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Plasma a "trend"?

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Barrybud

Discussion Starter · Jun 5, 2004

I thought you guys might find this amusing...

Quote:

"The Plasma trend is temporary, and plasmas will only be used for very large displays. LCD screens will dominate the TV market in the near future, even though they will be more expensive than conventional CRT TVs we are all used to."

It comes from a news and event page on the Genoa site. This company is developing 5 and 6 primary color systems for Projectors, rptv and LCD.

http://www.genoacolor.com/news.html

This is the PDF the quote came from.

http://www.genoacolor.com/pdf/haaretz.pdf

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Jamie571

· #2 · Jun 5, 2004

A growing trend is more like it. It amazes me how many people are investing in LCD technology. It could be they see it as the same way LCD's entered the computer market. With the high cost of manufactoring large LCD's, its hard to believe that they will be competitive for joe-six-packs dollar. I really think there is a higher proffit margin built in plasma and we'll see its price drop to always stay below LCD prices with a larger screen size.

Perhaps these same people that invest in LCD technology are the same ones that spread the "rumors" about plasma (ie, burn-in, life).

reason1

· #3 · Jun 5, 2004

Plasma is going to be around for a good long time. Billions has been invested in plant capacity, and as far as I know, the only way to get that back is to make plasmas. Even if competitive factors drive down prices, these plants will still need to make plasmas.

Rysa4

· #4 · Jun 5, 2004

Plasma is a changing trend; I look forward to the next step in advances based on fixed pixel technology- I also look forward to true challening alternatives, which dont seem to include todays LSD or DLP technology.

newguy2

· #5 · Jun 5, 2004

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Originally posted by reason1
Plasma is going to be around for a good long time. Billions has been invested in plant capacity, and as far as I know, the only way to get that back is to make plasmas. Even if competitive factors drive down prices, these plants will still need to make plasmas.

I agree that plasmas will be around a long time. I disagree that it will be because there are expensive manufacturing plants already built to make them. The thing that keeps any technology, plasma included, continuing forward is customer purchases. As long as plasmas offer superior performance for money, those manufacturing plants will be open. If that ever stops and the prices fall below marginal costs, those plants will be converted to something else. This has happened many, many times in electronics and other manufacturing industries. Fortunately, plasmas have a price/performance that looks very solid to me for years to come. While some of the technologies we hear about from time to time could knock plasmas out several years hence, none of them (including >50" LCD) looks like a serious threat in the next 5 - 10 years in my crystal ball.

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wblynch

· #6 · Jun 6, 2004

Color TV was a "trend"... Is it still?

technofan

· #7 · Jun 6, 2004

In the next few years, Plasma will dominate the >40" market while LCD will take the smaller size market and will out number the total plasma in terms of units sale due to explosion of cell phones with video, handheld game consoles, digital cameras, laptop & desktop monitors, instrument displays and smaller HDTV. Most med-price and up cars and SUV in the next few years will have LCD at the dashboard for display with or without navigation system. Most minivan and SUV will have LCD panels at the roof or behind the head-rests except the last row as options! One minivan can have 5 LCD panels!!

ph0sphor

· #8 · Jun 6, 2004

I agree with technofan. And since most people are likely to prefer a large TV with good PQ over a small backlit TV with motion artefacts, Plasma will rule the livingrooms.

Unless, of course, significant improvements are made to the LCD technology.

Herman

· #9 · Jun 6, 2004

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I also look forward to true challening alternatives, which dont seem to include todays LSD or DLP technology.

Freudian slip?

Herm

Odnetnin256

· #10 · Jun 7, 2004

Plasma has definitely got to be a trend. After seeing the Sony KDL-32XBR950 LCD, I can see that LCD has made a huge, huge improvement over plasma technology. Motion artifacting? Gone. Poor black level performance? Gone. Low Contrast? Gone. Poor viewing angles? Gone. Muted color saturation? It's a thing of the past. With the risk of burn-in for plasma, and shorter lifespan, I see LCD rising to #1 by 2010. Since LCD will be able to outperform plasma in EVERY aspect, plasma will be pointless for manufacturers to sell, and pointless for consumers to own. Since LCD has already surpassed plamsa in terms of PQ, just imagine how much superior LCD will be to plama come 2010. I also see the CRT becoming extinct. By 2010, the only TVs on the market will probably be LCD based, wheter they be direct view or projection. Maybe DLP will survive, if it can catch up in terms of color saturation. So, again, we wil mainly just see LCD direct view, LCD rear projection, LCD front projection, LCoS rear projection, and DLP rear projection, and DLP front projection. The future will be dominated by Liquid crystals and digital light. Phosphor based displays will be history.

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Picus_H

· #11 · Jun 7, 2004

Hey Odnetin - could I get your opinion on the Sony LCD's? I read your post but couldn't decide whether you liked them or not.

elvisdoc

· #12 · Jun 7, 2004

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Originally posted by Odnetnin256
Plasma has definitely got to be a trend. After seeing the Sony KDL-32XBR950 LCD, I can see that LCD has made a huge, huge improvement over plasma technology. Motion artifacting? Gone. Poor black level performance? Gone. Low Contrast? Gone. Poor viewing angles? Gone. Muted color saturation? It's a thing of the past. With the risk of burn-in for plasma, and shorter lifespan, I see LCD rising to #1 by 2010. Since LCD will be able to outperform plasma in EVERY aspect, plasma will be pointless for manufacturers to sell, and pointless for consumers to own. Since LCD has already surpassed plamsa in terms of PQ, just imagine how much superior LCD will be to plama come 2010. I also see the CRT becoming extinct. By 2010, the only TVs on the market will probably be LCD based, wheter they be direct view or projection. Maybe DLP will survive, if it can catch up in terms of color saturation. So, again, we wil mainly just see LCD direct view, LCD rear projection, LCD front projection, LCoS rear projection, and DLP rear projection, and DLP front projection. The future will be dominated by Liquid crystals and digital light. Phosphor based displays will be history.

Thank you, Obewon. You are wise beyond your...what is it...20 years?

Gimme a break...tell ya what, kid, when LCD's are better, we'll let YOU know.

elvis

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Odnetnin256

· #13 · Jun 7, 2004

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Originally posted by elvisdoc
Thank you, Obewon. You are wise beyond your...what is it...20 years?

Gimme a break...tell ya what, kid, when LCD's are better, we'll let YOU know.

elvis

Go see the Sony KDL-32XBR950, and then tell me.

PDPnNJ

· #14 · Jun 7, 2004

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Originally posted by Odnetnin256
Go see the Sony KDL-32XBR950, and then tell me.

Dude, do you have to post on every single thread about the passion you have for those Sonys ? Go ahead and buy it so you can give us all a rest

Also, now you are making projections on how the industry is heading ? Based on what ? A visit to the store ? You don't even own the unit in question. How can you tell this unit would display from different sources without actually taking one home ?

Give it a rest, would ya ? It's getting old quick.

Brent Madden

· #15 · Jun 7, 2004

Wow, he really sounds like an expert on the future of display technologies.

cheridave

· #16 · Jun 7, 2004

Ok, Its time to give this one a "Time Out"!

Dave

cheridave

· #17 · Jun 8, 2004

On with the show.

But lets be nice to each other while we're at it.

Dave

Jet Champion

· #18 · Jun 8, 2004

I don't know if Plasma will always be the greatest technology, but it would greatly surprise me if LCD ever became the greatest technology.

I think all sorts of projection-type TVs can be the most film like, but I'll say this about Plasma--it is DIRECT. If I'm looking for a display that comes closest to approximating reality then Plasma is the winner.

In the future Plasma technology may change from what it is today, but some form of it will still be here.

Odnetnin256

· #19 · Jun 8, 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Jet Champion
I don't know if Plasma will always be the greatest technology, but it would greatly surprise me if LCD ever became the greatest technology.

I think all sorts of projection-type TVs can be the most film like, but I'll say this about Plasma--it is DIRECT. If I'm looking for a display that comes closest to approximating reality then Plasma is the winner.

In the future Plasma technology may change from what it is today, but some form of it will still be here.

I would be willing to buy a plasma if they were not so prone to burn-in, simply because they are a lot cheaper than LCDs. Although, I now think the LCD pq is better than plasma (for Sony anyway).

Picus_H

· #20 · Jun 8, 2004

I think how 'prone to burn in' they are depends on who you talk to. If you mean 'burn in is a factor', I agree. If you think they are burning up all over the place with stock tickers and CCN symbols, I disagree. I've yet to see any burn-in on any one of the 33 panels I have access to every day.

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