, the Elite 1140 and 1540 have the speakers on the sides.

 

[shasta]



Quote:
Originally Posted by kannabis /forum/post/0


I am ready to purchase a plasma set. I currently have a 56"DLP but don't like how it displays dark movie scenes (looks reddish)

I am looking to either get the pioneer 6070 or 5070. I havent been able to find any posts comparing both displays or showing any posters showing pics of the 6070, why is that ? Is there a differnce in PQ ? Also, the seeing that the PIO 6070 is 768P not 1080P does it make a difference if I am sitting 13ft from the tv ? please help, i'm really confused

Both are exactly the same in terms of P.Q.


Most people can't see any difference between 768p & 1080p at 5' of viewing distance, much less 13'.


At 13' the 60" would be the the better choice but I do just fine with a 50" viewing distance of about 11'.

 

[dlconner]



Quote:
Originally Posted by kannabis /forum/post/0


I am ready to purchase a plasma set. I currently have a 56"DLP but don't like how it displays dark movie scenes (looks reddish)

I am looking to either get the pioneer 6070 or 5070. I havent been able to find any posts comparing both displays or showing any posters showing pics of the 6070, why is that ? Is there a differnce in PQ ? Also, the seeing that the PIO 6070 is 768P not 1080P does it make a difference if I am sitting 13ft from the tv ? please help, i'm really confused

Forget 1080p on a 50-60" set at 13 feet...your just wasting your hard earned money. As for the difference between the 5070 and 6070...10 inches, nothing more

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[jrbd90]

The 6070 is a wonderful PDP.

I would not go any smaller.


50" viewing area= 1068 sq.in

60" viewing area= 1538 sq.in A 44% increase in size.


The first day it seemed huge as compared to my 42" Panasonic, but i am already used to it.



Seating distance in my den ranges from 8-13'. I cannot see the individual pixels until ~5' so 1080P is not worth it to me.


Also remember that the 8G's will be in big demand and many will buy them at MSRP. This may reduce Pioneer's need to lower the price as it has in the past.

The 8G's may sell out with no price decrease. It seems like a lot of people were waiting to upgrade until something as good as the 8G came out.


My room also has ambient light (i never watch in complete darkness). With this kind of setup the black level is more than sufficient.

 

[ZippyBongHits]

60", when in doubt ALWAYS GO LARGER! Ask my wife!

 

[muranomike]

You guys that say 1080p is not worth it because you can't see the difference just say that because you can't afford a 1080p set. Trust me, if they were cheaper you would be all over them.

I have a 1080p 65" and trust me, there is a huge difference.

Its not wasted money if you can afford it.

 

[DReilly1]



Quote:
Originally Posted by muranomike /forum/post/0


You guys that say 1080p is not worth it because you can't see the difference just say that because you can't afford a 1080p set. Trust me, if they were cheaper you would be all over them.

I have a 1080p 65" and trust me, there is a huge difference.

Its not wasted money if you can afford it.

That is a pretty broad statement, that you assume everyone didn't spend the extra cash because they cannot afford it.


I could have and chose to buy an HD DVD Player, and some other goodies. To my eyes, at my viewing distance of 10 feet, I couldn't see the difference.


I am glad you have a nice 65" 1080P set, but I dont envy yours.


Please dont be so bold as to claim to know why people say what they say, and how they make decisions. It just isn't possible.


Doug

 

[RandyWalters]



Quote:
Originally Posted by muranomike /forum/post/0


You guys that say 1080p is not worth it because you can't see the difference just say that because you can't afford a 1080p set. Trust me, if they were cheaper you would be all over them. I have a 1080p 65" and trust me, there is a huge difference. Its not wasted money if you can afford it.

If you sit far enough away that your human eyeballs cannot resolve the extra resolution then spending the extra money for a 1080p is a waste of money, unless you just like to spend money and brag about it

 

[muranomike]

Well its such an asinine statement.

"I choose a lesser technology because I don't think it makes a difference"

No what you are saying is

"I choose a lesser technology because it is not affordable for my use"

and the reality is that in a few years when all monitors are 1920x1080 minumum and there are 4k x 2k monitors out, people will be saying the same about 1920x1080 monitors. No one will even be MENTIONING 720p monitors because that will be like talking about a 486 intel processor today.


Whether you like it or not, it is reality.

If one had infinite resources I don't think ANYONE would choose a 720p monitor over a 1080p monitor.

 

[muranomike]



Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyWalters /forum/post/0


If you sit far enough away that your human eyeballs cannot resolve the extra resolution then spending the extra money for a 1080p is a waste of money.

That is true, but then you could just buy a EDTV and sit 25 feet away and not see a difference. Again, a bizarre argument.

The whole point is to become immersed in the picture.

That is why people buy bigger monitors, so they can become immersed in the picture. So you have two choices. Buy a massive monitor and sit farther away (which would definately benefit frome 1080p) or buy a smaller monitor and sit closer (and the closer you sit the more benefit you get from 1920x1080).

 

[DReilly1]



Quote:
Originally Posted by muranomike /forum/post/0


Well its such an asinine statement.

"I choose a lesser technology because I don't think it makes a difference"

No what you are saying is

"I choose a lesser technology because it is not affordable for my use"

and the reality is that in a few years when all monitors are 1920x1080 minumum and there are 4k x 2k monitors out, people will be saying the same about 1920x1080 monitors. No one will even be MENTIONING 720p monitors because that will be like talking about a 486 intel processor today.


Whether you like it or not, it is reality.

If one had infinite resources I don't think ANYONE would choose a 720p monitor over a 1080p monitor.

Seeing as very few people in the world have "inifinite" resources, that isn't a great example, but I see your point.


I personally had an open checkbook, within common sense, from the wife to buy the TV I wanted. I felt it was a waste of money to spend twice as much for resolution I could not personally distinguish from our seating.


To spend the money just because you have it, even if you are getting no perceived value, is more asinine than choosing a "lesser

" technology.


Go justify your $8,000 plamsa somewhere else, but I am glad you feel superior.


Maybe I should change my ID to RangeRoverReilly, because a Murano wouldn't do. LOL


Doug

 

[shasta]



Quote:
Originally Posted by muranomike /forum/post/0


You guys that say 1080p is not worth it because you can't see the difference just say that because you can't afford a 1080p set. Trust me, if they were cheaper you would be all over them.

I have a 1080p 65" and trust me, there is a huge difference.

Its not wasted money if you can afford it.

Your theory is both ridiculous and insulting. First it's "ridiculous" because all the results of documented viewing tests show the vast majority people couldn't tell the difference between like size displays showing 768p & 1080p content. Since none of those tested knew which was which, I doubt their individual economic situations effected their eye site. Now your comments are "insulting" because you assume that you know each individuals economic situation. Me for instance, I could if I wished to buy a half dozen 1080p panels, heck so could many on this board I'd guess, but the reason I have money, is partly because I spend it wisely. Just because something is "Marketed" as the "NEXT GREAT THING" doesn't mean I'm going run out like some sheep and spend my hard earned $$$, just so I can brag to my friends that "I'm the coolest, with the best Stuff". I think you'll find the majority of people here aren't ten years old and have enough brain power to make their buying decisions based on research and facts. By the way, if 1080p looks great too you and is worth extra thousands of dollars then great for you, but something from your post tells me it's a big surprise to you that a vast majority of people see wasted $$$.

 

[muranomike]

Lol. Murano isn't the vehicle I drive, it is where I am from.

But anway, I am not trying to feel superior.

I am just really sick of this argument that you can't tell the difference.

The fact is YOU CAN. And soon ALL monitors will be at least 1920x1080 over 42". That is where things are HEADING. 1080i is a standard format for hidef television, and there is NO DOUBT that it looks better on a display that you don't have to scale it, ie in its native 1080 resolution. It is just a matter of economics. And we are on the cusp of the 1920x1080 being affordable. very affordable soon. So advising people it doesn't matter is just bad advice I believe.

I don't mean to hurt anyones feelings (it seems by the replies that I have), but its the truth! You don't see ANYONE talking about EDTV's anymore.

 

[DReilly1]



Quote:
Originally Posted by muranomike /forum/post/0


Lol. Murano isn't the vehicle I drive, it is where I am from.

But anway, I am not trying to feel superior.

I am just really sick of this argument that you can't tell the difference.

The fact is YOU CAN. And soon ALL monitors will be at least 1920x1080 over 42". That is where things are HEADING. 1080i is a standard format for hidef television, and there is NO DOUBT that it looks better on a display that you don't have to scale it, ie in its native 1080 resolution. It is just a matter of economics. And we are on the cusp of the 1920x1080 being affordable. very affordable soon. So advising people it doesn't matter is just bad advice I believe.

I don't mean to hurt anyones feelings (it seems by the replies that I have), but its the truth! You don't see ANYONE talking about EDTV's anymore.

There are some valid points in your comments Mike, it was more in the delivery and the assumption you made that "because you couldn't afford it" that bugged me and a few others. There are many people on this forum with a ton of cash at their disposal, but it is a choice on how to best spend it.


The reality is we ALL just want to be happy when viewing our displays. Be it EDTV, 768P or 1080P


Sounds like you like yours, that is great. I like mine too!


Back to the OP, if you can afford it, buy the 6070. : )


Doug