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First, i apologize for the long post. So I've read most of the articles that were posted to get slightly familiar with the subject and I'm definitely looking forward to becoming more experienced, but in the meantime I had a quick question. As mentioned in my previous topic, I have the Nanosat Premiere 5.1 system and just purchased an Energy Sub. I've already been told that they aren't great speakers, but I have a relatively small room and will at least try them out with my new sub and receiver before replacing them as they were not cheap when I got them. Anyway, I've been wondering about a few things and wanted to see if I can get some answers before getting my new woofer.


The nanosat website says that the frequency level goes from 110-20k Hz. A lot of sites have said to set the crossover point at the lowest that the speaker can go, which is 110 in my case if I understand correctly. I was just wondering of this stressed the speaker out being at its max, or if 120 may be a better option/make a noticeable difference. after reading quite a few sites it seems to be a general consensus that TYPICALLY setting all speakers at the same crossover across the board. Now from what I understood, the lower number in terms of the Hz able to be produced by the speakers equaled the amount of "bass sound" that the speaker could produce. That's why I figured that if the limit was 110hz to produce the most "bass" then it would be stressing it to put it at flat out 110, no? If not a 110 max crossover point, what are recommendations?


I'm reading and loving the info but just want to verify a few things. I don't want the noise that could be present if i have to set the woofer up to cross at 120 for the little Mirages and it actually hurt the performance of some speakers i just bought (and saw nothing but positive comments for - the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR...) that can actually hit 55hz. If it would be affecting those, i would just switch the crossover to 60-80 for the Pioneers and let the Mirages do their own thing, but i just bought the Pioneer SC-71 receiver and i think you can set each channel separately. Would you do the Mirage ones at 120 and the LCR Pioneers at 60, 70 or 80? I know that the Pioneers aren't the best out there, but again, they got decent-awesome reviews from everywhere that i looked online, they werent expensive, and I can see if I hear a difference...enough to pursue even better options. Mind you, the room I'm trying to do is a basement with the Mirages in the ceiling creating an area between the of about 15'x15', so I'm sure i wont be blasting them, but looking to hear a difference in performance. Also, I'm in a basement that HAS open space to the left and behind my listening area, so if worse comes to worse and you think it'd be dumb to try to set it up in that space i can always expand the distance on the sides of the tv with the LR speakers. I figure that if i don't like them, i can always send them back or use them for surrounds. What do you think about The scenario as a whole??


Finally, if my Mirage ones have a max of 110 and I set them at 120 crossover, the sub would obviously take over there. Does any speech in movies use those frequencies that would disappear due to the high crossover at 120? The same for the center speakers since i believe alot of vocals come out of them....could crossover cut out vocals? Thank you for any advice on this exhausting topic lol...
 

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... I have the Nanosat Premiere 5.1 system and just purchased an Energy Sub. ... I have a relatively small room and will at least try them out with my new sub and receiver before replacing them ...


The nanosat website says that the frequency level goes from 110-20k Hz. A lot of sites have said to set the crossover point at the lowest that the speaker can go, which is 110 in my case if I understand correctly. I was just wondering of this stressed the speaker out being at its max, or if 120 may be a better option/make a noticeable difference.
The specs say the -3dB point is 110Hz, but since a crossover is not a fixed point, but a slope, you might be better off setting the crossover to 120Hz or 130Hz.
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... I don't want the noise that could be present if i have to set the woofer up to cross at 120 for the little Mirages and it actually hurt the performance of some speakers i just bought (and saw nothing but positive comments for - the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR...) that can actually hit 55hz. If it would be affecting those, i would just switch the crossover to 60-80 for the Pioneers and let the Mirages do their own thing, but i just bought the Pioneer SC-71 receiver and i think you can set each channel separately. Would you do the Mirage ones at 120 and the LCR Pioneers at 60, 70 or 80?
I'd do the Nanosats at 120Hz or 130Hz, and the L-C-R Pioneers at 80Hz.
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Finally, if my Mirage ones have a max of 110 and I set them at 120 crossover, the sub would obviously take over there. Does any speech in movies use those frequencies that would disappear due to the high crossover at 120? The same for the center speakers since i believe alot of vocals come out of them....could crossover cut out vocals? ...
If I understand this correctly, you don't have a Pioneer CC speaker, and you're planning to use a Nanosat for CC duty? If that's the case, IMO, don't. You could do it, and any audio below the CC crossover of 120Hz would simply go to the sub, but your front soundfield would be compromised by having Pioneers for L & R main duty and a Nanosat in between.


If you do try it and you don't mind how it sounds, keep using it.


But, IMO, you should go with a "phantom" center (i.e., no actual speaker, just some audio processing by the AVR to simulate a CC speaker) until you can afford to get a proper Pioneer CC speaker in place.


Just my 2¢...
 

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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck  /t/1522409/please-please-help-with-setup#post_24478344


The specs say the -3dB point is 110Hz, but since a crossover is not a fixed point, but a slope, you might be better off setting the crossover to 120Hz or 130Hz.

I'd do the Nanosats at 120Hz or 130Hz, and the L-C-R Pioneers at 80Hz.

If I understand this correctly, you don't have a Pioneer CC speaker, and you're planning to use a Nanosat for CC duty? If that's the case, IMO, don't. You could do it, and any audio below the CC crossover of 120Hz would simply go to the sub, but your front soundfield would be compromised by having Pioneers for L & R main duty and a Nanosat in between.


If you do try it and you don't mind how it sounds, keep using it.


But, IMO, you should go with a "phantom" center (i.e., no actual speaker, just some audio processing by the AVR to simulate a CC speaker) until you can afford to get a proper Pioneer CC speaker in place.


Just my 2¢...

Thank you for responding. Sorry for not being clear, but i did get the Pioneer SP-C22 center speaker. I'm realizing that what I asked was a dumb question since i suppose all vocals will be coming from the front 3 speakers..
 
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