Originally Posted by timtofly /forum/post/19574397
I have a Pioneer 810H and I can confirm after several test, that my DVD burner will easily play DVD's, but it will no longer high speed dub from the HDD.(...) I am curious if replaceing either the laser sled or changing out the electronics board from a similiar burner would work, or would the laser have to be recalibrated?
Originally Posted by CitiBear /forum/post/19582558
timtofly, I was going to reply to your specific Pioneer 810 post but it was unclear there whether you just wanted another 810 as a spare or were trying to repair your existing recorder.
Originally Posted by CitiBear /forum/post/19586149
Yes, the AO6 is the same as the 106 as far as the recorder is concerned, as long as you swap the recorder burners' controller board into the "new" burner.
Originally Posted by Phil Tomaskovic /forum/post/19612173
Is this the Tivo unit? I was looking at the manual and kind of confused. If you use the component video output, can you still use the analog audio output? If so does it matter if from the video 1 or 2 output? The manual made sound like you had to use the digital audio output with the component video output? Is that true or are they just assuming you want the better digital audio with the component video?
Just checking since I will be helping a friend's son with a new tv and it has only composite video which will be used with a Tivo series 2 and he uses this Pioneer for a dvd player so I will have to use its component output.
Probably easie to just get a cheap dvd player with hdmi but his funds are kind of limited for now.
Originally Posted by CitiBear /forum/post/19594023
105-XA? That's a new one on me. I have never seen anything but the 106 variations in any of the other 2003 units (310, 510, 5100). But again I have never worked on an 810 so I'm not completely clear on its hybrid construction or history. If I had to guess, I'd say the 810 was designed and produced as a late 2002 model that overlapped the less expensive followup x10 models in 2003.
I've never seen a 105, so I can't tell you if it uses the same controller board size and internal connectors as a 106. Based on my experience with other sequential Pioneer burner models, I would guess no. Pioneer had an aggravating tendency to just slightly improve each years model from 104 thru 108, using the same mechanicals and housing, but totally reconfiguring the shape and size of each burners controller board. For example, you can't swap a 106 board into a 107, the 107 doesn't swap with the 108, etc. The final Pioneer burner employed in their own recorders was the 109, which was half the size of the previous burners, creating yet another incompitability.
The 105 is comparatively rare as a second hand generic burner, you may have a really hard time finding one. If you can lay hands on a cheap enough 106, its worth taking a look to see if the boards can be swapped. If not, you can always resell it (there's a thriving market for old Pioneer burners, between obsolete Apple Mac users and old Pioneer recorder users). If the 106 is compatible, your're golden, if not, you'll need to track down another complete 810 recorder to "harvest" from.
If you can afford to have one of your 810s go offline for awhile, you could play with it to gather more info. If the 105-XA uses a standard EIDE connector, try disconnecting it for a day, then reconnect it and power on the recorder. If it starts up normally, there's a strong chance Pioneer dropped the CPRM handshake requirement for the 810 burner since they weren't doing it for the TiVO HDD anyway. In that case, you should be able to install any random 106 replacement burner and not even have to bother with swapping the boards. BUT: if the recorder powers on complaining of "diSC Err", it means it does use the CPRM handshake chip and you'll need a burner that can exchange boards with the 105. It also means you'll need the service disc and service remote, even to re-activate the original burner. So don't try this experiment unless the machine involved is already problematic.
Originally Posted by CitiBear /forum/post/19720625
Glad to hear your repair was successful, Timtofly!
Regarding the AO5/105 and AO6/106 being controller board compatible, you might be in luck: according to at least this one testing website, Pioneer did not change the board design between 105 and 106 like they began doing between 106 and 107. Scroll down towards the end of each review, and you'll see an internal photo of each respective controller board. They appear physically identical with the same connectors and connector locations, so swapping your 105xa board into a 106 may work quite nicely:
Note also TEAC and Memorex rebranded the 106 under their own names, you may be able to find them as additional spares (I installed the Memorex into my own 510 recorder):
Originally Posted by timtofly /forum/post/19721626
Now that I know I have a working one, I may try to dig deeper into the unit and look at the spindle. Even with slight use or no use, after 8-10 years does the rubber become unusable or can it be regenerated.