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Pioneer joins Onkyo with new Receiver Line

2268 Views 28 Replies 19 Participants Last post by scaesare, May 16, 2007

WirelessGuru

Discussion Starter · May 10, 2007

Here come the next batch of receivers to support the advanced DTS and Dolby audio codecs. Pioneer has announced June 2007 as when we can start to see their line of products. now we just need to find a way to get the bits to these receivers!

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh..._Receivers/620

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RobertR1

· #2 · May 11, 2007

"Faroudja® video scaler"

No Reon or Realta. Pass for me

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casper77

· #3 · May 11, 2007

I rather get the Onkyo since they are about $400 cheaper.

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Neo1965

· #4 · May 11, 2007

Finally a new way to enjoy the Fox movies and even better --- play only the original tracks as they are encoded in the movies. The BD and HDDVD players seem to want to add all sorts or ridiculous extraneous popping sounds to the audio over reencoded to DTS or PCM and expect us to accept it.

If these guys really want to produce future proof AVRs, they should provide the ability to upgrade the firmware for the DSPs (via USB?) so that AVRs will last a decade, not just a couple of years.

David Susilo

· #5 · May 11, 2007

this is not something they can easily update. HDMI needs to be updated to 1.3a (impossible via firmware-only) then the codec requires much faster processor (also can't be updated via firmware-only).

nataraj

· #6 · May 11, 2007

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Originally Posted by Neo1965 /forum/post/0

If these guys really want to produce future proof AVRs, they should provide the ability to upgrade the firmware for the DSPs (via USB?) so that AVRs will last a decade, not just a couple of years.

Absolutely. Forget USB, I'm willing to live with a serial port ...

eightninesuited

· #7 · May 11, 2007

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"Faroudja® video scaler"

No Reon or Realta. Pass for me

Yup, I've made up my mind a while ago that I'm done with anything Faroudja.

xboxboi

· #8 · May 11, 2007

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Originally Posted by casper77 /forum/post/0

I rather get the Onkyo since they are about $400 cheaper.

and onkyo does both HD DVD and BD, unlike Pioneer's which according to the product's official press release , the receiver is optimised only for BD optical format. Not even a single word on HD DVD. So if HD DVD owners are thinking of pairing the two - look away and choose Onkyo instead

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Designed for emerging 1080p flat panel television and the Blu-ray® Disc optical format, Pioneer Elite A/V receivers with HDMI 1.3a deliver the true excitement of high definition entertainment.

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vvista

· #9 · May 11, 2007

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and onkyo does both HD DVD and BD, unlike Pioneer's which according to the product's official press release , the receiver is optimised only for BD optical format.

Typical BDA markeing stuff!

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Not even a single word on HD DVD. So if HD DVD owners are thinking of pairing the two - look away and choose Onkyo instead

Wait a minute! HD DVD owners can already hear Dolby TrueHD in 5.1 glory! We don't need no stinkin' overpriced new receivers! Most US titles do not have DTS-HD MA anyway!

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David Susilo

· #10 · May 11, 2007

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and onkyo does both HD DVD and BD, unlike Pioneer's which according to the product's official press release , the receiver is optimised only for BD optical format. Not even a single word on HD DVD. So if HD DVD owners are thinking of pairing the two - look away and choose Onkyo instead

I don't understand how a receiver can be "optimized for BD"?

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Michael TLV

· #11 · May 11, 2007

Greetings

Since the war is over and competing formats do not exist anymore ... it can only be optimized for BD.

Regards

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donricouga

· #12 · May 11, 2007

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I don't understand how a receiver can be "optimized for BD"?

Pioneer says so ok.

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The new generation of HDMI, version 1.3a, has more than double the bandwidth capacity of its predecessors for extremely high speed transfer of uncompressed high definition video and audio resolutions. Designed for emerging 1080p flat panel television and the Blu-ray® Disc optical format, Pioneer Elite A/V receivers with HDMI 1.3a deliver the true excitement of high definition entertainment.

Sorry HDDVD people, but you'll get less than optimized experience.

Of course, thats just the marketing trash that many companies put out. "Uncompressed Video" !!

Look at Bose, they are the king of marketing trash!

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Dan Hitchman

· #13 · May 12, 2007

Of course, HD-DVD doesn't have as many discs with lossless audio let alone PCM. Unless things change Blu-ray will be utilizing the fancy decoding of these new receivers more so than HD-DVD.

David Susilo

· #14 · May 12, 2007

huh? HD DVD uses Dolby TrueHD, which is lossless and DD+, which requires "fancy decoding". PCM doesn't require "fancy decoding", just HDMI 1.1

Am I missing something here?

Dan Hitchman

· #15 · May 12, 2007

I'm talking sheer numbers of discs with lossless or PCM audio (Blu-ray wins handily). And some decoders have a problem with multi-channel PCM audio over HDMI.

Dan

David Susilo

· #16 · May 12, 2007

what decoders? PCM = uncompressed = doesn't need any decoding! Lossless I can understand. But PCM?

Dan Hitchman

· #17 · May 13, 2007

But it will get run through the DSP chip for further processing (EQ, tone control, etc.). Some receivers and pre-amps, for instance, will not take certain resolutons and sampling rates, some won't take 7.1 PCM, some won't process 5.1 PCM to 7.1 via PL IIx or some other surround decoding algorithm, etc.

Dan

David Susilo

· #18 · May 13, 2007

but that only relates to how the signal is being routed through. All processing in any receiver are done after decoding. There is no "optimization" involved at all.

bfdtv

· #19 · May 13, 2007

I can't believe Pioneer is going to brand 2007 receivers "Elite" that incorporate Faroudja processing. Has the Pioneer "Elite" brand really fallen that far?

I can understand Faroudja processing in a $400-$600 receiver, but it is simply not acceptable in a $1600 receiver.

nilsp

· #20 · May 13, 2007

I agree. Unless it is some kind of "next gen" Faroudja?

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