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I've now owned several plasmas...pioneer kuro to a current 42S60. While many of the measurable specs are amazing with plasma...the ACTUAL picture is never good. It is so full of noise as to be totally distracting. The lack of discernible color gradation makes faces look ridiculous. I had last years 50ut50 and took it back...I thought this years 42" would be great because the smaller screen size would make the noise less discernible. I was wrong...the 42 looks just as soft as the 50, with so much picture noise that I can't even fathom why this is considered the reference technology.


How the heck does one get a clean picture with some appropriate gradation??


I want like heck to love plasma...I've tried...over and over again. I can't imagine why you folks think you are seeing a good picture when it looks so noisy and so soft.


I bought a high end sony lcd which does have a better picture quality...but, it falls apart in low light scenarios.


It's almost as if nobody makes a good tv!!!


Do none of you notice the constant barage of mosquito noise in the pic? I don't even have 20/20 vision, and yet the noise is so apparent that it's crazy.


Again...not trolling. I am an unbiased videophile...I just want a good picture, and neither plasma nor lcd seems to bring it! I want to like plasma...as it's the closest to crt. But, I just can't get past the freaking noise! WHy would 1080p video not display a noise free picture?
 

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Sharpness is set too high or you're sitting too close to the screen or you just have a peculiar sensitivity to dithering/posterization (you wouldn't be the first). It's not that striking to me. Call me blind (20/20 corrected laser vision).
 

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So you bought the near bottom rung of Panasonics plasma line and were expecitng an excellent picture? Maybe step up to at least the ST or VT and then maybe youll see a difference. Unfortunately in your size range (~42") your choices are limited to the "lower end" sets which will suffer from worse picture than its more expensive label mates.....


How far are you sitting? What sources are you watching? have you trued swapping out cables and other equipment to see if those could be the source? have you tried adjusting the picture via one of the many "adjustment" discs available?


also some blu-ray movies have grain, thats normal and part of the source... Some people confuse that grain or a bad transfer to something being wrrong with the picture of thier TV...
 

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Originally Posted by vinnie97  /t/1472643/plasma-its-just-not-that-good-im-not-trolling#post_23313449


Sharpness is set too high or you're sitting too close to the screen or you just have a peculiar sensitivity to dithering/posterization (you wouldn't be the first). It's not that striking to me. Call me blind (20/20 corrected laser vision).

Just remember you did ask for it


 

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drboyd, can I come by your house to see the first noise free plasma?? Please?


I bought the S because it basically looks the same as the ST, except for the filter. They're both incredibly noisy.


And noise would not be caused by cabling...this is the digital world.


I have setup many, many tv's...I owned and used a color analyzer before most people even knew what they were.


I also mentioned that I had a Sony lcd which had a good, clean picture. It just fell apart in a low light room...and I happen to love watching movies in a low light room.


I've tried any and all settings...lowering contrast can mask the noise to an extent. But, the low light output makes the picture lacking...


I just can't believe most of you not seeing an objectionable amount of noise from your panny plasmas. Even my vaunted kuro had a lot of noise...not a little, a lot.


Source material can be 1080p Blu-ray...there is still a ton of noise. Not film grain...dancing noise. WHich is on your tv too, you have just learned not to see it...or you are just able to watch tv and not see it...which is lucky for you!
 

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Originally Posted by vinnie97  /t/1472643/plasma-its-just-not-that-good-im-not-trolling#post_23313468


My my, how thick your glasses are, sonny.

Well that picture would be you
not I my friend

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drboyd, can I come by your house to see the first noise free plasma?? Please?


I bought the S because it basically looks the same as the ST, except for the filter. They're both incredibly noisy.


And noise would not be caused by cabling...this is the digital world.


I have setup many, many tv's...I owned and used a color analyzer before most people even knew what they were.


I also mentioned that I had a Sony lcd which had a good, clean picture. It just fell apart in a low light room...and I happen to love watching movies in a low light room.


I've tried any and all settings...lowering contrast can mask the noise to an extent. But, the low light output makes the picture lacking...


I just can't believe most of you not seeing an objectionable amount of noise from your panny plasmas. Even my vaunted kuro had a lot of noise...not a little, a lot.


Source material can be 1080p Blu-ray...there is still a ton of noise. Not film grain...dancing noise. WHich is on your tv too, you have just learned not to see it...or you are just able to watch tv and not see it...which is lucky for you!

Wait so now people are not seeing things that are there and a problem for you, but not for them and its thier fault? JMOHO but I hope those people never "learn" to see it then...


So now becasue its all digital there can be no faults with equipment, cables or settings? Please let me know what cables are 100% perfect all of the time as I am sure they would sell like hotcakes....


If you have objections with the Panasonic then buy a samsung F8500?


you still didnt answer how far you are from your TV
 

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I have an issue with LCD/LED displays but in regards to frame rates and movement appearing artificial. I'm basically the only one that notices and it can be annoying; that is why I have a plasma. You might be an ideal candidate or an OLED display?
 

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at least 10 feet away...


and if you think digital cabling is responsible for this noise, then what can I say? Other than, you are wrong. The same cabling produced a nice, clean picture on the SOny...plus, hdmi cables don't deliver subtle picture quality differences...let alone, major discrepancies like the noise on this screen. It just doesn't happen...and if you think it does, you probably spent big money on cables.


And no...nothing is their fault. I just can't believe people don't see it....it's not good at all.


I'm just frustrated as there really isn't any great tv out there...
 

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Originally Posted by vinnie97  /t/1472643/plasma-its-just-not-that-good-im-not-trolling#post_23313532


Can't be, you posted it, that makes it you. My thick-spectacled glasses were left to disintegrate in the 90s. :0

You said u were blind
I've never made such a statement
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at least 10 feet away...


and if you think digital cabling is responsible for this noise, then what can I say? Other than, you are wrong. The same cabling produced a nice, clean picture on the SOny...plus, hdmi cables don't deliver subtle picture quality differences...let alone, major discrepancies like the noise on this screen. It just doesn't happen...and if you think it does, you probably spent big money on cables.


And no...nothing is their fault. I just can't believe people don't see it....it's not good at all.


I'm just frustrated as there really isn't any great tv out there...

Your frustrated and taking it out on forum members trying to help you get to the bottom of what is happening.
 

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Past tense, man, past tense (but...now I'm better understanding the photo, as it is supposed to reflect my spectacled self in the past)!
Though, like death and taxes, I am sure deteriorating vision is in my future (as it is for everybody, thanks to aging
) Too long of a day...off to bed and up at 'em bright and early.
 

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Originally Posted by vinnie97  /t/1472643/plasma-its-just-not-that-good-im-not-trolling#post_23313629


Past tense, man, past tense (but...now I'm better understanding the photo, as it is supposed to reflect my spectacled self in the past)!
Though, like death and taxes, I am sure deteriorating vision is in my future (as it is for everybody, thanks to aging
) Too long of a day...off to bed and up at 'em bright and early.

Well that and the episode it came from Jerry was wearing prescription glasses when he didn't need them
 

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Sit further back and find a good calibrator might help you too overlook the noise.Mine has it (Sam 51e450),but my eyes are not the best so I don't even see it unless I'm 5 ft away...it's a bit like image retention after a while you don't notice it.If you look for it you will notice it just like a lot of other problems the tv may have.
 

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I can see how dithering can bother you. It's more noticeable in movies more than anything but I haven't calibrated the settings for movie watching because I mainly do gaming and plasma is the best tv for gaming. Maybe if I mess with the settings when I watch a movie there won't be any type of dithering.
 
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