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Originally Posted by Dude111  /t/1423003/please-bring-back-crt-tvs-into-the-production-line-again/30#post_22385630


Its sad that you cant see what the better is...... Its ppl who dont know whats better IS THE REASON things are going to crap... (In my opinion)

Oh, I can see all right. And at a much farther distance than I could using a small crt tv!
 

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Originally Posted by Mik James  /t/1423003/please-bring-back-crt-tvs-into-the-production-line-again/30#post_22387617


Its sad how incredibly biased you are


There are of course some things crt's just aren't very good at, sure a 15000$ monitor will help close the gap but the average CRT has some clear faults when compared to other technology and modern technology has improved considerably.

Exactly. Sadly.... we shall never see again good quality crt's since no company will ever again be willing to make a close to perfect CRT like Mitsubishi and Nec did.


Most people nowadays don't care however better a tech is compared to another. Most people just prefer having a big screen even if it has clear disadvantages. Plasma tech is very very good these days and CRT's are just so costly and hard to manufacture that nobody bothers with them.


The only companies interested would be ones who make arcades, etc. Only there would it be worth it.


I for myself, cannot endure LCD, neither can my wife. Causes motion sickness, headaches and red eyes every time we watch one for more than 2-3 hours (and lol its not 240hz silly advertising that will change the fault of the tech.)

Plasma would be the only way to go... but when you are used to watch a 36" from 4-5 feet... you can't stand the digital noise, etc etc from plasmas and lcd's at that distance. (especially when most plasmas are 42'' up)
 

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Originally Posted by Floydage  /t/1423003/please-bring-back-crt-tvs-into-the-production-line-again#post_22344450


And what's ironically funny is your post combined with your avatar image.
 

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Not to sound trollish or anything I've always been a die hard CRT fan and ran PC CRTs all the way til late 2010 (a 24" Sony FW900 CRT which unfortunately died), but I currently own a Sony 34XBR960 CRT & a Pioneer 5080HD Kuro plasma from 2007 and I'm very satisfied with the Plasmas picture quality, in fact it has a brighter picture and higher ANSI contrast ratio than the XBR960, along with excellent & satisfying black levels (Of course the XBR960 also has excellent black levels and it does edge out the plasma in color accuracy).


Check out the newer 2012 Panasonic Plasmas such as the ST50 or VT50 models, The ST50 is the cheaper of the two but both models are regarded as the best you can buy right now in terms of overall picture quality and they don't cost an arm and a leg (especially the ST50), Also remember Plasma & CRT both share Phosphor based technology unlike LCD.


EDIT: Just wanted to add that when it comes to PC monitors I'd still take an FW900 CRT over anything out there currently. IMO Plasma's are too big to use as a primary PC monitor and I haven't come across any PC LCDs that can truly replace an FW900, especially when it comes to black levels and motion resolution with gaming.
 

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And that's not even the best the kuro line had to offer, the second gen went from around 0.03 mll (black level) to 0.0005-0.001 mll (getting to CRT level) and the ANSI contrast is definetly a point for plasma over CRT.
 

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I will know soon if i can repair it. Gonna receive the needed FET's today. (Can u guys believe this monster uses 1500V 50A Field Effect Transistors for deflection lol!)


Man are the video drivers(video output amplifier) in monitors crazy. In almost all CRT's, the rgb video drivers are usually located on the neck of the CRT and are either TO220 simple transistors or a IC like the TDA6120Q. In this monitor VPJ06 video packs are used
. One for each color....



Read this for people who wanna know what a video pack is :
http://home.arcor.de/thomasfetzer/Sanjo/SY103A_e.pdf


And almost all the transistors recommended in this Sanyo guide to Ultra Vision CRT monitors are used in the XP37 Xtra.

2Sj306 B+ Chopper, 250V 12A FET for S curve correction and Switching.


I replaced the FET's, the B+ chopper Fet and now i have a S curve FET that's short.
 

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I keep having futuristic CRT TV's in my dreams. Somehow I know for sure that CRT TV's will come back into the production line sometime in my lifetime. Whatever it will be 1 year from now or 30 years from now. I hope that CRT TV's will come back into the production line soon.
 

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CRT is still the norm in asian countries. Almost all of the TV channels are in 4:3 standard definition. Watching this on 50" LCD will make you puke as the image is too blurry.
 

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CRT was great, but honestly, no thanks. I will take my calibrated DLP HD projector ANY day over even the nicest CRT TV.
 

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I am still playing my nes and other video game systems on my 27" RCA Flatscreen Tube TV. My Tube TV is now 4 years old, working great. I hope that CRT TV's will go back into the production line before my tv gives out and it's unfixable.
 

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We still have four CRT Monitors in our facility (not counting the old, odd NTSC TV sets....mostly 13" or smaller, with ATSC Converters on them).


Three CRT Monitors are used in the Camera Control area, where checking color balance and detail are critical. The other one is a standard-definition unit, which is in Engineering, and is used to judge picture quality from SD sources, and monitoring quality of return feeds.


The LCD's, Plasma's, etc still have a way to go before they can beat a CRT, and do it at an affordable price.
 

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I have a Sony Kv36HS500 with 12 years old and i will put it side by side with any led or lcd and plasma and so on and will put those to shame.
 

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I just had a CRT TV dream. In the dream. I went inside a huge store. I looked around the store in my dream. Then, I saw all around me plenty of brand new CRT TV's, from 5" to 32" in size. These new TV"s are futuristic standard definition 4:3 aspect ratio CRT TV. Most of these new CRT TV's are curved screen, few were flat screen. Then I looked to see what are the brands of these TV's. I could not read the brands with my eyes in this dream. Then I saw someone that works at this store. I asked her what year is this in my dream She said, "Year 2018 or 2019" Then I woke up. I have 100% confidence that CRT TV's will come back into the production line one day.
 

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Originally Posted by bringbackcrttv  /t/1423003/please-bring-back-crt-tvs-into-the-production-line-again/30#post_22577099


I just had a CRT TV dream. In the dream. I went inside a huge store. I looked around the store in my dream. Then, I saw all around me plenty of brand new CRT TV's, from 5" to 32" in size. These new TV"s are futuristic standard definition 4:3 aspect ratio CRT TV. Most of these new CRT TV's are curved screen, few were flat screen. Then I looked to see what are the brands of these TV's. I could not read the brands with my eyes in this dream. Then I saw someone that works at this store. I asked her what year is this in my dream She said, "Year 2018 or 2019" Then I woke up. I have 100% confidence that CRT TV's will come back into the production line one day.

Just to dream about them is whacky enough but no 16:9 HD's and mostly curved screens?


Did your back hurt when you got up? (i.e. lifting dream CRT's).

 

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Originally Posted by bringbackcrttv  /t/1423003/please-bring-back-crt-tvs-into-the-production-line-again/30#post_22577099


I just had a CRT TV dream. In the dream. I went inside a huge store. I looked around the store in my dream. Then, I saw all around me plenty of brand new CRT TV's, from 5" to 32" in size. These new TV"s are futuristic standard definition 4:3 aspect ratio CRT TV. Most of these new CRT TV's are curved screen, few were flat screen. Then I looked to see what are the brands of these TV's. I could not read the brands with my eyes in this dream. Then I saw someone that works at this store. I asked her what year is this in my dream She said, "Year 2018 or 2019" Then I woke up. I have 100% confidence that CRT TV's will come back into the production line one day.

was there a buggy whip factory in that dream as well?
 

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Mitsubishi made a 80" RP CRT BTW and I know of several factory made 100" and 110" units.


You could custom order larger from others (Barco, Ampro, etc)


They still do make 19" CRT's and multiscan 19" CRT monitors but that will probably stop next year or so. Mainly illegal to import CRT's due to leaded glass except for special use. Still used for industrial and Military where their is still no usable replacement.


I have about 30 in storage for my arcade games and such. Most I got for free or $5-10$. If you store the tube face down so the cathodes do not get contaminates on them the tube should last 100+ years so what is the problem?


Large direct view CRT's greater than about 20" are inferior in all respects to any good flat panel for many reasons. This is why their never were any proofing monitors much bigger than this size even at $50k+ price.


A video processor/transceiver/scaler will handle all of you needs and are very affordable now.
 

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There are still many crt televisions in use throughout the world and parts are still available for many modles.

I repair televisions and I have observed that lcd and plasmas are very expensive to repair,and they seem not

to be as durable as the crt television.
 

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I still think the understanding of what a good picture is can be skewed...


for the most part, resolution is overrated...especially on something like a directview crt. Unscaled 1080i or 720p can be breathtaking...no further resolution required.


Absolute brightness or light output is also overrated...the brighter the image, the more apparent the noise is...and plasma sure is damn noisy!


The noise alone makes it damn near impossible to get immersed in the movie...and total flatscreens with perfect geometry don't give the lifelike feel of a crt. The sense of looking through a window or the suspension of reality...always seem to be better on a crt. I still hold out hope to get a nice immersive plasma..but I just haven't quite found one yet.


I've owned all kinds of crt's...and plasma's...and lcd's. I had the Pioneer 4280 and the noise on the screen was just brutal. lcd's are terrible off angle..and even slightly off angle. Their color rendition is always lacking something too...not sure what, but something.


Although I understand that for 99% of the population, crt is a non starter...and I agree with that. But, there's no point in trying to argue with weirdo's like us..we love what we love.
 
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