[heyyall]

I've been "needing" to upgrade my Kenwood VR-2080 receiver to one that handles HDMI. Santa brought a 1080p projector so I can't use my TV for switching any longer. When I set up the projector, I ran HDMI and a composite cable for legacy support. The plan is to upconvert with the receiver once I have the go ahead from the Mrs and use the composite video cable as a 12v trigger. The audio on my kenwood receiver has held up quite well. My bluray player is configured to output DTS @96khz (which is twice the 2080's stated sampling handling of 48khz), so the sound remains truly impressive--not the best but certainly not bad. I'm actually not expecting much improvement in sound quality, but need to simply the system a bit with the HDMI.


So...back to the thread topic. I had mentally decided that the Elite 23 was going to be the replacement. Then this week I've been reading about the new 1020 and 1120's coming out soon and had a few questions.

1. Upconversion: Does anybody know if the 1120 with the Marvell will outperform the 23 in upconversion? Best I could tell this might be similar to video comparison of the 23 with one of the SC receivers (which use the same chip as the new 1120??)?


2. Is this the end of the mid-tier elites (non-ice)? With the 1120 now in the mix, I don't see room for the 21 & 23 anymore. I'm wondering if the Elite's will only be ice amps. I'm not looking to wait until late summer so I'm trying not to be paralyzed thinking about what might be coming down the road. I'm also not going to get the go ahead for a receiver much higher than $500 to $700, so it would serve no purpose to wait for something that would be too expensive. If there was a 23-replacement near the price point of the 1120, it would seem like waiting would be best. Anybody else wrestling with this thought?

 

[juanchibiris]

The second point might be true, that VSX-1120 looks great for a non-Elite, i´m in that road too, maybe wait or maybe buy that receiver, but i am assuming when the Elites will be released if there are an Elite receiver like the 1120, this 1120 will drop his price or something like that.


Oh, and i don´t might about the warranty so maybe can i get it more cheaper than the MSRP?.

 

[Yung]

The VSX-1020 is an update on the VSX-1019. Both the 920K and 1020K will have the same ABT-1015 for video processing as the VSX-1019/VSX-21 and VSX-23. The 1020 will also have PQLS for 2-channel. The VSX-1120 will use a Marvell chip for video processing. Marvell was also used in teh flagship SC-09 but not sure if it is the same chip. The VSX-1120 will also have multi-channel PQLS. Both the 1020 and 1120 will have an Ethernet port for iPhone apps as well as Internet Radio capability. The VSX-1120 will be TXH Select 2 Certified. Here's a link to an interview with Dave Bales of Pioneer which gives some details on the new models.

http://www.avrant.com/?p=1282


I agree that I don't see room for two entry level Elites this year like they have with the 21/23 and the 01/03 the year before.

 

[googlegod]



Quote:
Originally Posted by juanchibiris /forum/post/18258490


The second point might be true, that VSX-1120 looks great for a non-Elite, i´m in that road too, maybe wait or maybe buy that receiver, but i am assuming when the Elites will be released if there are an Elite receiver like the 1120, this 1120 will drop his price or something like that.


Oh, and i don´t might about the warranty so maybe can i get it more cheaper than the MSRP?.

The 1020 still has the light weight 19 pound amps were as the 1120 packs on ten more pounds of muscle, but it has 50% higher msrp. It seems pioneer is the first to market with the 2010 line up with 1.4 , if history means anything, the really good suff isn't to far behind.

 

[emelius]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Yung /forum/post/18258641


I agree that I don't see room for two entry level Elites this year like they have with the 21/23 and the 01/03 the year before.

they'll make room...& i can hardly wait

...

 

[winston9332]

gents, looking very fondly at the 1120. pioneer may have beaten onkyo at their game of cramming featureset into a receiver at an incredible price point. in the past few weeks, the infuriating POD issue with Marantz's current models have led me to first a 1019 on a whim and then an elite 21. I have been nothing but impressed with Pioneer's mid-level offerings. The 1120 seems to offer the power of the 9040 and a really robust package of features, video processing, and connectivity.


Any one have an idea when they'll be out?

 

[chas_w]



Quote:
Originally Posted by winston9332 /forum/post/18258930


gents, looking very fondly at the 1120. pioneer may have beaten onkyo at their game of cramming featureset into a receiver at an incredible price point. in the past few weeks, the infuriating POD issue with Marantz's current models have led me to first a 1019 on a whim and then an elite 21. I have been nothing but impressed with Pioneer's mid-level offerings. The 1120 seems to offer the power of the 9040 and a really robust package of features, video processing, and connectivity.


Any one have an idea when they'll be out?

April, according to this:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...ag=mncol;title

 

[joey791]

Even though I have a 1018 that 1120 looks mighty tasty

 

[ccotenj]



Quote:
Originally Posted by heyyall /forum/post/18258097



1. Upconversion: Does anybody know if the 1120 with the Marvell will outperform the 23 in upconversion? Best I could tell this might be similar to video comparison of the 23 with one of the SC receivers (which use the same chip as the new 1120??)?


2. Is this the end of the mid-tier elites (non-ice)? With the 1120 now in the mix, I don't see room for the 21 & 23 anymore. I'm wondering if the Elite's will only be ice amps. I'm not looking to wait until late summer so I'm trying not to be paralyzed thinking about what might be coming down the road. I'm also not going to get the go ahead for a receiver much higher than $500 to $700, so it would serve no purpose to wait for something that would be too expensive. If there was a 23-replacement near the price point of the 1120, it would seem like waiting would be best. Anybody else wrestling with this thought?

1) won't be relevant with hdmi sources. unless pioneer has a major design philosophy change that they are going to unveil this year. with pioneer avr's what comes in on hdmi goes out untouched.


that being said, it can still of value for analog sources. did they say what marvell chip will be in the unit? that would be a start. ime, the marvell processing that is used in the susano is VERY good. i would anticipate that the implementation of the chip would be "normal avr implementation" (i.e. scaling/interlacing is done, and a few adjustments are available, but not all of the goodies are turned on).


2) who knows, but imo, i don't think there will be a "trickle down" of ice amps anytime soon... that's a big product differentiator...

 

[heyyall]

The amazon-posted specs for the 1120 indicate that "Marvell's cutting-edge advanced video processing lets you upscale your picture to digital 1080p from virtually any source, even digital HDMI, at a quality level unprecedented in home theaters." Amazon Citation . This could be a shift in design philosophy, and if the real world performance is half what Pioneer is billing, this will be great.

 

[ccotenj]

^^^


thanks for posting that...

yup, sure sounds like a shift from that description. that's a big change, and will eliminate a complaint that many have. otoh, hopefully they won't muck up the implementation as others have. given their history, i'd assume they'll do it right though. pioneer usually does.


it does sound great. like i said, the marvell in the susano is very good. noticeably better than the processing in the 150fd, and also ime compares favorably with the anchor bay processing implemented in the dvdo edge and the oppo bdp-83...


this avr sounds like it is shaping up to be a winner, at least in terms of the described feature set... which is a GOOD thing for us pioneer fanboys...

pioneer needs to make some money...

 

[marax]

VSX-1120-k model has LAN input but no DLNA at all, ? That has no sense at all, why they would not put DLNA support ?


One more thing, why they put USB in front, so every time I want to connect iPhone , then the ugly cable would be visible in front of the receiver ? Why is that, I think the old system with input in back + dock is better solution. Could I still use dock + adapter port in the back with the same performances ? Any ideas?

 

[M Code]



Quote:
Originally Posted by heyyall /forum/post/18260143


The amazon-posted specs for the 1120 indicate that "Marvell's cutting-edge advanced video processing lets you upscale your picture to digital 1080p from virtually any source, even digital HDMI, at a quality level unprecedented in home theaters." Amazon Citation . This could be a shift in design philosophy, and if the real world performance is half what Pioneer is billing, this will be great.

Proceed with caution..


In lite of all of their corporate difficulties including the collapse of their plasma and aftermarket car audio biz and now majority control by Sharp and Honda, they are facing challenging times..


On paper the new Pioneer AVRs look awesome but one should take a closer look before putting down the $..


Just my $0.01...

 

[onesolo]

Hi guys, I'm looking for a new receiver, and this new Pioneer line looks awesome. Right now I'm with an eye on the 1120...

Can anyone shed some lights about some doubts about this model??


Does it come with DNLA support?

What about USB port, does it have one?

Can it be firmware upgradable via rj45?

Does the hdmi signal passes through when the receiver is off or at least in standby??

In paper how does the video chip can be compared with the one for example from Onkyo 807 ??

And what about power ratings, does the Pioneers is used to achieve a good power rating when in full stress (when on 5.1 for ex..)??

 

[GregLee]

My guesses:

Quote:
Originally Posted by onesolo /forum/post/18270297


Does it come with DNLA support? No.

What about USB port, does it have one? Yes.

Can it be firmware upgradable via rj45? No.

I haven't seen a manual for the 1120 yet. The USB port is mentioned on the Amazon product page .

 

[juanchibiris]

At least in the power measurements, it is the only of theri new line who measures his power with a full frequency 20Hz-20KHz, maybe because it is THX Select.

 

[ghken]

The 1120 looks to be the answer to my prayers. I noticed one interesting detail buried at the bottom of the Amazon page for the 1120 in the product description:


>> HDMI 1.4 (6 In / 2 out), 3-D and Audio return Channel, Dual HDMI Output

 

[Chip E]

I'm downsizing my HT habit. The 1120 fits my needs as far as i can tell. Can i use HDMI 1.3 cables with this receiver, i wonder ? I'd assume-yes. I'm not doing 3D anything. I have a 58V10,Fios hd box and a Sony BDP-S350 BD. I'm going to be driving Monitor Audio Apex series sat speakers.

 

[Wesley Hester]



Quote:
Originally Posted by ghken /forum/post/18275514


The 1120 looks to be the answer to my prayers. I noticed one interesting detail buried at the bottom of the Amazon page for the 1120 in the product description:


>> HDMI 1.4 (6 In / 2 out), 3-D and Audio return Channel, Dual HDMI Output

 

[aidoroboo]

The manuals for the new models are available through the Pioneer website even though there are only links for the 520 and 820.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ctions0302.pdf

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ctions0302.pdf