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Check in if you still own one. So much for all those BS myths questioning plasma's longevity way back then. Almost 10 years later and my 111FD picture still wow's me. I have 3 other friends that still have their's and one of them still has a Kuro brand new in a box unused that he bought when Pioneer announced they were getting out of the tv business. I have to admit the OLED's are nice. It took them this long to invent a tv to match the Kuro's picture quality because before then, and after Pioneer was finished, there was nothing.
 

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Mine is still going strong! Though I have had the itch to pick up a larger screen size. When I bought it, 50" seemed huge. Now I'm thinking 65" would be better! :)
 

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Yep.


We quit using our 5010 FD in 2014, when we upgraded to 64" while it was still possible to do so with Plasma.


But we passed it on to our grown daughter. Her boyfriend and I hauled it up to her second-floor apartment (that was not fun...). When we fired it up, she looked at the picture and said "Wow!"


And now, almost 11 years after buying it, it is still going strong in our daughter's apartment.
 

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I still have my Elite 110FD and I might add I have had zero issues with it. I replaced my Elite 151FD with a LG OLED E6 because I got the dreaded multiple blue light regulator fault. I bought the LG 65" E6 to replace it in September of 2016 and have already had 3 problems with it. I want a 88" tv but have zero confidence in Samsung or LG for any of their tv's. The problem is that LCD/LED is tech that I would not like because I am spoiled by my OLED. The other problem is that LG or LG Displays makes and sells all of the OLED panels to all of the companies that sell OLED tv's, as result not going to happen. I just wish solid tech would come out that lasted like my Pioneer elites did with zero issues for so many years.
 

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I still have my Elite 110FD and I might add I have had zero issues with it. I replaced my Elite 151FD with a LG OLED E6 because I got the dreaded multiple blue light regulator fault. I bought the LG 65" E6 to replace it in September of 2016 and have already had 3 problems with it. I want a 88" tv but have zero confidence in Samsung or LG for any of their tv's. The problem is that LCD/LED is tech that I would not like because I am spoiled by my OLED. The other problem is that LG or LG Displays makes and sells all of the OLED panels to all of the companies that sell OLED tv's, as result not going to happen. I just wish solid tech would come out that lasted like my Pioneer elites did with zero issues for so many years.
What about Panasonic? I heard they are making OLED's and are going to start selling tv's again in the U.S. That's the brand I would wait for if i was in the market. Would love to see Pioneer get back into the tv business. You know their OLED would be the GOAT once again like the KURO.
 

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Panasonic sells OLEDs everywhere except the US and they use LG panels but use Panasonic processors which make them better than the Sony's and LG's by a large margin. The OLED technology itself has many short comings but have incredible black levels. A 88" OLED is going to be 25K. the 25K is not the issue because I spent $14,500 on a 50" Pioneer elite 1110HD when it first came out because I believed in the durability of the tech. OlED tv's are fragile and cheaply made. A tv should not slightly warp when it get it has been on for awhile, my E6 does. granted when it is turned off it straightens but still. You see the gaps between the panel and the electronics. The electronic portion is connected to the tv by clips. My Pioneer plasmas were put together with many screws. A OlED can not be repaired if the panel has a scratch or crack in it. To replace the panel on a OLED cost more than the tv, it is joke. I can go on but I won't.
 

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Panasonic sells OLEDs everywhere except the US and they use LG panels but use Panasonic processors which make them better than the Sony's and LG's by a large margin. The OLED technology itself has many short comings but have incredible black levels. A 88" OLED is going to be 25K. the 25K is not the issue because I spent $14,500 on a 50" Pioneer elite 1110HD when it first came out because I believed in the durability of the tech. OlED tv's are fragile and cheaply made. A tv should not slightly warp when it get it has been on for awhile, my E6 does. granted when it is turned off it straightens but still. You see the gaps between the panel and the electronics. The electronic portion is connected to the tv by clips. My Pioneer plasmas were put together with many screws. A OlED can not be repaired if the panel has a scratch or crack in it. To replace the panel on a OLED cost more than the tv, it is joke. I can go on but I won't.
That's very informative. I didn't realize that but doesn't surprise me. Didn't Sony also say they were making OLED? I'm glad I'm not in the market then. The only issue I really heard with the OLED's was the blue tint. I was wondering if they had it fixed or just band aided it.
 

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I still have my KRP-600M and its a great picture. Not at the level of an OLED though, I admit that. But close enough that I haven't felt the need to replace it. To be honest, I'm almost hoping it will die to give me a reason to snatch up an OLED, but it keeps plugging along, lol. I had a lightning strike that took out literally every component in my system...except the Pioneer!
 

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That's very informative. I didn't realize that but doesn't surprise me. Didn't Sony also say they were making OLED? I'm glad I'm not in the market then. The only issue I really heard with the OLED's was the blue tint. I was wondering if they had it fixed or just band aided it.
Sony makes a OLED with a LG Panel but has agony processor which is way better than LG's. Lets put it this way lg had the worst processor in OLEd compared to the competition. The sad thing is that LG Dispay who is a different company than LG makes all of the OLED panels and sells then to: Panasonic, LG and Sony that I know of. Sony and Panasonic are better than the LG's. I know it is confusing and it took me a while as well to wrap my brain around it. The OLED picture is different than plasma, it took me awhile to get used to it, Plasma is much warmer/cool looking compared to OLED. So the blue you are referring to is still there and part of the OLED tech. A properly calibrated OLED blows a Plasma out of the water, not even a fair contest.
 

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Sony makes a OLED with a LG Panel but has agony processor which is way better than LG's. Lets put it this way lg had the worst processor in OLEd compared to the competition. The sad thing is that LG Dispay who is a different company than LG makes all of the OLED panels and sells then to: Panasonic, LG and Sony that I know of. Sony and Panasonic are better than the LG's. I know it is confusing and it took me a while as well to wrap my brain around it. The OLED picture is different than plasma, it took me awhile to get used to it, Plasma is much warmer/cool looking compared to OLED. So the blue you are referring to is still there and part of the OLED tech. A properly calibrated OLED blows a Plasma out of the water, not even a fair contest.


The build quality from LG and Sony on the 2017 or 2018 Oleds are greatly improved. Take a look at the Sony the design is top notch and if you’re in Europe or Canada the Panasonic sets get fantastic reviews.
But for price you can’t beat the LG B8 or C8.
 

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Another problem with a OLEd tv is that they are disposable and do not seem to last as long. Plasma HDTV last for ever, I hah my 151 for 8 years and had the tv on for 8+ hours a day. My OLED already has 4500 hours on it and I can not see it lasting near as long as my 151 did. The OLEd E6 was $5500 and the 151 plasma was $4800. I believe pioneer was going under or the store was going under forgot which happened first but I got a good deal because of it and the fact that I bought a Pioneer elite from every generation from the store.
 

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The build quality from LG and Sony on the 2017 or 2018 Oleds are greatly improved. Take a look at the Sony the design is top notch and if you’re in Europe or Canada the Panasonic sets get fantastic reviews.
But for price you can’t beat the LG B8 or C8.
I would literally die before I bought another anything LG, I am not kidding. I got what looks like a nick in the 3d filter and LG said my kid did it by throwing something at the tv. If you have ever seem a E6 it is a sheet of glass if something was thrown at it the tv would have spidered or shattered. LG just did not want to warranty it which is fine, but the LG tech blamed my kid which is just wrong. My kid also has ASD and could not throw anything at the tv even if he tried, the dexterity is just not there. I wanted killed the guy when we said that and as a result LG will never get another penny from me.
 

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Both of my Plasmas are doing fine: The Pioneer 5020 I bought back in 2009 is in the guest bedroom. It gets little use but is still in excellent condition. My primary is the Panasonic 65ZT which is also going strong. Would I like to upgrade? Sure! But I just can't see myself paying the prices of some of these OLEDs. The new SONY Master Series are pretty high. 2.1 HDMI may be a factor in buying as well as ASTC 3.0. Then I have to buy a 4k receiver and Blu-ray. Right now 1080p is my main choice. When the sets die, only then will I go up to 4k.
 

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KRP-600M. Still amazing. To the ones saying OLED is not reliable I don't agree with that. I fix plasma's for fun(and profit) so I know alot about what makes them fail. I look around once and awhile on the OLED forum and I really don't see alot of problems.
 

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KRP-600M. Still amazing.
Agreed, but it just can't compete with the new OLEDs. It's not so much the black levels, although it is beat there, it's the lack of HDR and the peak brightness levels that I really notice. Having said that, it hasn't been enough of a difference to entice me to buy an OLED yet.
 

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I miss my Kuro's. They really were state of the art. I have a Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 -- the last plasma made using Kuro tech. Bought it in 2013. I don't see any degradation yet.

 

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my 10 year old krp still going strong, and as immaculate as the day i got it
 

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I owned a Pio 500M which I bought right after Pioneer announced that they were exiting the display business. Had it for 5 years before selling it to another member here, and after owning several LCDs and now OLED, I missed the Kuro so much that I bought a 5020 off of Craigslist last year. It's immaculate. I put it in my guest bedroom and it doesn't get used all the time, but when I do use it, the picture quality is still stunning. It puts up a pretty good fight against my LG OLED, especially on 24p movies or 60 fps gaming, where plasma's motion handling shines. For 1080p content too Pioneer's processing is still really good.



Panasonic sells OLEDs everywhere except the US and they use LG panels but use Panasonic processors which make them better than the Sony's and LG's by a large margin. The OLED technology itself has many short comings but have incredible black levels. A 88" OLED is going to be 25K. the 25K is not the issue because I spent $14,500 on a 50" Pioneer elite 1110HD when it first came out because I believed in the durability of the tech. OlED tv's are fragile and cheaply made. A tv should not slightly warp when it get it has been on for awhile, my E6 does. granted when it is turned off it straightens but still. You see the gaps between the panel and the electronics. The electronic portion is connected to the tv by clips. My Pioneer plasmas were put together with many screws. A OlED can not be repaired if the panel has a scratch or crack in it. To replace the panel on a OLED cost more than the tv, it is joke. I can go on but I won't.

Yeah, when I unboxed my OLED, I was surprised by how flimsy it felt. And it's got "waves" (it's not flat, basically) which aren't noticeable from the front but you can clearly see from the side profile.


I still have 3 plasmas, Pioneer, Pansonic, and Hitachi. In comparison they are built like tanks, extremely well put together. They don't make displays like that anymore, everything now is super cheap.
 
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KRP-600M. Still amazing. To the ones saying OLED is not reliable I don't agree with that. I fix plasma's for fun(and profit) so I know alot about what makes them fail. I look around once and awhile on the OLED forum and I really don't see alot of problems.
It's just one complainer. I would put the build quality of my LG G6 OLED in the range of both the 111FD and ZT60 that preceded it. Grayscale uniformity is the only place where it slightly lets me down (which is endemic to the manufacturing process). LG's processing has taken a big leap this year in the 2018 series, narrowing the gap between the 2017 Sony to practically a dead heat (of course, Sony has incorporated a new chip on their recent A9F).
 
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