[cheridave]

Plasma televisions are an excellent choice for consumers willing to pay a premium according to recent white paper from research firm IDC. The firm based its conclusion on laboratory testing conducted by the Imaging Science Foundation (ISF) in June and July of this year.


In a study paid for by Pioneer Electronics, research firm IDC, in......................

Article Here!


Dave

 

[foghorn2]

Does Pioneer make LCD's?


I agree with them but when studies are funded by corporations, many times they are biased.


(Mod deleted OT remarks)

 

[D-Nice]

foghorn2,

You need to check out this thread. ...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=568486


I HIGHLY doubt that a respected group like the IDC would be biased regardless of who paid for the study.

 

[donotremove]

Please, you cannot take research results at face value without first considering who paid for the research. It doesn't matter how "respected" the research group is.

 

[ericjut]

I think what's more important would be to figure out if the units they tested are a good representation of their technology.


That Eric guy said about the units they used for their testing:

"all TVs were top brand and top quality from the manufacturers that you'd expect would be present in a test like this"

And I'm glad to hear that the burn-in issue on top-brand Plasmas isn't an issue, but is that true for any Plasma? Knowing this, can I just go to store X and grab the cheapest Plasma and expect the burn-in damage to be fully reversible?


-eric

 

[wojtek]

Who cares what a Pioneer-funded research group says.


Pop in your favorite DVD, check out HD and SD, and buy what looks best to you.

 

[foghorn2]

Quote:

Originally Posted by wojtek Who cares what a Pioneer-funded research group says. Pop in your favorite DVD, check out HD and SD, and buy what looks best to you.

Agreed! And I agree with the group, but the "group" should find other funding.

That way, it would be more L'git.

 

[ClarkeBar]

People should chill on this.


Here's a real brain stretcher:


Pioneer knows full well plasma technology provides a better viewing experience, knows full well the industry suffers from plasma myths, finds a reputable organization to test for what they already know.


EXACTLY HOW IS THIS BIASED?


Apparently because what they already knew to be true turned out to be so.


Also apparently some knees jerk no matter what the stimulus.


My $.02

 

[TheFerret]

What about CRT and LCoS?

 

[whityfrd]

typical marketing jargon. I guess some people cant tell the difference between a set up marketing ploy and a legit experiment between two technologies. Plus, you cant just rival one set of each technology to get a reputable verdict. this is dumb in every sense of the word. Im not dogging plasma or pioneer, but they must think digital buyers are idiots. They might as well form a merger with best buy.

 

[Icon Smith]

I own all of these technologies and in my humble opinion, for the broad range of viewing experiences, I concur wholeheartedly.





*edit* I wasn't actually claiming to own these technologies - just displays that utilize these technologies.

 

[D-Nice]

Quote:

Originally Posted by donotremove Please, you cannot take research results at face value without first considering who paid for the research. It doesn't matter how "respected" the research group is.

And who do YOU think should pay for the research. Why don't YOU pay for it. It would have been biased if Pioneer did the research themselves. I guess you don't understand who actually pays for most studies, researches, etc. Here's the answer: THE PRIVATE SECTOR (i.e Corporations). Take a look in your local grocery store (low carb diets, fat free this and that).

 

[D-Nice]

Quote:

Originally Posted by foghorn2 Agreed! And I agree with the group, but the "group" should find other funding. That way, it would be more L'git.

Like I said to one other...WHO should fund it? People on this forum blast Consumer Reports for naming Sony plasmas #1 and they are a non-profit organization. Would it be ok if the tools at CNet or Panasonic did the study? Why don't you fund a study?


Really guys, I've heard that AVS members are anal, bitchy, moody, and like to confront everything, but this is getting ridiculous.

 

[Rbyers]

And, you can't count on Consumer Reports being unbiased. I recall when they blasted the corvette for having too much power, no trunk, and only two seats. There are no unbiased reviews. The reviewers don't live in a vacuum.

 

[D-Nice]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rbyers And, you can't count on Consumer Reports being unbiased. I recall when they blasted the corvette for having too much power, no trunk, and only two seats. There are no unbiased reviews. The reviewers don't live in a vacuum.

And how is that biased?

 

[TheFerret]

When was the last time manufacturer X paid an independent company to review its product, technology, or service against the competition and that company blasted company X? I'd be curious.


BTW, does the plasma industry so fragile they actually need a paid-for campaign like this? No laurels to rest upon?

 

[D-Nice]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFerret When was the last time manufacturer X paid an independent company to review its product, technology, or service against the competition and that company blasted company X? I'd be curious. BTW, does the plasma industry so fragile they actually need a paid-for campaign like this? No laurels to rest upon?

Cnet. Pick any review they have done.

 

[TheFerret]

So, you are saying that any review they have done is a) paid for by the product manufacture, and b) is negative? WOW!

 

[Icon Smith]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFerret So, you are saying that any review they have done is a) paid for by the product manufacture, and b) is negative? WOW!

Regardless of who paid for the study, ISF performed the testing and subsequently arrived the conclusion that plasma was superior to LCD and DLP.


I doubt very seriously that the research firm (IDC) instructed ISF on how to conduct the evaluations and what conclusions they should arrive at.

 

[D-Nice]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFerret So, you are saying that any review they have done is a) paid for by the product manufacture, and b) is negative? WOW!

How do you think they get paid? It ain't the magazines nor the website. Every single review they have done has had something negative in it. Why do you think none of the products they have reviewed has seen a perfect 10? If you can't trust the IDC or ISF for doing the study, although Pioneer paid for it, who can you trust?